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locked Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

If I start a new thread via email, I'm not receiving a copy back in my mail after it passes through the group.

Some members are getting theirs when they send a message, but I am not.

Trish


locked No new threads from Inbox

Frances
 

I just realized that I can't start a new thread from the Inbox. I can only reply by clicking on a message. I have to go to the specific group to post a new message. Not a problem, I guess, but I hope this doesn't mean our groups will get inundated with off-topic emails on threads! A concern or needless nit-picking?!


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

Are you talking about the files that go out to pending members or are you talking about approving pending members?

These are Member Notices, which are files that get sent out to:
Welcome 
Pending 
Goodbye 
Banned

All can be modified to suit your group's info/needs.

Trish

​​


On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish, but I don’t think we are talking about the same thing.  If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group settings (who can do what).  That’s not what I am talking about. 

 

When we have a member join the group, they are pended.  Also at that time, a message is automatically sent to them under the Pended category requesting information.  Another options is a letter goes out to welcome them when they are approved, another if they are denied, etc.  These various messages do not go out to everyone nor do they go out weekly/monthly, etc.  Just the one time to that particular individual. 

 

I don’t see anything like that when I click on the Setting option. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:34 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 


 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish.  I don’t have  a group set up so I can’t check it out.  If it does what I mentioned below, then I’m happy. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

 

Trish

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

 



locked Group transfer - Google Groups

Frances
 

Hi Mark

Any thoughts on this?


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

My note did not look like this when I sent it. Each one of the steps I took were on separate lines. Is this because I am replying from Outlook and it is set to HTML?

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Faulkner [mailto:jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:49 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

Shal, I thought I did and I still get the list I referred to. Here's what I did On the group, I clicked the Setting button on the left When I scroll down it shows Moderated, Restricted, etc.
I then clicked Member Notices at the top and it shows a welcome message I clicked Update Notices at the bottom and it looks like I get basically the same options as above.
I also clicked on all of the down arrows

I'm lost. I don't see any place where I can pick when pended, when approve, when denied, etc. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.


Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:18 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.,

> If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group > settings (who can do what). That’s not what I am talking about.

There's more than one tab on the Settings page. Click "Member Notices"
near the top center.

-- Shal


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.
 

You don’t know that, people amaze me every day.  LOL

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:35 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Cc: Duane
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

 

"Chris, I’m really confused by your statement that Yahoo Groups has dropped the database feature." - I confused "ruining" the feature with removing it.

 

"Example: on my group, I have a table where members provide information about their location, machine they have, software they have and email.  Then all members can check to see if there is anyone in their area that they can contact to get more help with their machines, etc." - a Google Spreadsheet could handle this use case.

 

"They will say forget it!  They will just unsubscribe like a large number of members did when Neo came about." - it is the responsibility of admins to educate their users (or alternatively, to decide no to).

 

Regardless, a large number of people who left Yahoo groups aren't going to come back, even if Groups.io was a perfect replica. 

 

On 27 January 2015 at 13:20, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:



Thanks for the advice, I already did this towards the end of last year.


Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/


I really appreciate your sharing these insights with me, you are very knowledgable about these matters.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
http://workface.com/e/daviddillard

Net-Gold
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/net-gold
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/net-gold.html
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/archives
http://net-gold.3172864.n2.nabble.com/

Research Guides
https://sites.google.com/site/researchguidesonsites/


RESEARCH PAPER WRITING
http://guides.temple.edu/research-papers
EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-guide
INTERNSHIPS
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-internships
HOSPITALITY
http://guides.temple.edu/hospitality-guide
DISABILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/c.php?g=134557
INDOOR GARDENING
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IndoorGardeningUrban/info
Educator-Gold
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Educator-Gold/
K12ADMINLIFE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K12AdminLIFE/

PUBLIC HEALTH RESOURCES INCLUDING EBOLA
http://guides.temple.edu/public-health-guide

Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/

The Russell Conwell Learning Center Research Guide:
Information Literacy
http://tinyurl.com/78a4shn

