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moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Duane
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 03:17 AM, Glenn wrote:
So ask for help at GMF, report bugs to support@groups.io, and request new features here?
Those are the preferred options.  We sometimes hash over possible new features on GMF in an attempt to nail down what's needed and avoid clutter here, but starting here is also acceptable I believe.  (For Premium groups, the new Feature Request site can be used, https://groupsio.canny.io/, also see https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/23137)  If a bug is easily reproduced, going directly to support is best.  It doesn't hurt to ask about them on GMF, in case someone has a temporary work-around to get you by until it's fixed.

Duane

moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 09:31 AM, Glenn wrote:
Do they get a bounce notification? Or does that only go to adminsitrators? How would they even know the message exists, if it bounces?
Glenn; if an email user is sent an attachment that exceeds their mail provider's limit then the provider is liable to bounce it; the user will get no notification at all, and a group owner.moderator will only know about the bounce if they search for it on the individual user's email delivery record. 

By setting a maximum attachment size a user tells Groups.io not to send attachments to them that exceed that setting but to send a link so that the user can go and find it for themselves. Duane's setting of "0" means that every attachment appears as a link, and it is a perfectly acceptable setting.

Like Duane I am at a loss to see why "huge" attachments should be required, and there is a potential major downside to them. There are occasions when mail providers more or less refuse to play nicely with Groups.io, and with a great deal of traffic once generated by Yahoo (groups) now being sent by Groups.io it hands a ready - made excuse to mail providers to start bouncing more of it. Once that starts then users will find themselves getting no traffic whatsoever, not just getting large attachments bounced. I would argue that that would be a significantly greater inconvenience than just having to click a link in an email to find an attachment.

Chris

moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Glenn
 

Do they get a bounce notification? Or does that only go to adminsitrators? How would they even know the message exists, if it bounces?

And, as you do, if folks don't want large messages, they can set their max attachment size appropriately.

The attachment overhead is about 33%, not 50%, from BASE64 encoding.

Large attachments have their place for some groups. Having it show up in email automatically is a convenience. Less interactivity required, stored locally on the computer for later. Some folks like it that way, some folks like it your way.

moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Glenn
 

Thanks. I missed the download button, and in fact, got confused at the Members page due to "Pending Members" hiding the "Members list" when I was looking for the above info.

Didn't know about support@groups.io, will report it there. Still a newbie here. Did know about GMF, but hadn't figured out all the protocol: So ask for help at GMF, report bugs to support@groups.io, and request new features here?

The bug is what brought me here for this stream of discussion, not knowing about support@....

moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:01 PM, Glenn wrote:
what if someone sends more than 10 or 25MB? Then it bounces.
Then they go to the site to read it.  I can't think of a good reason to be sending an attachment that large to a group though.  There can be a lot of overhead involved in sending something as an attachment, often 50% of the original file size.  It would make more sense to me to upload it into a file (or photo) and let people decide for themselves if they want to use the bandwidth to view it (without the overhead.)

As a side note, I have my subscription set to 0 for max attachment size, just for situations such as this.

Duane

moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 10:03 PM, Glenn wrote:
4. Would be nice to download the current members list as a TSV with names and emails.  That's what I really was looking for.
You can do that into a CSV using the Download button at the top of the Members page, then manipulate as you want.

You should probably ask about things like this on GMF to make sure they don't exist before requesting features on the beta group (which is what it's supposed to be used for, per the group description.)  The only item I see on your list that really belongs on this group is #1, but possibly #3 as well.  The sorting problem on the Invite page should be reported to support@groups.io as a bug, though I wasn't able to duplicate it.  I also didn't see duplicate or missing entries, but don't have very many invites on my group since I usually delete them as they're accepted.

Duane

moderated Re: Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Glenn
 

In the same vein,

4. Would be nice to download the current members list as a TSV with names and emails.  That's what I really was looking for.

moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Glenn
 

Almost true, Duane: what if someone sends more than 10 or 25MB? Then it bounces.

moderated Sent Invitations list has inconsistent results when sorted

Glenn
 

Doing a manual migration of a Yahoo group, and trying to track which members have accepted, and so the Sent Invitations, sorted by Status, seemed to be a great way to go.

