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locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

David wrote:>>However one need not fear using the Wiki feature on Groups IO as it works
just like Wordpress and Google Sites, both of which I find very easy to
use for simple text and linked documents.<<

Not me whatsoever. I own The Yahoo Crusade Blog on Wordpress, but I have almost no ability to handle it alone. I had to get editors and etc. I am not able to figure it out on my own, not even after buying a book to help me, called Wordpress For Dummies. If it weren't for my experts, I couldn't maintain it myself.

David wrote:>>One can easily build content on a Word document or its equivalent and
simply paste this preformated content including hyperlinked text and color from the Word document or other source right into the Wiki and it works just fine.<<

Once again, I have no idea how to do that. And I don't have the kind of time I used to have in my life to explore how Wordpress and wiki works. But I know how to use a database, like many others, and that's what we need in order to be able to relocate many many Yahoo groups to IO.

Brenda


locked Bookmark URLS changed

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

I had to redo my group message bookmarks, is that because of what you did to change it from archives to messages?

No worries, just wanted to make sure I didn't do something dumb to mess them up.

Thanks

Brenda


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Laurence,

This would have to be at the option of the recipient, as people might
not be in a position to do that.
Agreed. See the last paragraph here:
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/347

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

OK Shal, I'm with you now! Sometimes it takes a while. Is it possible to
get Denial added?

Thanks to both you and Trish for your help.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 1:38 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.

On the group, I clicked the Setting button on the left
Correct.

When I scroll down it shows Moderated, Restricted, etc.
Pointless.

I then clicked Member Notices at the top and it shows a welcome
message
Correct.

But not just Welcome (when someone joins your group) but also tabs for:
Pending Subscription (restricted groups only), Goodbye (someone leaves your
group), and Banned (you ban someone).

The tabs are clearly shown in Trish's screen shots (Message #1243 & #1314).
"Welcome" is on the left of the row, "Banned" is on the right.

I clicked Update Notices at the bottom and it looks like I get
basically the same options as above.
That button saves the text you entered into the text entry box above the
button (and below the row of tabs).

I also clicked on all of the down arrows
I don't know what you mean by that.

I'm lost. I don't see any place where I can pick when pended, when
approve, when denied, etc. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.
I'm baffled that you're lost. You must be expecting to see something
different and not recognizing what's there.

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy F.

On the group, I clicked the Setting button on the left
Correct.

When I scroll down it shows Moderated, Restricted, etc.
Pointless.

I then clicked Member Notices at the top and it shows a welcome message
Correct.

But not just Welcome (when someone joins your group) but also tabs for:
Pending Subscription (restricted groups only),
Goodbye (someone leaves your group), and
Banned (you ban someone).

The tabs are clearly shown in Trish's screen shots (Message #1243 & #1314). "Welcome" is on the left of the row, "Banned" is on the right.

I clicked Update Notices at the bottom and it looks like I get basically
the same options as above.
That button saves the text you entered into the text entry box above the button (and below the row of tabs).

I also clicked on all of the down arrows
I don't know what you mean by that.

I'm lost. I don't see any place where I can pick when pended, when
approve, when denied, etc. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.
I'm baffled that you're lost. You must be expecting to see something different and not recognizing what's there.

-- Shal


locked Re: Lightweight "integrations" - link only #suggestion

 

Chris,

An interesting question - should there be some visual indication that
certain links are external services so that user's know they are going
off-site?
Absolutely. That's why I suggested that the icon for such integrations could be the same sort of stylized page and arrow that signifies going "off-site" on Wikipedia. But maybe that alone is too subtle.

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Trish, I think I replied to you about this earlier today.  We have messages that need to go out for various reasons to a specific person for a specific reason.  This is not the weekly, monthly  messages.  We  send one out when a member joins and is pended.  That message asks for information to be returned.  Once I approve a member, then another message goes out welcoming them.  If I deny a pended request, another message goes out.   All of these are scheduled under various categories

Pending

Denied

Joined 

 

These are shown in Yahoo groups Control Panel/Notifications.

 

Note: I just uploaded a file in the shaltest group and nowhere do I see where I can select a scheduled option such as Joined. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 10:04 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

Are you talking about the files that go out to pending members or are you talking about approving pending members?

 

These are Member Notices, which are files that get sent out to:

Welcome 

Pending 

Goodbye 

Banned

 

All can be modified to suit your group's info/needs.