Nina Dillard's Photographs on Net-Gold
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neemers/

Twitter: davidpdillard

Temple University Site Map
https://sites.google.com/site/templeunivsitemap/home

Bushell, R. & Sheldon, P. (eds),
Wellness and Tourism: Mind, Body, Spirit,
Place, New York: Cognizant Communication Books.
Wellness Tourism: Bibliographic and Webliographic Essay
David P. Dillard
http://tinyurl.com/p63whl

RailTram Discussion Group
From the Union Pacific to BritRail and Beyond
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/railtram/info

INDOOR GARDENING
Improve Your Chances for Indoor Gardening Success
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndoorGardeningUrban/

SPORT-MED
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/sport-med.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sports-med/
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/sport-med.html

HEALTH DIET FITNESS RECREATION SPORTS TOURISM
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/healthrecsport/info
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/health-recreation-sports-tourism.html


On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Duane wrote:

David,

For your use, I would think a Wordpress/blog/Wiki type site would work best..  It could contain a link to your group, but would always be available to the public.  You could also have a link on your group home page pointing to the other site, if needed/wanted.

Duane









 


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Shal, I thought I did and I still get the list I referred to. Here's what I did
On the group, I clicked the Setting button on the left
When I scroll down it shows Moderated, Restricted, etc.
I then clicked Member Notices at the top and it shows a welcome message
I clicked Update Notices at the bottom and it looks like I get basically the same options as above.
I also clicked on all of the down arrows

I'm lost. I don't see any place where I can pick when pended, when approve, when denied, etc. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.


Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:18 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.,

> If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group > settings (who can do what). That’s not what I am talking about.

There's more than one tab on the Settings page. Click "Member Notices"
near the top center.

-- Shal


locked Re: Home Page Formatting #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Maybe I should rephrase my previous statement. I don't think a lot of the extra stuff, should be on the homepage. I think a description of the group, what is allowed and isn't type stuff and of course the various group email addresses.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Faulkner [mailto:jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:17 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Re: Home Page Formatting #Suggestions

I agree Duane. A lot of groups have the basic group rules, such as if advertising is allowed, what the group is about. I don't think a lot of that stuff should be there either.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:59 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Home Page Formatting #Suggestions

Chris,

That all depends on the users and the group. I'd rather not have Top Posters (nor Recent Photos when implemented) shown on the page visible to the public like it is now. If it was a public group, I wouldn't mind so much. I think the ultimate solution would be for which items are displayed to be controlled by the group owner. Maybe a limited subset could be configurable. I would think that Group Description, Group Settings, and Group Email Addresses should always be shown. Message History was also a concern for a lot of Yahoo group owners to indicate activity. Top Hashtags could go either way.

For me, the group home page is a very temporary stop, if I see it at all. I've got bookmarks to the archives/messages set up for most of them. I want it to have enough information to entice folks to join, but not so much that it looks cluttered.

Duane


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

"Chris, I’m really confused by your statement that Yahoo Groups has dropped the database feature." - I confused "ruining" the feature with removing it.

"Example: on my group, I have a table where members provide information about their location, machine they have, software they have and email.  Then all members can check to see if there is anyone in their area that they can contact to get more help with their machines, etc." - a Google Spreadsheet could handle this use case.

"They will say forget it!  They will just unsubscribe like a large number of members did when Neo came about." - it is the responsibility of admins to educate their users (or alternatively, to decide no to).

Regardless, a large number of people who left Yahoo groups aren't going to come back, even if Groups.io was a perfect replica. 

On 27 January 2015 at 13:20, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:


Thanks for the advice, I already did this towards the end of last year.


Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/


I really appreciate your sharing these insights with me, you are very knowledgable about these matters.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
http://workface.com/e/daviddillard

Net-Gold
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/net-gold
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/net-gold.html
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/archives
http://net-gold.3172864.n2.nabble.com/

Research Guides
https://sites.google.com/site/researchguidesonsites/


RESEARCH PAPER WRITING
http://guides.temple.edu/research-papers
EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-guide
INTERNSHIPS
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-internships
HOSPITALITY
http://guides.temple.edu/hospitality-guide
DISABILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/c.php?g=134557
INDOOR GARDENING
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IndoorGardeningUrban/info
Educator-Gold
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Educator-Gold/
K12ADMINLIFE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K12AdminLIFE/

PUBLIC HEALTH RESOURCES INCLUDING EBOLA
http://guides.temple.edu/public-health-guide

Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/

The Russell Conwell Learning Center Research Guide:
Information Literacy
http://tinyurl.com/78a4shn

Nina Dillard's Photographs on Net-Gold
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neemers/

Twitter: davidpdillard

Temple University Site Map
https://sites.google.com/site/templeunivsitemap/home

Bushell, R. & Sheldon, P. (eds),
Wellness and Tourism: Mind, Body, Spirit,
Place, New York: Cognizant Communication Books.
Wellness Tourism: Bibliographic and Webliographic Essay
David P. Dillard
http://tinyurl.com/p63whl

RailTram Discussion Group
From the Union Pacific to BritRail and Beyond
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/railtram/info

INDOOR GARDENING
Improve Your Chances for Indoor Gardening Success
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndoorGardeningUrban/

SPORT-MED
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/sport-med.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sports-med/
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/sport-med.html

HEALTH DIET FITNESS RECREATION SPORTS TOURISM
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/healthrecsport/info
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/health-recreation-sports-tourism.html


On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Duane wrote:

David,

For your use, I would think a Wordpress/blog/Wiki type site would work best..  It could contain a link to your group, but would always be available to the public.  You could also have a link on your group home page pointing to the other site, if needed/wanted.

Duane













locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Judy F.
 

Mark, hopefully you understand you are human and you can make mistakes.  I’m amazed at how well you are handling all of these I like this, I don’t like this messages. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:15 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

 

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:


Nightmare scenario I'm sure. 

 

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group.

 

I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry.

 

 

Mark

 


locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Duane, everything you said is good and on my wishlist also. One thing you didn't mention was giving the owner/moderator of the group ability to remove or edit photos. The editing should also be allowed for the owner of the photo. No other member can edit or delete another member's photos.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 11:01 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

My wishlist for a Photos section:

1. When photos are uploaded, "resize" them for online use. Many folks use the highest resolution and number of colors when taking pictures. These aren't needed for screen viewing, only for full size printing. I've had people email me photos at 4320x3240, 600 dpi, 32 million colors with a file size well over 3 MB when a file that was resampled to 35-50 KB would have worked as well. (not sure if it's feasible, but check for file type and not allow photos to be uploaded to the Files area.)

2. Sub-albums would be nice. I see it as having an album for each member, though not required, and having sub-albums for specific items.

3. I'd like each member to be able to use their own album/sub, but also be able to add to a general group album/sub when needed.

4. Title and description for each photo.

5. Allow owner/moderator to move photos (and files) as needed to maintain the intended layout of the group. Ownership of the file should be maintained by the person that uploaded it.

6. Comments, photostream, rating, and other options aren't currently important to me, but I can see how they could be useful.

Duane


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

David P. Dillard
 

Thanks for the advice, I already did this towards the end of last year.


Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/


I really appreciate your sharing these insights with me, you are very knowledgable about these matters.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu
http://workface.com/e/daviddillard

Net-Gold
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/net-gold
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/net-gold.html
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/archives
http://net-gold.3172864.n2.nabble.com/

Research Guides
https://sites.google.com/site/researchguidesonsites/


RESEARCH PAPER WRITING
http://guides.temple.edu/research-papers
EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-guide
INTERNSHIPS
http://guides.temple.edu/employment-internships
HOSPITALITY
http://guides.temple.edu/hospitality-guide
DISABILITIES AND EMPLOYMENT
http://guides.temple.edu/c.php?g=134557
INDOOR GARDENING
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/IndoorGardeningUrban/info
Educator-Gold
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Educator-Gold/
K12ADMINLIFE
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K12AdminLIFE/

