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moderated Re: email privacy

Ant No
 

Thank you Judy.

Turns out it is a problem so I'll guide the owner to fix it.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 09:10 AM, Bob Buxton wrote:
I hope this would address the OP's aims, be more flexible and be consistent with the use of hashtags for categorization across the web


If groups used them consistently, didn't abuse them and I could use Boolean operators then maybe. As Ronaldo pointed out tag and keyword abuse is an old game. Harder to moderate than a choose a single cat system.

I think across the web overstates it a bit. Hashtags are relatively new. Heavily focused on social media but admittedly spreading, mostly by the efforts of people trying to sell things. Or so it seems to me.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 04:20 PM, RCardona wrote:
You fail to appreciate the power of groups.io's search function.  You may want to learn how to use it, rather than advocate for the addition of an unnecessary categorization element to it.  

In the group search function, a user may add any number of descriptive keywords that will filter down the results.  There is no need to add boolean search operations.  Simply add a 2nd, 3rd, 4th. . . . etc. . . keyword with a space in between the keywords; and the search function will drill down the results pull.


Yes, I understand how a multi keyword search works. It's a standard function of all search engines. Trust me, you may not but, I do need a way to exclude terms and that's Boolean operators. They were invented for a reason. Not because no one's as clever as Mark and didn't realise they were unnecessary.

You seen to have missed the part where I said I don't always know what I'm looking for until I find it. I did give an example. A real one that happened.

You'll still be able to do things your way. Why do you care if there's another way too. Why want to control other people's choices? I don't want to remove any of yours.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:33 PM, ro-esp wrote:
I'm not sure there can be a system that does...without sacrificing your privacy to "artificial intelligence" that is. 


Well the system I propose does. With our  intelligence not AI. It's just a matter of being able to sort the list better so you have smaller chunks to wade through. That's the entire point of the proposal.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:33 PM, ro-esp wrote:
Being able to exclude searchterms would be nice, but 20 categories of a thousand groups each
would still leave a lot of wading to do (and I expect groups.io to become significantly bigger).


Agreed Ronaldo. However the numbers are not evenly distributed. Some cats have a massive following. That's the problem. I think I've demonstrated I'm not adverse to some wading.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:33 PM, ro-esp wrote:
you would find it by doing a search for a tag that the owner/moderator put in the description.

That assumes I know I want to find it. As I said I didn't and wouldn't have thought to.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:30 PM, Juulz wrote:
Determining the correct word choice for each category would be a monumental task in and of itself.

Not really Juulz. Most if the cats are deliberately broad and self evident. Differently enabled is the answer allready out there for the one valid point you make. Not a mammoth task at all.

Getting hung up on semantics kinda misses the point.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 12:15 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
I would suggest that this is for those who wish to do so.
I'm sure some groups would rather remain anonymous


If that's true Bob it would be easy enough to have an anon cat which can't be searched or viewed by any means. Currently that would be an invite only group and you can still find them at the moment but not join.

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

Drew

It's not either or. You can do both. They're not exactly official cats. They reflect what's actually there in the 7000 groups I looked through.

To you the exact kind of radio group you are is important and you can use keywords and tags to define this. To anyone uninterested in radio it's just one big lump with a massive following that buries niche interest groups

Being able to exclude that entire category would be very helpful. The cats are broad on purpose  and based purely  on large group numbers.

A search presumes you have a good idea of what you want to find and that the keywords or tags you use match the ones the group owner used.

Cats and searches are like catapillers and butterflies. They do different things well.

moderated Message search is behind

 

Hi All,

Indexing messages is about 17 hours behind at this point. That means that messages sent last night around midnight Pacific Time are only just now becoming searchable. This affects the per-month display on the group home pages. It may also be responsible for the Emailed Photos sort issue talked about here today.

I made one change that will help, but by the nature of it, won't start helping until probably tomorrow morning. I expect to do further optimizations as well to try to get it under control. I'll keep you posted.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Theft of Yahoo! Group mailing lists ?

 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:19 PM perlloaderplease via Groups.Io <perlloaderplease=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

Doesn't your Yahoo Transfer process allow for the theft of private group email lists by someone creating a 'ghost' group and doing a transfer request at the same time that the real group owner is doing a transfer request ?

You can only create one transfer request per Yahoo Group.


Mark 

moderated Theft of Yahoo! Group mailing lists ?

