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moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

 

This is one of those suggested features that I would argue strongly against - and before people jump on me for arguing against something "just because I personally don't want it," let me assure you preemptively that's not the case. I don't care one way or the other personally about this. I simply don't think it makes sense for a product like this to have a section specifically devoted to "links." There is nothing special about links, and a section specifically devoted to them, like yahoo had, strikes me as an ugly little wart sticking out of the UI. If someone wants to post links, they can post them anywhere else that general content can be posted. 
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moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

Thanks Mark, that shows in the fact that I was seeing about 20-25 groups per day dropping out in the list ahead of mine.  Now it is dropping at a faster rate so I will not have a real number until I do my stats at the end of the day. 

Keep up the great work, and thanks for letting us know.

moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

 

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 09:50 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I was able to roll out some optimizations to the database. This resulted in us being able to import over twice as many messages 
Congrats!
 
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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

moderated Re: Yahoo Group transfer update

RCardona
 

Mark,

Thank you for your continued efforts to optimize the movement of Yahoo Groups to your platform as quickly as possible!  We appreciate you!  My group really enjoys their new home here at G.IO! 

Robert

On 11/5/19 12:49 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Hi All,

I've been working to increase the speed of the import process. As a reminder, pulling the data out of Yahoo (the export process) has been caught up for some time now. This is fortunate because the most important thing is to save the data before Yahoo deletes it/stops working. And we are able to do that.

The bottleneck is importing the data into Groups.io, specifically importing group messages. Sunday evening I was able to roll out some optimizations to the database. This resulted in us being able to import over twice as many messages yesterday (2.4M) as our previous high water mark. I've made an additional change, which I hope will further speed up the process.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I  certainly would put up with a more primitive system that gio rather than the total unreliability and lack of any other redeeming qualities that Yahoo has exhibited for years.  They've been circling the drain for several years, attempting to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.  Adieu and good riddance, Yahoo.  Long live gio!
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moderated Yahoo Group transfer update

 

Hi All,

I've been working to increase the speed of the import process. As a reminder, pulling the data out of Yahoo (the export process) has been caught up for some time now. This is fortunate because the most important thing is to save the data before Yahoo deletes it/stops working. And we are able to do that.

The bottleneck is importing the data into Groups.io, specifically importing group messages. Sunday evening I was able to roll out some optimizations to the database. This resulted in us being able to import over twice as many messages yesterday (2.4M) as our previous high water mark. I've made an additional change, which I hope will further speed up the process.

Thanks,
Mark

moderated Re: Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

Dave,

It shouldn't be hard for an Owner / Moderator to make a "links" database table.

Users can then add new "links" with no more effort than than clicking on "Add row" and pasting a link and optionally typing in some descriptive info and clicking on "Save Row".

In fact, if you have a group migrated from Yahoo, there will already by a links database so all the Owner/Moderator has to do is to allow normal subscribers to add links if desired.

I am sure one could make a fancier "app" of some sort, but what we have certainly already meets my needs.
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Gerald

moderated Improved Links Functionality #suggestion

Dave Bird
 

Yahoo groups has a links functionality which allows one to very simply add links, folders, and folders with links.

GIO functionality in this area is more primitive in that one has to construct the entire structure in the wiki, or a flat structure within the database. Yes, I've explored this in some detail. There's a distinct learning curve, not something that one would expect all members of a group to be able to do.

I'd really like to see this efficient links functionality added to GIO.

Thanks for considering.

moderated Re: Bounce History

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Once I would have agreed, but those people whom circumstances have dragged to groups.io with their groups are no longer “ordinary users” of necessity.

These people have an obligation to become familiar with the standard terms group administrators must use.  It’s not appropriate for us “Johnny-come-latelys” to barge in and try to redefine standards long agreed and now common reference.  

“When all else fails, read the instructions”!

Just my opinion,

WRB

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On Nov 4, 2019, at 12:52 PM, Jeremy Nicoll <yahgrp87@...> wrote:

I think it would be helpful if instead of the Account page having a "Recent Bounces" tab, that was renamed "Delivery Errors".   "Bounces" is only meaningful to people who understand the technology.  An ordinary user, suffering delivery problems, even if they look on their account page, won't realise that the Bounces button is relevant.




moderated Re: Bounce History

 

I think it would be helpful if instead of the Account page having a "Recent Bounces" tab, that was renamed "Delivery Errors". "Bounces" is only meaningful to people who understand the technology. An ordinary user, suffering delivery problems, even if they look on their account page, won't realise that the Bounces button is relevant.

locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

 

Right. And because nobody is telling them to do otherwise, instead engaging in the conversation. It's taken over the forum.


