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locked Re: Digest layout

kr402
 

That's why people should http://www.learn.to/quote...
Ronaldo
It is not in English so I can not read it. 


locked Re: Digest layout

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:05 am, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Mark,

In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
removed. It should help.
Is there any reason to not do it for single messages?


In some of the threads the impression of some messages from the digest is very
different from reality, because one doesn't know which message was being
replied to
That's why people should http://www.learn.to/quote...

Perhaps rather than removing the entire quote, you could leave behind a
snippet, similar to the snippet shown in the Messages lists.
Disagree. We don't read random snippets. People should include key parts of quote. Let's not encourage wrong habits.

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: Digest layout

 

Mark,

In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
removed. It should help.
Awesome.

Makes The-Tech-Zone digest readable for a change, previously it was choked with run-on trailing quotes.

Except ...

In some of the threads the impression of some messages from the digest is very different from reality, because one doesn't know which message was being replied to when message #2060 says "you're conveying extreme, extreme examples". The antecedent for that pronoun could be completely misplaced if you read the digest - the author wasn't replying to the most recent prior message in that thread, #2057, but the much earlier #2042.

Perhaps rather than removing the entire quote, you could leave behind a snippet, similar to the snippet shown in the Messages lists. Come to that, same for the ellipsis button in the expanded Messages on the web - put a snippet before the button.

And then there's #2049, where the member posted a message forwarded from elsewhere. This was not a reply at all, and so the deletion of quote-marked material was inappropriate.

-- Shal


locked Re: Message quoting improvements

 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:12 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
  • The 'Show Message History' button for quoting a message now shows up when doing an HTML reply.
  • You can select part of a message to reply to, and only that part will be quoted. You must select the part of the message to reply to before clicking the Reply link.
  •  Yay!  If this test works, anyway.  ;)


    JohnF



    locked Re: Digest layout

     

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:13 PM, <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    One thing I like in the Yahoo digest is the messages are linked so I can
    slip down to one of interest without scrolling through the rest. Rather
    nice, expecially in a group where folks do not trim old quotes out.
    That would require HTML digests. Currently the digests are plain text.
    Definitely doable, I'll put it on the list for consideration.

    In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
    digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
    one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
    removed. It should help.

    Thanks,
    Mark


    locked Message quoting improvements

     

    Hi All,

    Several improvements to replying to messages have just been pushed:

    • The 'Show Message History' button for quoting a message now shows up when doing an HTML reply.
    • You can select part of a message to reply to, and only that part will be quoted. You must select the part of the message to reply to before clicking the Reply link.
    • When building the quoted reply part for a plain text reply, we break up long lines now.

    The editor still makes things difficult with quoted HTML messages unfortunately; it's very difficult to insert unquoted text within a quoted passage (it doesn't split the quoted part into two parts). I'm still looking for a solution to that.

    Thanks, Mark


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    cshenk1@...
     

    Mark,

     

    One thing I like in the Yahoo digest is the messages are linked so I can slip down to one of interest without scrolling through the rest.  Rather nice, expecially in a group where folks do not trim old quotes out.

      Carol 


    locked Re: On the subject of subjects

    cshenk1@...
     

    > YES ! If people use an "old" subjectline, chances they want it to be part of the thread

     

    Grin, depends on the group.  I can live with it threaded though in a Freecycle, as long as there is a way to read in posting order, not just threaded order.

    "OFFER: Moving boxes"  I probably get 50 a year at the least here.  "OFFER: Kids Clothes" about the same, but each from different people.

     

    If that could only be read in threaded order, it would be a disaster for a Freecycle.

     

    > No there shouldn't. We should educate our members so they don't use nonsense subjectlines like "Help!" or "I've got a problem"

    Similar, this can't be made a concern for a Freecycle.  There's only so many ways to tell folks you are wanting or offering moving boxes.

      Carol 



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    On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Laurence Taylor <g7mzh@gmx.co.uk> wrote:
    May I make a suggestion regarding the digest?

