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locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Joseph Hudson
 

Do you know you guys got me thinking something. And Mark, maybe you would I have some type of way of implementing this. And I know a lot of the groups that I have a part of, our ones that are free and are grandfathered in. But I think, you should think of putting a donation button in one's account menu or some kind of pay button in the account menu if somebody does want to make a payment directly, end it would also save other owners from having to go and collect the amount. I will say, I am a member of over 20 different groups. So and let's say there were two or three more coming on board, and I wanted to pay in one swipe how would I go about doing that? I know if two groups that I haven't migrated yet they were thinking of migrating from Google groups. So would that would lead my cost over a dollar per year and I would like to just quit and be able to pay that fee either through PayPal or something along those lines in order to be a continuous member to those groups.

On Dec 17, 2020, at 4:40 PM, Drew <pubx1@af2z.net> wrote:

Yes, but collecting 55 cents a year from each of several thousand members, then unsubscribing those who don't pay, might not be so easy to do in practice. I sure wouldn't want that chore!

Drew



On 12/17/20 16:47, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Thanks for the correction. It works out to 55cents a year paid annually.
Little more than 1/2 dollar per year is still very reasonable.
MKR
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <http://groups.io> <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:08 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!
Having reread Mark's original post about this a couple of times it
appears to be 5 cents per /month/, not per year.
Chris




locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Peter Cook
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 05:40 PM, Drew wrote:
Yes, but collecting 55 cents a year from each of several thousand members, then unsubscribing those who don't pay, might not be so easy to do in practice.
My neighborhood civic association dues program does exactly that, and I designed it. It's really not that hard. 


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Drew
 

Yes, but collecting 55 cents a year from each of several thousand members, then unsubscribing those who don't pay, might not be so easy to do in practice. I sure wouldn't want that chore!

Drew

On 12/17/20 16:47, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Thanks for the correction. It works out to 55cents a year paid annually.
Little more than 1/2 dollar per year is still very reasonable.
MKR
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <http://groups.io> <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io <mailto:btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:08 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!
Having reread Mark's original post about this a couple of times it
appears to be 5 cents per /month/, not per year.
Chris


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:15 PM, ro-esp wrote:
50 posts a year vs 50 posts a day (....)
OK... so 50 posts a year is quiet, and 50 posts a day is busy.

However, there is huge gap in the middle; the group I co - own runs to a rough average of 15 posts per day from a total membership of not far short of 2000. (OK; many are lurkers!) 15 posts per day is thus neither quiet nor busy.

Chris


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Peter Cook
 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 05:50 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The non-profit Enterprise discount will continue
Mark, the pricing page says "If you are legally recognized as a non-profit organization..." Can you clarify - are you specifically referring to 501(c)(3), 501(c)(4), or other designations? It would be helpful to have that spelled out.

Pete


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

ro-esp
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:42 PM, Chris Jones wrote:

Does a quiet group with 1000 members always cost you more than a busy one
with just a few dozen?
First define "quiet" and "busy".
50 posts a year vs 50 posts a day (....)

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:48 PM Samuel Murrayy <samuelmurray@...> wrote:
Mark is, of course, free to do what he wants, but by capping free groups at 100 members he is essentially saying "no more free groups".  In most groups that I participate in, only 5-10% of members actively post, so "100 members" really means "5-10 members posting".  And one jiggabyte of storage sounds insane to me.  A 2000 member limit with 50 MB of storage would have made more sense.  But I'm not a techie -- perhaps that is the way modern pricing works: storage is cheap and signaling is expensive... is that right?
_._,_._,_

The average number of subscribers to each free group on Groups.io is 85. I don't know what the median is, but I suspect it's significantly lower than that.

I do appreciate all the feedback, please keep it coming.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Samuel Murrayy
 

Mark is, of course, free to do what he wants, but by capping free groups at 100 members he is essentially saying "no more free groups".  In most groups that I participate in, only 5-10% of members actively post, so "100 members" really means "5-10 members posting".  And one jiggabyte of storage sounds insane to me.  A 2000 member limit with 50 MB of storage would have made more sense.  But I'm not a techie -- perhaps that is the way modern pricing works: storage is cheap and signaling is expensive... is that right?


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

M K Ramadoss
 

Thanks for the correction. It works out to 55cents a year paid annually.
Little more than 1/2 dollar per year is still very reasonable.

MKR


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:21 PM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:08 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!
Having reread Mark's original post about this a couple of times it appears to be 5 cents per month, not per year.

Chris


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:59 PM, ro-esp wrote:
Does a quiet group with 1000 members always cost you more than a busy one with just a few dozen?
First define "quiet" and "busy".

Chris


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

 

I’m getting confused just reading this.