 

Trish

 

​​

 

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish, but I don’t think we are talking about the same thing.  If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group settings (who can do what).  That’s not what I am talking about. 

 

When we have a member join the group, they are pended.  Also at that time, a message is automatically sent to them under the Pended category requesting information.  Another options is a letter goes out to welcome them when they are approved, another if they are denied, etc.  These various messages do not go out to everyone nor do they go out weekly/monthly, etc.  Just the one time to that particular individual. 

 

I don’t see anything like that when I click on the Setting option. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:34 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 


 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish.  I don’t have  a group set up so I can’t check it out.  If it does what I mentioned below, then I’m happy. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

 

Trish

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

 

 


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

On 1/26/2015 8:28 PM, David P. Dillard wrote:

This has nothing to do with Groups.IO. It is yet another delightful
feature of Gmail, don't go to Hades without it. Temple University has a
corporate Gmail account for its students staff and faculty. Gmail in
the infinite wisdom of Herr Google has determined that though shalt not
find emails that thou sendeth in thine Inbox for if thou sentest the
email thou shouldest know what it looketh like. Such great wisdom,
wasted on email when such brilliance could be solving the world's
problems. Sad.
Only if you use the Gmail Web interface.

If you use a *real* email client - Thunderbird, for
example (because that's what I use), they have a POP
server - and if you use another email to get ggroup
email at a different address, it gets delivered
individually, including your own, the way any
listserver software works.

dg


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

David P. Dillard
 

My preference is to block this feature for all email providers so that members of any GroupIO group get the mail they sent back as evidence there posts were sent to members by the list server.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:28 PM, David P. Dillard <jwne@temple.edu> wrote:

This has nothing to do with Groups.IO.  It is yet another delightful feature of Gmail, don't go to Hades without it. 
Temple University has a corporate Gmail account for its students staff and faculty.  Gmail in the infinite wisdom of
Herr Google has determined that though shalt not find emails that thou sendeth in thine Inbox for if thou sentest the
email thou shouldest know what it looketh like.  Such great wisdom, wasted on email when such brilliance could be
solving the world's problems.  Sad.
Many email providers do this. I used to think there was nothing I could do to circumvent this, but in the course of building
support for edited messages, I found a way, and it's not difficult. If there's demand, I could add this feature. Would you want
this on a per-subscription basis, or for all your subscriptions?
Mark 


locked Re: No new threads from Inbox

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 7:05 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
I just realized that I can't start a new thread from the Inbox. I can only reply by clicking on a message. I have to go to the specific group to post a new message. Not a problem, I guess, but I hope this doesn't mean our groups will get inundated with off-topic emails on threads! A concern or needless nit-picking?!
_._,_._,_
A real concern, not a nit-pick. It's on the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:28 PM, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:

This has nothing to do with Groups.IO.  It is yet another delightful feature of Gmail, don't go to Hades without it.  Temple University has a corporate Gmail account for its students staff and faculty.  Gmail in the infinite wisdom of Herr Google has determined that though shalt not find emails that thou sendeth in thine Inbox for if thou sentest the email thou shouldest know what it looketh like.  Such great wisdom, wasted on email when such brilliance could be solving the world's problems.  Sad.


Many email providers do this. I used to think there was nothing I could do to circumvent this, but in the course of building support for edited messages, I found a way, and it's not difficult. If there's demand, I could add this feature. Would you want this on a per-subscription basis, or for all your subscriptions?


Mark 


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

David P. Dillard
 

This has nothing to do with Groups.IO. It is yet another delightful feature of Gmail, don't go to Hades without it. Temple University has a corporate Gmail account for its students staff and faculty. Gmail in the infinite wisdom of Herr Google has determined that though shalt not find emails that thou sendeth in thine Inbox for if thou sentest the email thou shouldest know what it looketh like. Such great wisdom, wasted on email when such brilliance could be solving the world's problems. Sad.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:

If I start a new thread via email, I'm not receiving a copy back in my mail after it passes through the group.
Some members are getting theirs when they send a message, but I am not.
Trish


locked Re: Markdown

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 6:13 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Oh, what fun!

Glad you like it!
 

But it would be way cool if I could use markdown in posts by email. I've always been disappointed that text/html won out over text/enriched; the latter would have spared us so many ills. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1896.txt

I have been baffled for quite some time as to why Markdown isn't supported officially in email. I think it's perfectly suited for conversations, certainly much more so than HTML.

