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locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

RS
 

That brings up an interesting thought:
 
What about a "sales" page/feature that not only works like you describe but also integrates with services like paypal (if you are daring, maybe even bitcoin).  Paypal integration could also allow people to donate to a non-profit group, or just help keep the premium group funding going.  Money transactions going through the product does get much trickier I'm sure, but why not see about it? 
 
Thanks for the info on how you would use a photo feature.  Just to clarify, I'm personally in favor of anything people need for what they do!  Options are what make a service great.  Keep them coming!

 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:21 PM
From: "J. Faulkner" <jfaulkner44@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

I moderate a buying and selling group that uses photos to show what item they are selling.  I have a requirement that I think is pretty much just the opposite of some of yours. 

 

1) we need two lines like Yahoo has now when you click Edit to provide information about the item and also the email address of the person selling the item.

2) no comments.  So if this could be turned off for the group that would solve that problem.  Our members contact the seller directly  so the photo is more or less just for viewing

3) an easy way for the seller to delete the photo if the item sells

4) photos do not need to be approved by a moderator

5) option to show latest posted photos first. 

6) currently Yahoo has a Photostream.  If we have something similar to this (in addition to the various albums) but have the information that was added to the photos that would be great

7) we use various albums and create new albums each month.  At all times we have the current month albums and the previous month.  Allow the naming convention to have the previous months albums below the current month.  I do that now by having an asterisk space before the album name for the current month and only the album name for the previous month. 

 

Note:  there are a lot of embroidery/sewing/quilting groups that use the photos basically the same way also.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: dalemonator@... [mailto:dalemonator@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

 

 

Some things I would like to see in a photos feature:

 

  • Ability to create albums (possibly with a cover photo).
  • Navigation through an album with a left/right button on each side of the photo.  Not only current style, but also most easily mobile compatible.  Style isn't critical to me personally though. 
  • Ability to add a title and description to each photo. 
  • Ability to hashtag a photo, perhaps in a special section rather than the title or description.
  • Ability to comment on photos and reply to comments.  As I picture it, these would not go to the group or archives, but remain on the photos section.  Mods would be able to edit or delete these, as with any other content.  I guess you wouldn't need a description section if the comments idea could work.  Just add the first comment when you post it.  Comments either would not show up in the Navigator view I mentioned above, or else perhaps show up on the side Facebook style (I know, I know, FB bad ;) ).  Enable an option either way when creating the album maybe? 
  • Ability to rate photos with stars (1-4 or 5), thumbs (+/-), likes (+ only) or votes (#+/-), as the (mod/creator of the album) prefers. 
  • Ability to flag a photo as inappropriate.  This would notify the owner and designated mods, so that a review of the item can be made, and it can be removed/blocked if it violates group policies.  The flag would otherwise be invisible to other users so as not to provoke issues between members.  Mods would be able to see who flagged the picture.

That's all I have for now, what would you like to see in a photo section?

 

 
 


locked Discussion

RS
 

Profiles is an area I had a couple thought in as well. I don't think of this as a high priority area to work on, but while my mind is on it, I thought I would share.

To start off with, I should say I am perfectly happy with the way they are now.  Less is more.  However, some folks may feel differently.  I can think of a couple of permutations of this off top.

Some folks may want to share their info with the communities they are part of.  While I think there is a strong sentiment out there that email groups differ from a social network, and are not meant in the same vein, I think more options are never a bad thing, and for those that want a more robust profile, why not offer it as an option?

Another aspect of this thought is that even with the minimalist profile that exists today, some folks may wish to be more private and not share which groups they are part of.  Stalking and harassment are very real online, and folks deserve to protect their anonymity on any service these days.  Along these same lines, people who do want to share profile info may only want to share certain things about themselves with certain groups,  Managing all your various data points on a group by group basis doesn't sound very practical to me though.

However, I think if you had the ability to create Alias Profiles which stood as a "mask" for your Main Profile in regards to a specific group, this would be a lot easier to manage.  Then when you subscribe to a group (and at any point after) you could choose to be seen in that group using your chosen Alias Profile instead.  This way you control your sharing per group without having to manage which item goes where on each field and complicate your Main Profile.  Just make one you want for the group(s) you prefer. 