PUBLIC HEALTH RESOURCES INCLUDING EBOLA
http://guides.temple.edu/public-health-guide

Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/

The Russell Conwell Learning Center Research Guide:
Information Literacy
http://tinyurl.com/78a4shn

Nina Dillard's Photographs on Net-Gold
http://www.flickr.com/photos/neemers/

Twitter: davidpdillard

Temple University Site Map
https://sites.google.com/site/templeunivsitemap/home

Bushell, R. & Sheldon, P. (eds),
Wellness and Tourism: Mind, Body, Spirit,
Place, New York: Cognizant Communication Books.
Wellness Tourism: Bibliographic and Webliographic Essay
David P. Dillard
http://tinyurl.com/p63whl

RailTram Discussion Group
From the Union Pacific to BritRail and Beyond
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/railtram/info

INDOOR GARDENING
Improve Your Chances for Indoor Gardening Success
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndoorGardeningUrban/

SPORT-MED
https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/sport-med.html
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sports-med/
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/sport-med.html

HEALTH DIET FITNESS RECREATION SPORTS TOURISM
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/healthrecsport/info
http://listserv.temple.edu/archives/health-recreation-sports-tourism.html

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Duane wrote:

David,

For your use, I would think a Wordpress/blog/Wiki type site would work best. It could contain a link to your group, but would always be available to the public. You could also have a link on your group home page pointing to the other site, if needed/wanted.

Duane






locked Re: The case for social logins

Judy F.
 

I second this.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: robertgmam@... [mailto:robertgmam@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 10:20 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] The case for social logins

 

I would never use so-called ‘social logins’. If people want that sort of thing, then by all means have it available to them, but don’t let’s all have to suffer it to the exclusion of a proper login. Those of us who abhor social media do not want to go down the road of copying the likes of Google and Facebook. The slide of Yahoo Groups into that sort of thing is exactly why we need a home for our Groups away from Yahoo Neo in the first place!

 

Regards,

Robert.

 

Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:24 PM

Subject: [beta] The case for social logins

 

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.

  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate.


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy F.,

If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group
settings (who can do what). That’s not what I am talking about.
There's more than one tab on the Settings page. Click "Member Notices"
near the top center.

-- Shal


locked Re: Home Page Formatting #suggestion

Judy F.
 

I agree Duane. A lot of groups have the basic group rules, such as if advertising is allowed, what the group is about. I don't think a lot of that stuff should be there either.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:59 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Home Page Formatting #Suggestions

Chris,

That all depends on the users and the group. I'd rather not have Top Posters (nor Recent Photos when implemented) shown on the page visible to the public like it is now. If it was a public group, I wouldn't mind so much. I think the ultimate solution would be for which items are displayed to be controlled by the group owner. Maybe a limited subset could be configurable. I would think that Group Description, Group Settings, and Group Email Addresses should always be shown. Message History was also a concern for a lot of Yahoo group owners to indicate activity. Top Hashtags could go either way.

For me, the group home page is a very temporary stop, if I see it at all. I've got bookmarks to the archives/messages set up for most of them. I want it to have enough information to entice folks to join, but not so much that it looks cluttered.

Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Judy F.
 

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but what does KKT mean?

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurence Taylor [mailto:g7mzh@gmx.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 5:57 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: New Subscription Options

On 23/01/2015 09:52, robertgmam@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

_._,_._,_
KKT?


--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Chris, I’m really confused by your statement that Yahoo Groups has dropped the database feature.  Unless you and I are talking about two different things,  it is still there on the groups I own and moderate.  In fact I just added a new Table as it’s called after you access the database.  Have you clicked the down arrow next to More on the Home Page?   I think it leaves a lot to be desired and is not nearly what it was in the old Yahoo Groups, but it is still there.

