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locked Re: suggestion about (replies to) digests

ro-esp
 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 04:11 pm, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I don't know if it would be too fancy (too much programming), but how
about automatically rejecting and sending back any message that has a
subjectline " re: [groupname] digest # ..."

As you mention, the digests are sent from ignore@groups.io, which is a
blackhole. So a simple reply to a digest won't get sent to the group. Are
you seeing people send messages with that subject line?
Not yet (we're all regulars here, right?), but I'd like to prevent it - and I do sometimes reply to digests myself, to reply to several posts of the same thread at once.

Rejecting and sending back messages sent to the "ignore" adress would be an improvement, but I'd also like those with the aforementioned subjectlines to be sent back. {I'm avoiding the word "bounce" because it has too many meanings]

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Possible bug?

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>
 

Hi all,
Sorry for the vague subject, but is there a possible bug with the one click unsubscribe feature?
I am receiving concerns or complaints from members saying they have received notification that they were unsubscribed. The strange thing is we owners and moderators are not getting such notifications. Also, when we check the members pages it is discovered that they are, in fact, still subscribed.
I did write to support, but thought I would ask here as well while we are on the subject of one click unsubscribe.
Thank you, any responses greatly appreciated.
Kindest regards
Chris H


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Mark,

Unsubscribe links in footers will now instantly unsubscribe you.
And thankfully the link works only once. The link coding changed after I undid an authorized "unauthorized" unsubscribe. I sent the link to a friend, who used it successfully once, but the old one failed after I resumed my subscription. I haven't sent him the new one... ;-)

The danger I was concerned with is that once I make the mistake of letting an unsubscribe link for me get into the hands of a malcontent whether I would have any way to prevent them from doing it to me again later. That concern is now put to bed. Thanks!

-- Shal


locked New Member Defaults #suggestion

 

At the moment, the "New Users Moderated" checkbox is the only group preference that controls the initial setting of a new member's Membership. Why not instead have a tab of the Settings page where the management can set defaults for the initial setting for every Members' preferences?

(Note: this is an update of an earlier idea, but this time with a more descriptive title. Was: "Membership Templates".)
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/message/784

At the moment this would include Email Delivery, Message Selection, Replies, and Posting Privileges.

I bring this up again as it seems a reasonable way to handle some of the concerns recently discussed. For example:

In #1679 Dano writes "Also, there was talk about an option for setting a limit on attachment size and substituting a link for messages over a certain size." I concur with his opinion that it should be part of the member's preferences. And if so, then the New Member Defaults" mechanism would provide a way for the group owners to tailor the feature to the needs of their less savvy members.

-- Shal


locked Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Mark,

Unsubscribe links in footers will now instantly unsubscribe you.
So, if I click on it from an unrecognized computer will the page say "Nothing happens."?

;-)

-- Shal


locked Re: Google Groups transfer

RS
 

Deed is done, group is warned.  Tell me what you need next, I'll make it happen.


locked Re: Google Groups transfer

RS
 

The ones I have are so old I don't think the members would be able to be contacted.  There's one that might be able to be contacted though.  I did just find a feature they have that might be worth cloning.  The "Roles" feature: Being able to create a custom role in the group and have it include a badge is pretty nice.  That was exactly what I was getting at in my post a while back about emulating certain forum tools.  Extraneous to some, awesome to others.  Not high priority by comparison to other things like photos and databases.  ;)



locked Re: Allowing owner/moderator to assist member settings

 

Mark,

I'm not sure how to handle changing someone's email address, as that's
much more invasive. Thoughts?
Although moderators of Yahoo Groups do get "this is my new address, please update my subscription" requests from members, I agree that giving this ability can lead to some thorny problems.

For one thing, in Groups.io the member's email address is not only the key to their subscription(s), but also to their profile. So a notification, as Linda suggested, to the old address would be a necessary step, at a minimum.

What happens if the old address has more than one subscription? In some sense it seems outrageous that a moderator of one group could affect the subscription list of another group. Yet that may be precisely what a naive group member needs and wants. So I'd say yes, to be useful it would have to affect all subscriptions under the old address (with the corresponding "address change" entry in the Activity Log of each group).

And what happens if the old address has an established password? This one I think is a bit easier. The old and new addresses should become aliases to the same profile. That way if the address change operation was mistaken or fraudulent the member wouldn't be denied access to their profile, and could sign in to correct the address change. And perhaps operate a preference to prevent future changes by moderators.