Another application of this would be to be able to make characters for RPGs.  Adds to the feel of the group if you can create an in-character persona for people to view.  Granted, a wiki works for that as well, but folks could then easily re-use one in a second group without the need to copy paste.

Of course the email stays the same if the user changes profiles, so there's not true anonymity, but people clicking on the person could only get as deep as the user decides.

Just a couple thoughts.  Like I say, low on my own list of priorities, but for those inclined to discuss the feature, these were a couple of "drive home" thoughts.

-Tyger



locked Re: Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

Judy F.
 

I moderate a buying and selling group that uses photos to show what item they are selling.  I have a requirement that I think is pretty much just the opposite of some of yours. 

 

1) we need two lines like Yahoo has now when you click Edit to provide information about the item and also the email address of the person selling the item.

2) no comments.  So if this could be turned off for the group that would solve that problem.  Our members contact the seller directly  so the photo is more or less just for viewing

3) an easy way for the seller to delete the photo if the item sells

4) photos do not need to be approved by a moderator

5) option to show latest posted photos first. 

6) currently Yahoo has a Photostream.  If we have something similar to this (in addition to the various albums) but have the information that was added to the photos that would be great

7) we use various albums and create new albums each month.  At all times we have the current month albums and the previous month.  Allow the naming convention to have the previous months albums below the current month.  I do that now by having an asterisk space before the album name for the current month and only the album name for the previous month. 

 

Note:  there are a lot of embroidery/sewing/quilting groups that use the photos basically the same way also.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: dalemonator@... [mailto:dalemonator@...]
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 10:55 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Photos Wishlist Thread #photos #wishlist

 

 

Some things I would like to see in a photos feature:

 

  • Ability to create albums (possibly with a cover photo).
  • Navigation through an album with a left/right button on each side of the photo.  Not only current style, but also most easily mobile compatible.  Style isn't critical to me personally though. 
  • Ability to add a title and description to each photo. 
  • Ability to hashtag a photo, perhaps in a special section rather than the title or description.
  • Ability to comment on photos and reply to comments.  As I picture it, these would not go to the group or archives, but remain on the photos section.  Mods would be able to edit or delete these, as with any other content.  I guess you wouldn't need a description section if the comments idea could work.  Just add the first comment when you post it.  Comments either would not show up in the Navigator view I mentioned above, or else perhaps show up on the side Facebook style (I know, I know, FB bad ;) ).  Enable an option either way when creating the album maybe? 
  • Ability to rate photos with stars (1-4 or 5), thumbs (+/-), likes (+ only) or votes (#+/-), as the (mod/creator of the album) prefers. 
  • Ability to flag a photo as inappropriate.  This would notify the owner and designated mods, so that a review of the item can be made, and it can be removed/blocked if it violates group policies.  The flag would otherwise be invisible to other users so as not to provoke issues between members.  Mods would be able to see who flagged the picture.

That's all I have for now, what would you like to see in a photo section?


locked Re: #suggestion

RS
 

There's an Instagram integration feature available now.  If I understand it right, that would at least alert your group when something new was posted to the Instagram account, I think?  I haven't tried it so I don't know for sure.  A little round-about maybe, but if you try it, let us know how it goes. 
 
Sent: Monday, January 12, 2015 at 8:10 PM
From: Frances <travel@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] #wishlist
Hi

I wondered whether integration would offer us some of the features we wanted - e.g. photos.

Frances



 
 
 


locked Polls Wishlist #suggestion

RS
 

 
Since I brought up polls, here's a couple related ideas.
 
Here's what I'd like to see in a Polls feature:
  • Static "Polls" page/feature, old-school style!  Helps the place feel like home.
  • Email alert option when new polls are created (checkbox option just like you have for files).
  • Anonymous voting option allowable by creator (creator would choose at time of poll creation)
  • Can be closed or deleted by mods, in case creator can't/fails to/leaves/gets banned etc.
  • Start/Stop dates, so polls can open/close at pre-set times, or manually. 
    • Optional announcements and closure warnings (non-archived email messages)
  • Email poll option:
    • Creator would insert a poll in the message (would have to be done from web interface).
    • Email users would then be able to vote via the widget in the e-mail.
    • More crazy talk: text-only vote option, for plain text groups.  Here the reply feature would send a text format email instead.  Another email command option perhaps?  This cart is so far in front of the horse there may be curvature involved in trying to see it, but hey.  Dream big, build what you can.  :)
  • Graphic display rather than just numbers.  Numbers are fine, but a chart looks cooler.  :)
  • Front page visibility ("current polls" section, for example, click on it to view it--like photos are now)
That's all I can think of for now.  What would you want in a polls feature?


locked #suggestion

Frances
 

Hi

I wondered whether integration would offer us some of the features we wanted - e.g. photos.