On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 10:05 AM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 11:40 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
why does this thread even exist in beta
Because people can't be bothered to take the time to read the message at the top of the Message/Topics/Expanded page here, nor the information found in the Home page description.

Duane


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locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

 

Speaking of Lock Topic, why does this thread even exist in beta rather than be locked? Beta is turning more and more into GMF each day. I am following fewer and fewer topics here and muting more and more of them. 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Mon, Nov 4, 2019 at 02:54 AM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
Muting is available in the More menu if you have those permissions but it's called Lock Topic
Muting is something a Subsciber can do to avoid being distracted by messages that do not interest them. Lock Topic is an Owner / Moderator function that disables the reply option and prevents further posts under that topic heading.

They are not the same.

Chris

locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Technotronic Dimensions
 

Its called the Subject Tag in the group settings. Strange that her email post with a new subject to the group didnt get that appended to the subject line. I thought it was something to do
with the fact she made it html and it was quite a large email. I have attached the email as it came to me for your study and feedback, thanks.

moderated Re: Bounce History

YT9TP - Pedja
 

I second this request. I have bouncing issues right now and it was really hard to find out what happens.

Whene bouncing occurres both admin and user whose mail bounces has to be informed with proper technical details (copy of bounced message so message and headers may be investigated). That would really help to understand that there is an issue and possibly quickly find out the cause.

I had headache for days trying to find why as mail from groups.io stops coming, then bouncing notice on groups.io site shows up days later.

I had god position that I administer my mail server so I could search through the logs. i finally found out that groups.io is reported as SPAM source by at least one SPAM list. For now I isolated SURBL as one that reports groups.io as SPAM. It seems groups.io was failry quickly removed from SURBL database but not quickly enough to avoid people get into problems caused by bouncing.

I am yet to find out if there is more such cases besides SURBL.

Apart from obvious issue why groups.io is reported as SPAM, problem is that users do not get any warning about bouncing happens except that messages stop coming. It looks like warnings are sent by email (and bounced as well). Notice on site shows few days after messages stop coming. It should show up immediately as groups.io recognizes bouncing. and that warning should contain more info, specific technical details about bounced mail so user (or admin) may investigate and handle issue.

If there are more messages involved, history should be available.

It seems this spam filters reporting groups.io as SPAM source is not isolated case. I guess groups.io administration could open channel where users and admins may report SPAM detection so cases may be investigated and dealt with.

moderated Re: Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete ... (or to deactivate member deletions)

 

You’re stepping into a minefield here. I and a few others been requesting this for a long time, but it will never happen because of perceived legal issues. Try to do a search on this to find past discussions here.


On Nov 3, 2019, at 10:47 PM, YSWT via Groups.Io <perlloaderplease@...> wrote:


#Request for Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete messages... (or to deactivate member deletions)  

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu
Note on an occupational hazard: I comment frequently in beta based on my desire for the betterment of groups.io as a product. Only a fraction of the time are my comments and suggestions specifically a matter of self-interest. Don't assume the latter when the former may be the case.

moderated Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete ... (or to deactivate member deletions)

YSWT
 


#Request for Option to require Moderator approval for member to delete messages... (or to deactivate member deletions)  

locked Re: categorisation

 

All,

This topic has run its course. I'm locking it.

Mark

locked Re: categorisation

Bob Bellizzi
 

That's just emotional nonsense.
Is that your usual final argument?  Everyone else is just too emotional and spouting nonsense?
Obviously you don't scan replies very well.

The truth that they would be uninteresting to most people doesn't mean they're trying to hide from everyone else.
We never said they were trying to hide.   That seems to be your impression.
I simply said that the purpose and intent of most groups is just none of your business.
Those that wish to proslytize will do so.
Those who don't, won't and if that sticks in your craw, sorry about that.

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Bob Bellizzi

locked Re: #bug Large posts in HTML #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

Since you are viewing the message IN YOUR GROUP, adding (your group) to the subject would be redundant.  It's only on the emailed version to identify the message further at your email client for you.

The Mute topic, footer and other stuff is not a part of the original sender's message either.  they are only added on to the 'repeated' message sent out to the group.

If you look just below the message (on a computer) you will see Reply, Like and More
Additional functions are in the More link ( the number of items in this menu depends on your status as regular subscriber or moderator/owner and how your permissions are set)
Muting is available in the More menu if you have those permissions but it's called Lock Topic
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