But there are duplicate entries, and missing entries. The right number of Accepted status entries in total, as compared to the default sorted-by-email list.

So I had to resort to copy/pasting them all to a spreadsheet, and sorting by status there, to get the complete list of Accepted (so far) folks.

1. Would be nice if we could just download the list as a TSV or CSV some spreadsheet format
2. Would be nice if the Status sort produced correct results online.
3. I didn't check the sort-by-Invited list for accuracy, but that column is a misnomer... it starts out as the invited date, but then updates to the Failed or Accepted date: which is useful, but not quite an accurate column name. It seems to really be the "date of last status".

moderated Re: More attachment size selections requested

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 08:51 PM, Glenn wrote:
it would be nice if groups.io allowed those limits to be selected by the users
All they have to do is choose Unlimited on their Subscription settings and they'll get whatever someone sends.

Duane

moderated More attachment size selections requested

Glenn
 

Since many email providers limit incoming emails to 10MB and 25MB, it would be nice if groups.io allowed those limits to be selected by the users for their incoming attachment sizes, avoiding the need to click through to the attachment for more of the incoming messages from groups.io.

Better, would be to allow a specific number of MB, rather than just a menu of choices.

moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

Bob Bellizzi
 

Rick,
To test this issue, I started typing the message below and then cut off the wifi after the last word below.
I then terminated the instance of chrome that I was using to type my message online.
I waited 10 seconds and then reconnected the laptop wifi to the access point and
I then opened a new tab in Chrome (I had left Chrome running when I killed the wifi)
I reentered groups.io and selected Beta group.
Then I looked at my top draft of 8 outstanding and it was the message you see below
I selected it and was returned to the exact place where I exited from.

Yahoo never did save drafts when connections dropped out.
Sorry Rick, 
I reread your message and realized that it's possible you are operating in an email mode with groups.io.
If this is an email mode issue, it's definitely a software problem at your end.

There is no reason to expect the system to continually poll you once you are disconnected

--

Bob Bellizzi

moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

Bob Bellizzi
 

While I don't understand how turning off the internet to a computer is useful since, in most cases, you have an intervening router or wifi point and connection to the internet, I guess it might be handy around kids.

Having said that, I have found that I can simply sleep my laptop, even in the middle of composing an email and, when I fire it back up, it brings up at the point I left off.  If it was in the middle of  a compose, that's where I resume with no issue.
Possibly, that's a function of the OS and Google's Chrome browser, but anyway, it's seamless.

Also, since you gave no detail on which revision level of Internetoff you are using,nor what OS platform/rev and what browser & rev, I just reviewed Internetoff's website and rev 3.0 is out and it is supposed to fix the issues with Windows 10.


Bob Bellizzi

moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 03:05 PM, Janis wrote:
Photos viewed on the group websites are appearing blurred
I've noticed that photos viewed online will fill the available screen space (to some extent.)  If I look at the actual photo, it's fine.  The fuzziness (pixelation) shows up when the actual is much smaller than the screen.

Duane

moderated Re: Feature request: Cover photo in group message header

Janis
 

I prefer NOT to have an image tag.  There is no good reason for it in my view.  You could just add the group logo to your own posts if it is important to you.  

moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 09:15 PM, I wrote:
The GMF is a peer - to - peer group of Group Managers, not a Groups.io Managers' Forum.
Oops; mea cupla; wrong group.

More coffee needed. :(

Chris

moderated Re: Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 09:05 PM, Janis wrote:
Can you fix this please?
Sorry; we can't. The GMF is a peer - to - peer group of Group Managers, not a Groups.io Managers' Forum.

Chris

moderated Need for Better Quality Photo Viewing #done

Janis
 

Photos viewed on the group websites are appearing blurred.  One of my members who is a photographer asked if the upload process is causing a down res of the photos.  It really does seem to be a resolution problem.  Can you fix this please?  Thanks!  

This is not a resize problem.  We already took care of that issue and checked various photos added to the albums by transfer, computer uoload and email attachment.   Resizing in albums and emsils is turned off.

moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

Janis
 

Or it will be if you are still online when you begin it.  Yahoo did not save a draft so we lost messages if we left the page.

moderated Re: WEB posting Request.

Janis
 

I think your message would be saved as a draft automatically at Groups.io..