I went with adding a 'markup=markdown' parameter, as outlined here:


So, at least Markdown emails sent using MailMate should work. I found no other ideas/suggestions for how to support Markdown in email.

I'm open to suggestions. A special subject hashtag? First line of the message be some sort of special phrase?

Mark


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

monamouroui
 

If you want a copy you have to send it from the groups webpage (or maybe from a third party app like the one I'm using). Gmail won't add duplicate messages when emailed from Gmail. So even though it appears to come from the group, Gmail knows it came from you and that message is already in your archives. So it cannot duplicate it.

It's a pain in the butt, but I understand the logic behind it.

Sara

Sent from Blue Mail

On Jan 26, 2015, at 10:10 PM, "pnrfan@..." <pnrfan@...> wrote:
If I start a new thread via email, I'm not receiving a copy back in my mail after it passes through the group.

Some members are getting theirs when they send a message, but I am not.

Trish


locked Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

If I start a new thread via email, I'm not receiving a copy back in my mail after it passes through the group.

Some members are getting theirs when they send a message, but I am not.

Trish


locked No new threads from Inbox

Frances
 

I just realized that I can't start a new thread from the Inbox. I can only reply by clicking on a message. I have to go to the specific group to post a new message. Not a problem, I guess, but I hope this doesn't mean our groups will get inundated with off-topic emails on threads! A concern or needless nit-picking?!


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

Are you talking about the files that go out to pending members or are you talking about approving pending members?

These are Member Notices, which are files that get sent out to:
Welcome 
Pending 
Goodbye 
Banned

All can be modified to suit your group's info/needs.

Trish

​​


On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish, but I don’t think we are talking about the same thing.  If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group settings (who can do what).  That’s not what I am talking about. 

 

When we have a member join the group, they are pended.  Also at that time, a message is automatically sent to them under the Pended category requesting information.  Another options is a letter goes out to welcome them when they are approved, another if they are denied, etc.  These various messages do not go out to everyone nor do they go out weekly/monthly, etc.  Just the one time to that particular individual. 

 

I don’t see anything like that when I click on the Setting option. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:34 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 


 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish.  I don’t have  a group set up so I can’t check it out.  If it does what I mentioned below, then I’m happy. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

 

Trish

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

 



locked Group transfer - Google Groups

Frances
 

Hi Mark

Any thoughts on this?


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

My note did not look like this when I sent it. Each one of the steps I took were on separate lines. Is this because I am replying from Outlook and it is set to HTML?

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Faulkner [mailto:jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:49 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

Shal, I thought I did and I still get the list I referred to. Here's what I did On the group, I clicked the Setting button on the left When I scroll down it shows Moderated, Restricted, etc.
I then clicked Member Notices at the top and it shows a welcome message I clicked Update Notices at the bottom and it looks like I get basically the same options as above.
I also clicked on all of the down arrows

I'm lost. I don't see any place where I can pick when pended, when approve, when denied, etc. I'm sure it's there, but I can't find it.


Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:18 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.,

> If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group > settings (who can do what). That’s not what I am talking about.

There's more than one tab on the Settings page. Click "Member Notices"
near the top center.

-- Shal


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.
 

You don’t know that, people amaze me every day.  LOL

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:35 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Cc: Duane
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

 

"Chris, I’m really confused by your statement that Yahoo Groups has dropped the database feature." - I confused "ruining" the feature with removing it.

 

"Example: on my group, I have a table where members provide information about their location, machine they have, software they have and email.  Then all members can check to see if there is anyone in their area that they can contact to get more help with their machines, etc." - a Google Spreadsheet could handle this use case.

 

"They will say forget it!  They will just unsubscribe like a large number of members did when Neo came about." - it is the responsibility of admins to educate their users (or alternatively, to decide no to).

 

Regardless, a large number of people who left Yahoo groups aren't going to come back, even if Groups.io was a perfect replica. 

 

On 27 January 2015 at 13:20, David P. Dillard <jwne@...> wrote:



Thanks for the advice, I already did this towards the end of last year.


Blog
https://educatorgold.wordpress.com/


I really appreciate your sharing these insights with me, you are very knowledgable about these matters.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...
http://workface.com/e/daviddillard

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On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Duane wrote:

David,

For your use, I would think a Wordpress/blog/Wiki type site would work best..  It could contain a link to your group, but would always be available to the public.  You could also have a link on your group home page pointing to the other site, if needed/wanted.

Duane