    Put a blank line between subjects in the list of messages, so it is
    easier to read what subjects are there.
    Good idea. This will be added today.

    Thanks,
    Mark


    locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

    Duane
     

    Using Mark's suggestion that the logo could end up as an icon, I went a step further in testing. I converted them to B&W, then scaled them down to a very small size. That eliminated several that I thought were nice because they didn't work well.

    My finalists, in numerical order: 10, 44, 47, 57, 63, and 72.

    Duane


    locked Re: Growth of Groups.io

     
    Edited

    Actually, I was making this post to show that Groups.io has grown significantly since the last time that I posted an unofficial update here. I predict Groups.io's growth will take place in two stages. In the first, groups will primarily be coming over from another service such as Yahoo groups. . . . . . In the second stage, groups will primarily be created on Groups.io first.
    I can accept the idea of marking change. Right now I'm most concerned about the limitation on attachment size. I suspect some of that is related to Mark's work on Photos, since attachments will need to be stored somewhere so members can see them on the web site.


    As to whether those groups will be "immigrants" or "natives" is a fuzzy line. I have one existing group that needs to see a change in focus, and it may simply be created here (actually it already has been) in a new and different incarnation. But it also waits for some changes before going 'prime time'. There are some who would enjoy the new format and a new spirit, but the format needs to be refined a little or they may leave because of things they can't sort out.


    Some people's greatest gift is the ability to transport us back to a earlier time, but those people are often less tolerant of things that don't work smoothly. I can't tell you how many times I've heard the comment from people that they don't mind change if it works, but change just to change is a waste when there are so many other things that demand an active person's attention.


    Dano


    locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

     

    My only problem with #57/#69 is that the people look like old-style keyholes to me.  I think it would work if they could be made lass keyholey.

    JohnF



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    LAurence wrote:

    No. 23: EEE-groups! (What a pity that name isn't available!)
    LOL, I finally recognized that those were intended to be @ signs, signifying email. A fail for me even so.


    My finalists:

    bungle #10
    Nice, simple, and distinctive icon. Not as sophisticated as #51, but combines network (web) and email in a very geek-friendly way.

    reivan #51
    The ringed envelopes graphic conveys to me the combination of email and web, and would make a distinct icon. The colors seem dark, but that can probably be fixed. Or maybe I just need to get used to them.

    YAN'S LOGOS #47
    A distinctive icon, which captures the "G" in a subtle way.

    Publibox #44
    A nicely distinctive icon. But another with the darker colors.

    totobis #72
    A very boldly distinct icon. I like the sense of motion from the double-headed arrow, which serves also as a suggestion of a "G". Also a suggestion of a smile. It could also resemble a very foreshortened view of a demonic viper, poised to strike (blue on black especially).

    wenk #66
    I don't know why this one made my cut, since it has "speech balloon" tails. But I like the use of color and the sense of motion it conveys as an icon.

    -- Shal


    locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

     

    I like 57 too. I like the image it presents of welcoming people of all types (as represented by the multiple colors and sizes of the people) and it's achieving that while not actually pointing out races by using skin colors...it's simply a rainbow of people.  It's also people bunched together in a group. 

    Trish

    On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
    As part of applying to Facebook so that people can log in using their
    Facebook credentials, Groups.io is required to submit a logo. But we
    don't have a logo, you say. True! But not for long. I have just
    created a design contest on 99designs for a Groups.io logo. Designers
    read the creative brief, and submit logo ideas, from which I'll select
    a winner.

    I could use your help. Here's the contest:

    http://99designs.com/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries

    I just submitted it, so there are only a few designs to review. But
    over the next 4 days, a bunch should be submitted. Tell me in this
    thread which ones you like or don't like. The designers can tweak the
    designs as well, so suggestions for tweaks are appreciated as well.

    I know creativity is subjective and everyone has different tastes. But
    hopefully this will be fun.

    Thanks,
    Mark






    locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

    Frances
     

    #57. Do they look like chess pawns?  My sister's comment so feel free to ignore!

    frances



    locked Re: Help me pick a logo!

    cshenk1@...
     