YSWT
 


Doesn't your Yahoo Transfer process allow for the theft of private group email lists by someone creating a 'ghost' group and doing a transfer request at the same time that the real group owner is doing a transfer request ?

I.E.

My group makes transfer@groups.io a moderator 

and someone ELSE sends a transfer request OF OUR GROUP...

won't you be sending our mailing list to their groups.io group....

moderated Re: Emailed Photos Bug: When I click a thumbnail the wrong photo appears #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 05:51 PM, Eric di Domenico wrote:
This seems to only happen when sorting by Name
You're right...that is peculiar.

What I'm seeing is that only "sort by posted" actually works for the Emailed Photos folder. If you sort by anything else, the thumbnails are moved around but the underlying links are not. 

Seems to work fine in other albums.

Bruce

moderated Re: Emailed Photos Bug: When I click a thumbnail the wrong photo appears #bug

Eric di Domenico
 

This seems to only happen when sorting by Name

moderated Re: Emailed Photos Bug: When I click a thumbnail the wrong photo appears #bug

Eric di Domenico
 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 01:54 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Your browser is caching the thumbnail page.
That's not it. I just cleared my cache, also tried with a different browser with a clean cache (that I use for development).

no photos have been deleted, this is the "Emailed Photos" album. It's just broken.

moderated Suggestion for Importing Groups

Janis
 

Mark,

I am not a tech person, but it seems this might be a good idea to move groups faster and in a way that is more fair. Small groups are having to wait too long because of monster groups taking so.long to import.

My suggestion is to separate the queues into 3 categories small groups, medium groups (over 500 members) and large monster groups. Separate machines and staff can be dedicated to each.category. 

If possible have some of your machines dedicated  to importing just the small groups. They will moved faster and will soon be off the bucket list because of their smaller size. Then you can concentrate those freed up machines on moving the medium sized groups.

This should speed up the process. At least it would be more fair! Waiting on.monster groups to be imported is not fair because of the  extra time they are monopolizing for imports.  


Those who  have a monster group, you may not like this, but it will also move them forward in their queue. And get them closer to the finish.line.

Small active groups that are normally very active every day are hurting because we are stymied and cannot function until the transfer is complete. It matters more with smaller groups. Our membership is of a different make up, more hands on and group oriented.. The nature of the groups necessitates staying actively involved.

Thanks for considering the idea. I do not know if you can do this, but I had to ask.😄

Janis

moderated Accepting invite from Yahoo for transfer (second time)

M K Ramadoss
 

We had sent an invite from Yahoo for transfer@groups.io
Apparently it was accepted and was made a member of the yahoo group
Then we made it as a moderator
Now it is no longer a member of Yahoo
I sent a NEW invite from Yahoo and waiting for acceptance from GIO
This is for transfer of taxproexchange@yahoogroups to TaxproXchange@groups.io
This transfer was started on Oct 18th/20th

Need help

moderated Re: Emailed Photos Bug: When I click a thumbnail the wrong photo appears #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:07 AM, Eric di Domenico wrote:
When I click a thumbnail the wrong photo appears, see attached gif
Your browser is caching the thumbnail page. When deleting photos you have to refresh this page (ctrl-F6) between deletions.

Bruce

moderated Re: Shal's fifteen minutes...

Dave Sergeant
 

Still getting server errors on the direct link but found the full
article in Google's cache. Interesting read, I think there are a few
more of the regulars here who get a mention (including Mark!).

Dave

On 29 Oct 2019 at 15:14, Dave Sergeant wrote:

I will post a copy or summary later (I subscribe). Getting constant
server errors from their site at the moment.

http://davesergeant.com

moderated Re: Shal's fifteen minutes...

Ken Schweizer
 

A worthy read, thanks Shal!

Ken

"Simply put, Socialism rewards sloth and penalizes hard work, while Capitalism rewards hard work and penalizes sloth." C. Bradley Thompson

-----Original Message-----
From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Susan
B
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2019 12:13 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Shal's fifteen minutes...

Helen
I just followed your link and clicked the Register button, registered and read the
whole article. This is not a free trial. You can read 1 article a week free.

Check it out! It’s a good article but too long to summarize well.

Susan B



On Oct 29, 2019, at 10:53 AM, Tanya's Feline CKD <@felineckd>
wrote:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/10/28/internet-activists-
fighting-save-yahoo-groups/

You need a subscription to read the full article, perhaps if someone has
access, they could let us know a bit more about what Shal says (though at least I
now know how old he is).

HTH

Helen