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locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 01:32 PM, ro-esp wrote:
How is it a problem if some
dudes have a massive following, and how exactly do you want to solve it?


The problem is that if a few topics generate lots of groups you have to wade through them while browsing. Excluding chosen topics from your browsing list would solve that
How would your system help you find groups you don't even know you want to find?

By letting me browse lists with some large group catagories removed
Do you want lists of groups sorted by how mainstream or fringe they are?If so, how do you measure mainstream-ness?

No. I want obvious existing broad categories that contain a lot of groups to be, well, grouped so that I can include or exclude them as I choose when I browse. I've repeated several times that the only criteria for forming a catagory is that it includes a large number of existing groups. Purely on the numbers.

Everything else can be in an all the rest catagory. I don't feel everything has to have a special catagory, only if there are a large number of groups in a subject.

Ithe feeling I've missed something crucial

I hope I've clarified that for you now.

I think I've demonstrated I'm not adverse to some wading.your personalpreference matters little here. What matters is that prospective members can easily find the groups they want to join.


I was directly responding to your comment there would still be some wading to do. I'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who likes to browse. Within reason. 

The fact is a search can never tell you if there is some interesting group you've failed to pull, while browsing can definitively tell you that you've seen all the ones you haven't excluded.

Finding the group you want to join is exactly what I'm trying to improve. You will still have all the search facilites you have now but with the additional option of a manual browse made practical by excluding some large catagories from your browsing list.

It's an additional feature that takes away nothing from the existing system. I've repeated this quite a lot now.

Browsing can reveal what searches miss and what you would never know to search for.

It's pretty basic stuff. There's a reason eBay has catagories as well as a search engine. It works better than a search engine alone. They really really care about what works because that's how they make money. Pretty sure they know what they're doing


Asto the other message: I am not saying false tagging is an ancient game.


It is an ancient game and you mentioned that in reference to yahoo groups and porn scammers.

AntūüĎ£

moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • API: New endpoints: newpoll, updatepoll, getpoll, vote.
  • API: New endpoint: registeruser.
  • NEW: Testing prioritizing support emails from group owners of premium groups.
  • API: New endpoints: newwikipage, getwikipages, getwikipageset.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark

moderated Re: One User Account ‚Äď Multiple Email Addresses #suggestion

Lars KelloggStedman
 

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:10 AM, beta@... wrote:

It would really be nice if you could have one account but have an email address for each group you are subscribed to...

I'd like to request the same feature, but for a different use case.

I have two email addresses that I use regularly; one for technical lists, and one for family/personal lists. One of the groups I'm on just migrated over to groups.io, and I wanted to log in and manage my subscription...only to find that I *can't*, because the email address I'm using on that group is not the one that matches my groups.io account.  This means I'm going to need to create a *second* groups.io account, which causes all sorts of problems:

- For any given group I'll need to remember which address I'm using
- I can't stay logged into both accounts all the time without setting up multiple browser profiles (or using multiple browsers, etc)

I'm not sure why it's not already possible to register multiple addresses for an account, but if there is some concern over that idea, then at least pursuing a Google-like ability to be logged into multiple accounts would be a decent second option.

moderated Analytics Code

KL
 

Transferred group from yahoo and enjoying the new groups.io platform

On the Yahoo home page I was able to add code in the group description page from StatCounter allowing me to track basic data. Tried it on Groups.io and won't take. Is it something I missed or is it disabled to allow adding basic code from group.io approved source?


Thank you

locked Re: categorisation

Ant No
 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2019 at 03:33 PM, ro-esp wrote:
I'm actually trying to get away to my new groups
?

I belong to other groups I like to spend time reading and responding to.  I only have so much time and this was just a routine feature request.

You would find it by doing a search for a tag that the owner/moderator put in the description


You've missed the point I already mentioned. That would not work because as one of my very many interests it was not something I would have ever thought to search for. I had to find it by browsing. Also it had no tags.


I'm not sure there can be a system that does...without sacrificing your privacy to "artificial intelligence" that is
The one I suggest would have facilitated my search by removing a big chunk of what I was not looking for. A search cannot do it but browsing can.

So you want to go from "not knowing whether a group exists" to "knowing in what catagory it is in?

Not exactly. I want to be able to exclude large catagories from the list so I can browse through the remainder. It may seem a subtle difference but it's an important one.