On Dec 17, 2020, at 1:14 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 02:59 PM, ro-esp wrote:
Is there a way to contribute financially if you don't have a paid group?
Here's a suggestion I made recently on GMF:
One option would be to create a test group (using the settings required by GIO - "If you are creating a group solely for testing, please ensure that the Visibility option is set for Group not listed in directory, private messages, otherwise the group will be deleted.") and upgrade it to Premium for a month now and then to show your appreciation.  That would keep folks from getting confused when your regular group has features that come and go.  You could also change it to a 'real' group later if you want.

Duane


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locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Duane
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 02:59 PM, ro-esp wrote:
Is there a way to contribute financially if you don't have a paid group?
Here's a suggestion I made recently on GMF:
One option would be to create a test group (using the settings required by GIO - "If you are creating a group solely for testing, please ensure that the Visibility option is set for Group not listed in directory, private messages, otherwise the group will be deleted.") and upgrade it to Premium for a month now and then to show your appreciation.  That would keep folks from getting confused when your regular group has features that come and go.  You could also change it to a 'real' group later if you want.

Duane


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

ro-esp
 

On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 11:50 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

the larger the group, the more it costs us to host.
Does a quiet group with 1000 members always cost you more than a busy one with just a few dozen?

Do you have any statistics on how many groups there are, how big they are and how busy?

Is there a way to contribute financially if you don't have a paid group?

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 08:08 PM, M K Ramadoss wrote:
Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!
Having reread Mark's original post about this a couple of times it appears to be 5 cents per month, not per year.

Chris


moderated Re: Allow members to mute other members #suggestion

Rick N
 

Most, if not all, email clients allow the creation of "rules" or "filters" that can be used to put selected messages directly in the trash. 

IF a car has seatbelts too short to fit properly, you don't ask the car's manufacturer to reengineer the seatbelt.

Rick

Virus-free. www.avast.com


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 10:57 AM David Bennett via groups.io <davidbennett=verizon.net@groups.io> wrote:
There is a member in my group who has taken an intense dislike to another member. Both members are respectful in their postings, and neither member violates the terms of membership.

However, the dislike is so strong that one member has left groups.io because he can't stand seeing posts from the other member.

To be able to keep both members in the group, there needs to be an option for the first member to mute the second member (and thus, never see the second member's posts). It would probably be easiest to implement by making the muting two-way. That is, the second member won't ever see the first member's posts, either, and thus won't be in a position of trying to reply to the first member when the reply will never be seen by the first member.


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

M K Ramadoss
 

Mark has to run a self sustaining business with a reasonable profit so that Group.io will survive and successful in the long run. The tech support users are getting is outstanding.

I host couple of groups; some with large number of members and most of them are lurkers. Cost of 5 cents per year should not be a burden for anyone!

MKR 


On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 1:59 PM Russell Courtenay via groups.io <walruswebtech=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I understand there are costs but I operate a large number of enthusiast groups from which I make no money, I do it because I enjoy the topic. Some of these groups get big, some don’t, some donate to cover expenses, some don’t get the concept that electrons are free but hosting costs money. 

If this was my commercial enterprise, I would include such costs in ‘cost of doing business’, no problem, how do we stay in touch with something that is not profitable but still very valuable?


locked Re: Pricing Changes #update

Russell Courtenay
 

I understand there are costs but I operate a large number of enthusiast groups from which I make no money, I do it because I enjoy the topic. Some of these groups get big, some don’t, some donate to cover expenses, some don’t get the concept that electrons are free but hosting costs money. 

If this was my commercial enterprise, I would include such costs in ‘cost of doing business’, no problem, how do we stay in touch with something that is not profitable but still very valuable?


moderated Atachment Removal #suggestion

billsf9c
 

Attachment removal seach in ~Groups Management list had no solution but agreements. I post a well stated excerp;

"IIRC Mark was considering / looking at ways of preventing duplicates being stored but I don't know if it came to anything or if it is still in the Pending Tray.

Suggestions for beta, I think.

Chris"

(For the present I am trying to learn how to remove repeated attachments without deleting an entire message.)

BillSF9c


moderated Combination of "hashtags required" and "messages moderated" sometimes causes posts to disappear #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- The following bug was recently reported by a user in GMF ( https://groups.io/g/Group_Help/message/1870 ).

If you require hashtags in the group and an incoming email does not meet those criteria, the message is held as a Draft until that person logs in and corrects the subject line. But if the message is also supposed to be moderated, it does not go into moderation after being fixed, nor does it bypass moderation and post. It simply disappears.

This occurs whether the message originated from a regular Member or an Owner. I've confirmed this with the following settings:
Spam Control > Message Moderation > All messages are moderated
Message Policies > Hashtags Required
Message Policies > Hashtag Permissions > Messages from members can only be tagged with existing hashtags, otherwise the message is bounced

I suspect that some other obscure combinations of settings could lead to the same behavior.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Dozens of gmail members suddenly bouncing - what's going on? #misc

 

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 09:27 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
there is no corresponding activity in the Activity Log, which is a bit inconsistent.

And arguably irksome.
Right, the total lack of logging owner messages has been *irksome* for a long, long time! When is this going to change?
 
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