Frances


locked Photos Wishlist Thread #suggestion

RS
 

 
Some things I would like to see in a photos feature:
 
  • Ability to create albums (possibly with a cover photo).
  • Navigation through an album with a left/right button on each side of the photo.  Not only current style, but also most easily mobile compatible.  Style isn't critical to me personally though. 
  • Ability to add a title and description to each photo. 
  • Ability to hashtag a photo, perhaps in a special section rather than the title or description.
  • Ability to comment on photos and reply to comments.  As I picture it, these would not go to the group or archives, but remain on the photos section.  Mods would be able to edit or delete these, as with any other content.  I guess you wouldn't need a description section if the comments idea could work.  Just add the first comment when you post it.  Comments either would not show up in the Navigator view I mentioned above, or else perhaps show up on the side Facebook style (I know, I know, FB bad ;) ).  Enable an option either way when creating the album maybe? 
  • Ability to rate photos with stars (1-4 or 5), thumbs (+/-), likes (+ only) or votes (#+/-), as the (mod/creator of the album) prefers. 
  • Ability to flag a photo as inappropriate.  This would notify the owner and designated mods, so that a review of the item can be made, and it can be removed/blocked if it violates group policies.  The flag would otherwise be invisible to other users so as not to provoke issues between members.  Mods would be able to see who flagged the picture.
That's all I have for now, what would you like to see in a photo section?


locked Database Wishlist #suggestion

RS
 

 
As I just mentioned, I thought I would start a thread for wishlists that would go with categories of features that may not be out yet.  This one is for Databases.  Please feel free to add your own wishlist items to this thread.  That's what it's for.  @Mark, I know some things may be pie in the sky, but that's why it's a wish list.  I'll be happy with anything even close. 
 
Things I would like to see in a database feature:
  • As unlimited as reasonably possible for field options.  Not asking for GoogleDocs integration or anything, but as many columns as can be allowed in a free service would help some groups.  I thnk the default of 10 was YG standard for years and last I saw commentary many folks found that too few.  Suggest ballpark goal of 20, if possible. 
  • Ability to upload pictures to at least one column (a size or file type limit would seem logical to apply here).  One of my pasttimes on groups was play by email games, and being able to upload small gifs or graphics to a database would let people create ranking systems or awards in a visual way.  Granted, once graphics come to the wiki page, one could do the same there, but databases have their own special characteristics, like being able to sort and filter.  For larger collections of data, this might be crucial for some groups. 
  • Ability to sort and filter columns. XD
  • Exportability as a spreadsheet.  For those groups that use these for address lists, it would be a critical feature.
  • Ability to include hyperlinks in a field.  That way people could make entries and also link to outside sources.  This could also replace the need for a dedicated Links page, so you get a two-fer feature for groups that want Links page.  If you want to get really slick, let people upload a graphic and use that as a link.  OK, so maybe that's crazy talk.  It would be unique though!
  • Ability to import a list or spreadsheet and have it land in a database feature.
  • Ability to insert new columns after creation, in case needs change.
That's all I can think of for now.  What would any of you like to see?
 
 


locked Some more suggestions #suggestion

RS
 

 
I am sure there will soon be a number of additional users joining this group as the word spreads.  In light of that, I am of the opinion a little bit of additional organization will help us and Mark both keep ideas and feedback more easily accessible.  People seem to be embracing the hastags, and I think that's a great way to help keep our ideas easily grabbed my Mark and any team he may have.  I have a couple other suggestions on the process here that might help.  Let me know what you may think of it. 
 
Disclaimer: I don't mean to assume any degree of "official" coordination here.  I do similar coordination of users and technology at work, so I slip into it naturally.  For all I know, one of you wonderful folks will say two sentences after this that makes all my typing irrelevant.  :)  I always bow to the better ideas.  Here I go anyway.
 