A more subtle problem is that the ability to change a member's email address may provide an circumvention to restrictions on Direct Add. Subscribe an address you control, then change it to your target address. Spammers would be likely to automate any such opportunity. I'm not sure there is a good solution to this. Even if Groups.io restricted a moderator to only one address change per day, automated spammers could employ thousands of moderators, in thousands of groups, each adding one more victim address per day. So perhaps the moderator privilege to change a member's email address would have to be guarded as closely as Direct Add. As Dano said, part of an upgraded (paid) group.

Those are some thoughts, but I'm sorry they haven't yet coalesced in my mind into a set of concrete recommendations.

-- Shal


locked Re: Instagram integration

Judy F.
 

Mark, will you still be planning on having photos in the group along with albums?  This is absolutely necessary for one of the groups that I own and also the buying and selling group.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:28 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Instagram integration

 

What the Instagram integration is, is a way to follow an Instagram account. Any pics posted to the followed Instagram account are automatically sent to the group. I'm not all that familiar with Instagram, but I'm guessing you could set up an account there and share it with people. Or you could follow multiple Instagram accounts.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Mark

 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Has anyone tried this yet? Can there be more than one person posting through the integration? Or do I need to create a specific Instagram account for my group if I want others to be able to post pictures to our group. Or if I enable it for my group, does that then move it into the Member Integrations area so that others can use it for their own accounts? Any limitation on the number of people using the integration?

I am not an Instagram user but I realize, especially with younger users, this would be popular.

Thanks.

Frances



 


locked Re: suggestion about (replies to) digests

Judy F.
 

Glad to hear that.  I thing I would like it better if it bounced back to the sender.  So many times we send something and we think it went and it’s probably still floating around in cyber land.  Hopefully the error message will explain why it is being returned and the sender doesn’t have to try and figure out why it was returned.

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 10:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] suggestion about (replies to) digests

 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:55 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, I just learned something new I think.  With Groups.io, you can’t reply to a digest, did I understand you comment below correctly?  I sure hope so because in Yahoo Groups, sometimes members forget and read a message in a digest, and hit reply (not at the bottom of the message, but from the email program and the entire digest appears in their reply.  This is great if Groups.io won’t let that happen. 

 

 

That's correct. If you hit the reply button to a digest, the address it goes to is a blackhole and it disappears. Perhaps I should change it so that it just bounces back to the person with an error message.

 

Mark


locked Wish - muted and followed for a specific group

Frances
 

I wish that we could see muted and followed within a particular group.

I always have to remember to go out of my specific group to the main inbox for all my groups. I keep hunting for the links!

However if it is only me, well, don’t worry about it. I will get used to it.

Frances


locked Google Groups transfer

 

Do you have a Google group that you'd like to transfer to groups.io? Please contact me off list. I'm not a moderator of any Google Groups of any size (I just have a test group), and I need an exported member list to write the import code against.

Thanks!
Mark


locked Re: Changing member name

RS
 

I think people will learn where it is.  I say try it out and see.  Thanks!


locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

  • Fixed a bug that in rare situations when a message is sent twice to a group could lead to an erroneous thread being displayed in the archives.
  • Fixed a crash when trying to resume a subscription that you've already resumed.
  • The Yahoo Groups transfer system now handles the case where a member has an undisclosed email address (they're ignored).
  • Moderators can now edit the name of a subscriber.
  • We're now stripping the footers of messages requiring approval (aka pending messages).

Mark


locked Re: Changing member name

 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 6:57 PM, <dalemonator@...> wrote:

Thanks for this thread.  As someone who has used Groups primarily to game with, I'll apply that lens to illustrate why I would prefer slightly different choices.

Thanks for your thoughts. This afternoon I pushed out the original changes I proposed, along with Linda's suggestion, that a user posting/replying on the web will get the modified name.

Per your suggestions, what about this: In addition to the moderator being able to change a member's name on a subscription, let the member also change the name on a per subscription basis? That is, change the Edit Subscription page to allow editing of the name on the subscription. Would that work for you? Would this be too confusing to users?

Of course, if a person sends an email to a group, all of this is currently ignored and whatever the email has for a name is kept.


Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Instagram integration

 

What the Instagram integration is, is a way to follow an Instagram account. Any pics posted to the followed Instagram account are automatically sent to the group. I'm not all that familiar with Instagram, but I'm guessing you could set up an account there and share it with people. Or you could follow multiple Instagram accounts.

Hope this helps.

Mark

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
Has anyone tried this yet? Can there be more than one person posting through the integration? Or do I need to create a specific Instagram account for my group if I want others to be able to post pictures to our group. Or if I enable it for my group, does that then move it into the Member Integrations area so that others can use it for their own accounts? Any limitation on the number of people using the integration?

I am not an Instagram user but I realize, especially with younger users, this would be popular.

Thanks.

Frances






locked Re: suggestion about (replies to) digests

 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:55 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Mark, I just learned something new I think.  With Groups.io, you can’t reply to a digest, did I understand you comment below correctly?  I sure hope so because in Yahoo Groups, sometimes members forget and read a message in a digest, and hit reply (not at the bottom of the message, but from the email program and the entire digest appears in their reply.  This is great if Groups.io won’t let that happen. 

 


That's correct. If you hit the reply button to a digest, the address it goes to is a blackhole and it disappears. Perhaps I should change it so that it just bounces back to the person with an error message.

Mark


locked Re: Changing member name

RS
 

Hi Mark,


Thanks for this thread.  As someone who has used Groups primarily to game with, I'll apply that lens to illustrate why I would prefer slightly different choices.

* It helps the feel of a game group to allow players to define their own display name within that group as a character's name.  Even if this was restricted just to moderator action, that would be great.  Thus each group should allow at least one alias for the player to post as.

* The group setting should override the profile identity, so that the player can freely join nay group, and be known as themselves, but for certain groups they choose, always be seen as their alias within that group.  Aliases (especially in gaming) vary for each group.  This logic would seem to be more beneficial to users on any given group as well, who may prefer to be known in one group by one alias, but by a very different one elsewhere. 

* agree that aliases should not transfer between groups. If you want the same alias between multiple groups either set up a new alias on each group. or else change your profile and only put aliases where you don't want it, which ever is less hassle for you personally.

* As far as mods & settings go, I would say having these options available within each group make sense to me:

  • A: Only Mods can add aliases (then mods can help members)
  • B: Members can add but mods must approve them (that way no inappropriate names get through) ** default **
  • C: Members set Aliases freely (amuse yourself, we're all adults here)
  • D: Aliases disabled (Transparency rules, works like it does today)

WIth these options in place, groups can be run the way that suits them best. I guess you could technically drop option D from the list, and just set it to option A and never add aliases, but then the preference would be less clear on the front page.  "Disabled" lets people know up front that it's not allowed.

+$0.02

Cheers.




locked Re: suggestion about (replies to) digests

Judy F.
 

Mark, I just learned something new I think.  With Groups.io, you can’t reply to a digest, did I understand you comment below correctly?  I sure hope so because in Yahoo Groups, sometimes members forget and read a message in a digest, and hit reply (not at the bottom of the message, but from the email program and the entire digest appears in their reply.  This is great if Groups.io won’t let that happen. 

 

If I’m wrong, maybe you can consider making it happen.

 

Thanks,

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2015 7:11 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] suggestion about (replies to) digests

 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:47 AM, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

In several groups I've seen a notification "please use a subjectline
that's clearer than 're: digest so and so'" - and then people STILL
use those subjectlines (and sometimes send along the entire digest..)

I don't know if it would be too fancy (too much programming), but how
about automatically rejecting and sending back any message that has a
subjectline
" re: [groupname] digest # ...."

 

As you mention, the digests are sent from ignore@groups.io, which is a blackhole. So a simple reply to a digest won't get sent to the group. Are you seeing people send messages with that subject line?

 

Thanks,

Mark


locked Re: suggestion about (replies to) digests

 

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 2:47 AM, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:
In several groups I've seen a notification "please use a subjectline
that's clearer than 're: digest so and so'" - and then people STILL
use those subjectlines (and sometimes send along the entire digest..)

I don't know if it would be too fancy (too much programming), but how
about automatically rejecting and sending back any message that has a
subjectline
" re: [groupname] digest # ..."


As you mention, the digests are sent from ignore@groups.io, which is a blackhole. So a simple reply to a digest won't get sent to the group. Are you seeing people send messages with that subject line?

Thanks,
Mark