Let me give an example: suppose you have a group about lesbian cats in Papua New Guinea. Do you want people to find it under "pets" , "LGTBIA+" or "travel-->PNG"?Wouldn't three tags "lesbian" "cats" and "PNG" be far more efficient (as long as nobody abuses the tags)?


Lol that's so niche it doesn't need a catagory. Perhaps pets/animals will have enough groups to deserve a catagory after the moves are over.

Remember I only want catagories for topics that generate large numbers of groups and only so I can exclude them from my browsing list.

Radio and trains for example both have a huge number of groups that I don't want to have to browse through to find ones I do find interesting.

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

 

All I‚Äôm saying, granted in much less eloquent verbiage, is who needs it? ūü§™


On Nov 1, 2019, at 7:43 PM, Barry_M via Groups.Io <bmwiner@...> wrote:

Totally fair and valid opinion about the UI.  Usability and functionality improvement opportunities aside, meetup was acquired by the real estate company WeWork (itself a troubled but huge company) only two years ago (2017) for around USD 200 Million.  With WeWork now under new leadership itself, and trying to stem its own bleeding, meetup.com is on the block but will likely fetch only a small fraction of that previous valuation, if they can sell it at all. The new WeWork leaders, markedly more sober and professional than the former, realized the business model was a challenging one. Hence "not core" as they've announced.

Online group platforms can meet a great many market needs. Deciding whether and how to serve one or more of those markets is best done smartly and measuredly.  Making good decisions on growth bets is key to survival before any thriving.


Barry


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moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Barry_M
 

Totally fair and valid opinion about the UI.  Usability and functionality improvement opportunities aside, meetup was acquired by the real estate company WeWork (itself a troubled but huge company) only two years ago (2017) for around USD 200 Million.  With WeWork now under new leadership itself, and trying to stem its own bleeding, meetup.com is on the block but will likely fetch only a small fraction of that previous valuation, if they can sell it at all. The new WeWork leaders, markedly more sober and professional than the former, realized the business model was a challenging one. Hence "not core" as they've announced.

Online group platforms can meet a great many market needs. Deciding whether and how to serve one or more of those markets is best done smartly and measuredly.  Making good decisions on growth bets is key to survival before any thriving.


Barry

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

 

I have to weigh in here. To my mind, there could not possibly be a less user-friendly interface than Meetup's. I hate Meetup with a passion normally reserved for Facebook. I find it nearly impossible to search for groups I might actually be interested in, as opposed to being bombarded with groups I have zero interest in, let alone are even within reasonable driving distance of me. By contrast, just a couple of days ago I very easily found three very relevant groups.io groups in my neighborhood by using keywords involving my geographical location and areas of interest, joined one of them, and publicized the other two to my neighborhood block group. 
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moderated Re: Transfer GIO group to another GIO subgroup?

 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 1:53 PM Jon Matcho <jonmatcho@...> wrote:
Is it possible to transfer (and merge) an existing Groups.io subscription into another subscription as follows:

1) The main source list would move to a sub-group in the destination subscription.
2) The three source sub-groups would move to respective sub-groups in the destination subscription.


This is something that I'd have to write code to do. Which means, not until January at the soonest. 

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Transfer GIO group to another GIO subgroup?

Jon Matcho
 

Is it possible to transfer (and merge) an existing Groups.io subscription into another subscription as follows:

1) The main source list would move to a sub-group in the destination subscription.
2) The three source sub-groups would move to respective sub-groups in the destination subscription.

This happened with related/sister groups in the Yahoo frenzy and we're looking to merge memberships.

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Barry_M
 

For what it’s worth, from the business perspective, emulating (or even partnering/collaborating) with meetup is one of a zillion growth avenues groups.io could pursue.  

I‚Äôd imagine all dependent on however Mark does and will think about the ‚Äúsustainable business model‚ÄĚ objective he has.

Meetup, as a company, has created a real market but hasn’t done as well in commercializing its good idea.  That flip side of the entrepreneurial coin trips up a great many entrepreneurs.  

I do think very good and important, at least for the near term, that groups.io’s focus is on strengthening and scaling the current technical foundation to enable the YG transitions and opportunity.  Focus is so key.