    I agree Linda, forget my earlier vote.

     

    This one speaks to me.  I dislike the ones that are newer from publibox.  They feel like people are caged in a box (email).

      Carol 

    ---- 

    Hi Mark,
    Forget everything I said before, I love #57!
    http://en.99designs.pt/logo-design/contests/create-logo-groups-io-468799/entries/57

    Linda


    locked Re: On the subject of subjects

    ro-esp
     

    On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 04:20 pm, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

    Here's what I'm thinking:

    If a message has no References and In-Reply-To headers, but has a
    subject that starts with Re:, we consider it a reply.
    YES ! If people use an "old" subjectline, chances they want it to be part of the thread

    Look for the
    most recent thread with a matching subject, and add it to that thread.
    If there is no appropriate thread, then we consider it a new thread.
    Perhaps there should be a time limit for threads we consider (i.e.
    only look at threads over the past week for possible matches).
    No there shouldn't. We should educate our members so they don't use nonsense subjectlines like "Help!" or "I've got a problem"


    This won't catch everything. For example, Linda's message just now,
    https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/2242, doesn't have a
    References or In-Reply-To line, and does not have a subject that
    starts with Re:. But it's clearly a reply. (It also doesn't have any
    quoted text).
    If it's meant to be reply, it's her fault if she didn't quote anything.

    groetjes, Ronaldo


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    I wrote before that I really like #16; but, I find that I like this #57 as well.  Just not the black background.  People with low vision will have some trouble viewing light colors on a dark background.  Dark or bold colors on a light background  would be better. 


    Donna


    locked Re: Growth of Groups.io

     

    Actually, I was making this post to show that Groups.io has grown significantly since the last time that I posted an unofficial update here. I predict Groups.io's growth will take place in two stages. In the first, groups will primarily be coming over from another service such as Yahoo groups. You are correct that many groups will wait for particular features that have been indicated to be forthcoming (photos, databases) or for the ecosystem to have developed to the point where they believe that the service is well established. In the second stage, groups will primarily be created on Groups.io first.


    locked Re: Successful groups and moderators

     

    I'd like to add a few thoughts to my own comments.
    1) What characteristics do you think make a successful group?
    That's tough because groups can be so very different and all may be good for those that use them. I think the top criteria is activity. Do people post freely and often? IS there some good discussion? Do members feel free to post and know who they're reading? (I should explain, we had problems with anonymous trolls for a while and put a stop to it by requiring full names on posts or clearly in email addresses.) Is there respect between members and no bullying?
    Another thing that's important is whether the members can easily find different subjects in the Messages or find file or images easily. Much of this last is dependent on the owner's or moderators' organizational abilities and the ability to move files, photos and attachments around as needed.
    Something that is very important, even though it might seem obvious, is a defined subject matter. One of my groups has a habit of taking off on a tangent occasionally. I've learned that letting it run for a couple posts generally allows it to die off of it's own weight. But with a group of over 2000, that kind of drift from the group focus can frustrate a number of members and see them leave. It takes a light touch to guide things without being heavy handed. At that point, we're back to talking about what it takes to be a 'list janitor'.

    2) What characteristics do you think make a good moderator?
    The best owners and moderators are the ones that are least noticed. They can encourage and participate in discussions, but very seldom does the group see the "Moderator" hat or (heaven forbid!) the "Owner" hat. Moderators can find and append user's names and delete things like members' phone numbers from moderated messages. Any discussion about inappropriate behavior happens off-list and it would be nice if the other moderators and owner could just be BCCd to avoid embarrassing the member, even privately.
    It's important for an owner or moderator to leave their ego at home if the group purpose is important to them. Running a group is worse than herding cats. I generally refer to myself as a "list janitor" simply because that's the closest to what the job really is. One must keep an eye on all the members, quietly take aside the troublesome ones for a little counseling and clean up the less-savvy members' technical problems. I just don't have a broom to lean on.

    Dano