 

When you say ‘in most cases the admins maintain (create, etc.) the database table and no edit access to ‘normal’ members is needed’.  Maybe that’s the case with the groups you are a member of, but a large number of the craft type groups which includes embroidery, sewing, quilting, hand crafts, etc. create database tables and ALL of the members have access to them to add whatever type information is needed  for the table.  Example: on my group, I have a table where members provide information about their location, machine they have, software they have and email.  Then all members can check to see if there is anyone in their area that they can contact to get more help with their machines, etc.   Another example is asking for input on what they would like to see in an embroidery design, etc.  You might thing that is only a few groups, you would be surprised. 

 

I could say the same thing about Wiki, I don’t understand it and I feel sure there are lots of members that are not computer savvy that won’t understand it either.    They will say forget it!  They will just unsubscribe like a large number of members did when Neo came about.  That doesn’t mean it should be thrown out, but at least offer something that will give some of us the tools we need and have used in the past.

 

Like I said yesterday, I don’t think anyone is trying to make Groups.io a twin to Yahoo Groups, but when you only have Yahoo Groups to provide examples from, that certainly doesn’t mean you want it to be exactly like that example. 

 

I think Groups.io is really slick and will be great when it is finished.

 

                               

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 7:59 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

 

I agree with Shal. I would be very disappointed if Groups.io became limited by what Yahoo Groups was. Bringing groups over from Yahoo groups would provide a short term boost for the site, but in the longer term Groups.io needs to develop into its own service.

One point worth remembering is that Yahoo Groups made the decision to drop the database feature, presumably based on metrics of its use. Now this doesn't automatically mean that this was a good decision - even if only a small number of groups are affected, perhaps these were some of the most important groups on the site.

However, it's worth considering a few points:

  1. In most cases, the admins maintain the databases, and don't need to provide edit access to normal members. An external service could work well in this scenario.
  2. Yahoo groups doesn't offer the databases feature any more, so Groups.io doesn't necessarily need to offer this feature to convince people to switch over as long as it is better than Yahoo groups in other ways. Groups.io definitely is better in many ways.
  3. Wikis provide much of the same features. If Mark adds features like sorting, then this would close most of the gap. Some people have more trouble adapting to technological change than others, but if they need a feature enough, they are likely to learn how to use it.
  4. Once the feature is added, it needs to be maintained. Further, removing a feature that has been added will annoy a large number of users and reduce the trust of user's who don't even use that feature because a feature that they need may be removed in the future. Therefore, it seems that if a database feature were to be added, it should only be added when it becomes clear that such a feature is necessary. The Wiki will work well for most small groups, larger groups are more likely to need the specific functions of the database. Since there aren't large groups on Groups.io, this need isn't clear.
  5. A generic API would solve this use case and so many others.
  6. Re the alternative of spicing up the Wiki: The ability to sort tables in a Wiki is cool, even there was a separate database feature as well, so the effort of going down this path wouldn't be wasted.

For all these reasons, I'd strongly recommend against implementing a database feature at a current time.


locked Re: Markdown

 

Oh, what fun!

But it would be way cool if I could use markdown in posts by email. I've always been disappointed that text/html won out over text/enriched; the latter would have spared us so many ills. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1896.txt

I wish there was a way (and a semantic meaning) to force my email client to send messages with:

Content-Type: text/markdown

It would totally violate the semantics of text/plain, but I'd even wish for an ad-hoc marker I could use to designate my message body as text/markdown. Maybe a marker in the Subject or To field? What else can I control?

-- Shal


locked Re: Interesting - along with Brenda & Shal's cross-group posting, another oddity

 

On 1/26/2015 5:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Some days you're the feature. Some days you're the bug. frowning
8-)

It's Monday - that you found and fixed a bug on a *Monday* is
an accomplishment. I think that's covered in Programming 101.

dg


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Chris, read the reply I just sent to Trish regarding the scheduled files. 

 

 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 7:29 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Hey,

I'm actually quite curious about the use case for a "scheduled files" feature.

- Chris