Barry 


On Nov 1, 2019, at 2:13 PM, Jerry Peek <jpeek@...> wrote:

ÔĽŅ Thanks, Chris. I'm not familiar enough with groups.io to know how many people search for a group to join (vs. hearing about the group some other way). I'm wondering whether Groups.io could set up a really easy interface, Meetup-style, for people to create a local group and other people to find it -- without needing to know anything about keywords. The group owner creates a group and gives its location by filling in a few boxes: city, state/province/region, country, postal/ZIP code. Someone who wants to find a group fills in a similar few checkboxes -- and gets a list of groups. Maybe there's also a way to categorize the group -- to help people in big cities to quickly narrow their search.

Since Mark isn't working on new features now, I'll try not to post any more now, but I'd guess that other thoughts could be useful. If Meetup looks like it will really shut down, I hope this archived discussion might help Groups.io set itself up to take Meetup's place. In my two days on Groups.io, I've been really impressed with all of the features... some of them could make a Meetup-type group even more useful than Meetup.com allows.

Jerry

On 11/1/2019 10:54 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 03:29 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
If groups.io could do a search that matches "near Beverly Hills" or (easier) "near 90210", it would be much more useful as a replacement for Meetup.
There has been something of a "more heat than light" discussion about FInd a Group elsewhere on beta. You can solve this problem yourself, now!

As well as a description of your group on your Home Page try adding some other keywords; they do not need to be woven into the text, but simply added as a line of "Other Keywords"; their visual impact (which for the purposes of a search is irrelevant) can be minimised by using font size 8.  So if, for example, Beverly HIlls appears in the description "proper" simply include "near" as a keyword.

IMHO the Find or Create a Group function is inadequately described at the moment and I am considering preparing a GMF wiki Guide to help. (FWIW I have been unable to find any help about Find... anywhere.)

Whether I do try to put something together depends in part in how much support for the idea I can garner.

Chris

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

Thanks, Chris. I'm not familiar enough with groups.io to know how many people search for a group to join (vs. hearing about the group some other way). I'm wondering whether Groups.io could set up a really easy interface, Meetup-style, for people to create a local group and other people to find it -- without needing to know anything about keywords. The group owner creates a group and gives its location by filling in a few boxes: city, state/province/region, country, postal/ZIP code. Someone who wants to find a group fills in a similar few checkboxes -- and gets a list of groups. Maybe there's also a way to categorize the group -- to help people in big cities to quickly narrow their search.

Since Mark isn't working on new features now, I'll try not to post any more now, but I'd guess that other thoughts could be useful. If Meetup looks like it will really shut down, I hope this archived discussion might help Groups.io set itself up to take Meetup's place. In my two days on Groups.io, I've been really impressed with all of the features... some of them could make a Meetup-type group even more useful than Meetup.com allows.

Jerry

On 11/1/2019 10:54 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io wrote:
On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 03:29 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
If groups.io could do a search that matches "near Beverly Hills" or (easier) "near 90210", it would be much more useful as a replacement for Meetup.
There has been something of a "more heat than light" discussion about FInd a Group elsewhere on beta. You can solve this problem yourself, now!

As well as a description of your group on your Home Page try adding some other keywords; they do not need to be woven into the text, but simply added as a line of "Other Keywords"; their visual impact (which for the purposes of a search is irrelevant) can be minimised by using font size 8.  So if, for example, Beverly HIlls appears in the description "proper" simply include "near" as a keyword.

IMHO the Find or Create a Group function is inadequately described at the moment and I am considering preparing a GMF wiki Guide to help. (FWIW I have been unable to find any help about Find... anywhere.)

Whether I do try to put something together depends in part in how much support for the idea I can garner.

Chris

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 03:29 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
If groups.io could do a search that matches "near Beverly Hills" or (easier) "near 90210", it would be much more useful as a replacement for Meetup.
There has been something of a "more heat than light" discussion about FInd a Group elsewhere on beta. You can solve this problem yourself, now!

As well as a description of your group on your Home Page try adding some other keywords; they do not need to be woven into the text, but simply added as a line of "Other Keywords"; their visual impact (which for the purposes of a search is irrelevant) can be minimised by using font size 8.  So if, for example, Beverly HIlls appears in the description "proper" simply include "near" as a keyword.