Helping Prioritize Most Relevant Features
Obviously, some things are easier to create than others, but as Mark gets more users, more things will be suggested and we may need some way to sort out what is a priority as the group swells beyond what 1 person can be expected to wrangle just by reading threads.  I may be a little premature here, but better to get ahead of a possible issue perhaps?
 
On that subject I had a couple thoughts.
 
1) I see two general features as priority items so far: Photos and Databases.  I know photos is already underway, and see it as a priority because a lot of groups share photos as a reason for their existsance, or otherwise would find it a nice feature to use.  Common, popular, and very useful, nuff said.  I suggest Databases as an equal priority to Photos because we know that Yahoo hosed theirs up, and so many groups are in the market for a new home specifically because of that.  These two features would help increase appeal and get more testers and feedback available sooner.  Local activity groups make a good degree of use of that type feature for things like address lists, etc. so it could be helpful to them right away.  Plus the more reminiscent of our old homes the better. :)  This is not to exclude any things in the works now, or trivialize anyone else's thoughts, just an observation of two features likely to bring the most gains soonest.
 
2) Polls.  Polls I suggest not because I  feel they are as frequently used as the other two features, but because they would make a great feature on a group such as this one, so that Mark can get a quick read on the popularity of certain features that might take a little while to roll out, or compete with demand for other features.  He can also respond to user interest with more frequent updates if he sees something is on fire.  Even if limited to this group as a testbed, it could be a helpful tool.  Personally I would love to see this feature included down the line some day regardless.  It was a nice feature to have.  More on that on a seperate thread though.
 
That's my pitch.  I'll start a wishlist hashtag for these items in the meantime to help collect some of the feedback on each feature in general.  Let me know if you think I'm on the right track, I am just sort of carrying on ideas I had on the way home..  :)
 
No matter what, I could not be happier about this service.  More on that later too.  Over to wiser minds than mine, aka all of you. 
 
-Tyger 
 


locked Jump to the beginning/end

 

I thought I might try reading the last day's messages in this group in expanded view, and just page down while reading them.

The default for expanded view is newest message on top, which doesn't lend itself to this.  No problem, I'll just click the sort button.

That puts me all the way back to page 1, months ago.  And only a few pages are displayed at a time, so I have to click on the rightmost page number, then again, and again, and again, until I finally get to today's messages.  That's not going to be much fun 5 years from now.

So my suggestion is, how about "First Page" "<<" and "Last Page" ">>" buttons on either side, that jump to the beginning or end.  I could have done that, and then backed up a couple of pages to find all of today's messages.

You might also default to most recent page, no matter what the sort order is, but even then, First/Last would sometimes be useful.

Thanks,
JohnF



locked Re: Calendar is live

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,

That's why I wasn't sure if the archives discussion belonged in here or in MMSanctuary. And I wasn't sure if you were okay with me talking to the media about Groups.io. If I could get it done for you, would you be okay with someone doing a story about it?

No worries. And sure, I'd be happy to talk to the media. I do appreciate any and all evangelizing the service! 

I do know my updates need another place, as my group is used to them from me, but I'm working on figuring out how to make another group where they can go read those. Can a sub-group be public archives??

Subgroups cannot have public archives. I don't remember the specific reason I did it that way, although I can see some confusion if a parent group has private archives but the subgroup has public archives.
  

Also, is there actually message quoting enabled yet? If there is, I can't find it when I do my reply.


There is not. It's on the todo list. :-)


Mark 


locked Re: "My posts" view option #suggestion

 

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Perhaps integrate it with something that's already there, such as:

> Message 653, you receive all messages sent to this group.

or even

> You receive all messages sent to this group (#653).

That may not work semantically with some of the other subscription choices, I haven't seen those footers.

Something like that could work. It's a bit more than a tiny change to the code, so for now I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Posting in Expanded Message View

Nightowl >8#
 

Hi Dan,

If you want to continue the discussion on Archives and or media, we should take it to MMSanctuary.

Meanwhile, I really would like Message #'s in expanded view also, that is something I planned to ask for. Maybe even at the top, instead of the bottom, by the date. Just a simple number like #600 not anything extreme.

Also, I know the reply box opens below and you have to scroll down to find it, but I'm coping with that at this time. Not sure if he plans to change that, just ask him.