IMHO the Find or Create a Group function is inadequately described at the moment and I am considering preparing a GMF wiki Guide to help. (FWIW I have been unable to find any help about Find... anywhere.)

Whether I do try to put something together depends in part in how much support for the idea I can garner.

Chris

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Bob Buxton
 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 03:29 PM, Jerry Peek wrote:
That's true. But people who are nearby -- but not in the same city or zip code -- will have to know to search for "Beverly Hills" or "90210" in addition to their own city name and/or postal code. Otherwise they won't find the group. If groups.io could do a search that matches "near Beverly Hills" or (easier) "near 90210", it would be much more useful as a replacement for Meetup.
Yes, I realised after posting that a 'near me' search would require:
  1. A specific field in the group profile to provide the location information, parsing the description would be too unreliable
  2. Geocoding  to convert the location to coordinates
  3. Ne search functions to find groups close to users location
Nothing that is overly complicated but not trivial either
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Bob

moderated Re: When will beta be open for requests/support be open for bugs again?

 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 08:31 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
if I don't get the API done, they just sit around, but I still end up paying them...
Oh, no! That would be bad! Get it done. :-)
Thanks for notifying us at the appropriate time. 
 
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moderated Re: When will beta be open for requests/support be open for bugs again?

 

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 7:33 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Yes, obviously, and Mark has said exactly that.. My question is whether he plans on notifying us when it’s over.

I will notify you. For the foreseeable future, my focus is on: keeping the site up, fixing any bugs that come up, running the group transfer process, and working on the API. I need to continue working on the API because the firm developing the app has 3 developers working on it, and if I don't get the API done, they just sit around, but I still end up paying them...

Thanks,
Mark 

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Jerry Peek <jpeek@...>
 

(Since I posted the original question, I see that we shouldn't post new feature requests for now. So here's a quick reply.)

That's true. But people who are nearby -- but not in the same city or zip code -- will have to know to search for "Beverly Hills" or "90210" in addition to their own city name and/or postal code. Otherwise they won't find the group. If groups.io could do a search that matches "near Beverly Hills" or (easier) "near 90210", it would be much more useful as a replacement for Meetup.

On 11/1/2019 2:53 AM, Bob Buxton wrote:
There is nothing to stop a group owner including location information and categories within the group description which is then searchable on the 'find a group page' so is any new function needed?
Just  include  "Meetup Beverly Hills, CA, 90210" along with anything else that is relevant
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Bob

moderated Re: When will beta be open for requests/support be open for bugs again?

 

Yes, obviously, and Mark has said exactly that.. My question is whether he plans on notifying us when it’s over.

On Nov 1, 2019, at 7:08 AM, JohnF via Groups.Io <johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

I'm not Mark, but I suspect that unless it's an emergency or extremely time sensitive, nothing's going to get looked at until the Yahoo Groups deluge is over. You should probably hold off until then.

JohnF

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 06:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:


Mark,

Since you've said to hold off posting feature requests to beta (and even
submitting bug reports to support) during the yahoo transfers, I have started
compiling a list of problems/issues and saving them for "later." One of them
is somewhat serious, although I would not classify it as urgent. My question
is, what's "later" mean? Will you be announcing that you're open again for bug
reports and feature requests?

Thanks.

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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. -
Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my
desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the
time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest.
Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

moderated Re: groups.io accomodate Meetup groups?

Bob Buxton
 

There is nothing to stop a group owner including location information and categories within the group description which is then searchable on the 'find a group page' so is any new function needed?
Just  include  "Meetup Beverly Hills, CA, 90210" along with anything else that is relevant
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Bob

moderated Re: When will beta be open for requests/support be open for bugs again?

 

I'm not Mark, but I suspect that unless it's an emergency or extremely time sensitive, nothing's going to get looked at until the Yahoo Groups deluge is over. You should probably hold off until then.

JohnF

On Thu, Oct 31, 2019 at 06:39 PM, J_Catlady wrote:


Mark,

Since you've said to hold off posting feature requests to beta (and even
submitting bug reports to support) during the yahoo transfers, I have started
compiling a list of problems/issues and saving them for "later." One of them
is somewhat serious, although I would not classify it as urgent. My question
is, what's "later" mean? Will you be announcing that you're open again for bug
reports and feature requests?

Thanks.

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. -
Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my
desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the
time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest.
Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.