And keep posting, because that's the way to test a beta site. Post, find bugs, report them, etc.

Brenda


locked Re: Calendar is live

Nightowl >8#
 

Hi Mark,

That's why I wasn't sure if the archives discussion belonged in here or in MMSanctuary. And I wasn't sure if you were okay with me talking to the media about Groups.io. If I could get it done for you, would you be okay with someone doing a story about it?

I do know my updates need another place, as my group is used to them from me, but I'm working on figuring out how to make another group where they can go read those. Can a sub-group be public archives??

Also, is there actually message quoting enabled yet? If there is, I can't find it when I do my reply.

Thanks,

Brenda





locked Posting in Expanded Message View

 

I was reading through the new messages and find that following them in chronological order in Expanded Message View works best for me. (I really think all the different functional possibilities are what makes Groups so unique.) I usually start in compact Message view and note the message number where I left off. When I change to Expanded, the view takes me to the top and I scroll back down. Can the message number also show up in Expanded View so I know how far down I need to go?

Also, when I click on reply it seemed to jump to the top again. I may have done something wrong, but it seems that the view should stay at that point where the "Reply" I clicked on was located. I had to scroll back down and find the open composition window. I don't know if others have noticed these things or not. I usually don't post this much, but it seems that if we don't use it pretty hard, we won't find these little details.

Again, thank you Mark! Even as it is, it's SO MUCH BETTER than what Yahoo has kludged into.


Dano


locked Re: Calendar is live

 

Hi Brenda,

On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

And Mark, if you want us to move this discussion topic to MMSanctuary, we can. Just let me know.


I completely support what you all are doing and am flattered at the passion you have shown. But I'd like to keep Beta focused on Groups.io features and how I can improve the service..

Thanks!
Mark


locked Re: Disable archives?

Nightowl >8#
 

Dan,

I'm home, need to lie down and kick a migraine, but I'll be back on later.

And I'm also going to see about making either a group or subgroup on here for these sorts of status updates, so they aren't cluttering up the beta group.

And I plan to ask Mark what his policy is on Off-Topic posts, too.

But first, kick the headache...because I can't think when my head hurts.

Brenda



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Nightowl >8#
 

I agree, Dan.

The exceptions to this are for example, when I had to delete a thread or so in MM when a bunch of people started fighting, because it would look bad to the media and public, Or when I had to delete posts that offered illegal things such as pirated software. But we can talk about this more,.

Brenda


locked Re: Disable archives?

Nightowl >8#
 

David,

I agree. That's why we worked so hard before they took away our "cheat to Classic" method to archive as many groups on Yahoo as possible. People helped one another, and archiving took hours and hours once they took away the sneaky method (sort of a back door into Classic we found that allowed us access to the messages and etc.).

The only reason I wish people would delete their groups & thus their archives when/if they leave Yahoo, would be to render that group impossible to use to claim activity by the Yahoo Execs. But by all means, save them first, somewhere anyway. And give members access to them when possible, by for example, a zip file that can be sent on request from a Non-Yahoo location.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

Okay, I'm up here at the car place on my laptop (trying out their new wifi counter)

Dan, I thought some more about this,  (contacting the media), and here are my thoughts:

1. Yahoo has pretty much done everything it can to us. It's already broken groups, screwed up mail, and lost many people's archives and data.The only thing they can try to do to us would be refuse to let us leave a group or delete a group. However, that didn't stop anyone before, because they may be able to prevent us from deleting groups or "leaving them"  but they can't really keep us there.

2. I already put the word out on Twitter about this place when Mark gave me the green light the other day, and I have a bunch of reporters that follow me. I don't think they will pay much attention to us now as they weren't doing it before. Plus there is the post on the Blog, where reporters & etc. have been directed for over a year.

3. Mark needs people to populate his groups, and a story in the media might really help, I have a couple particular special reporters that might consider mentioning it. And two of them did a story about our plight, but no one cared in mainstream media,

4. If we DID get a story out in mainstream media, I think it would only help our cause, not hurt it. Yahoo can either fix things and let us keep what we had, (which is no longer likely), or let us leave. I don't think there is much else they can do except delete groups completely, and I think they are headed there anyway.

What are your thoughts?

And Mark, if you want us to move this discussion topic to MMSanctuary, we can. Just let me know.

Brenda