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locked Re: Site Updates #changelog

Judy F.
 

Hi Mark, for the goodbye message item, is there any type of message that is being sent, i.e. rejection message? 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 8:23 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Site Updates #updates

 

Changes to the site today:

  • Easy Google Group transfer is now available, redid the transfer page.
  • Changed permissions so that only group owners can delete groups.
  • Work on tracking down duplicate emails.
  • All member notifications are now HTML, even if the group is plaintext only.
  • Don't send goodbye message to a pending member that's been rejected.
  • New member notice: rejected application

Mark


locked Site Updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

  • Easy Google Group transfer is now available, redid the transfer page.
  • Changed permissions so that only group owners can delete groups.
  • Work on tracking down duplicate emails.
  • All member notifications are now HTML, even if the group is plaintext only.
  • Don't send goodbye message to a pending member that's been rejected.
  • New member notice: rejected application

Mark


locked Re: Wish - muted and followed for a specific group

 

Hi Frances,

On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 8:40 PM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
I wish that we could see muted and followed within a particular group.

I always have to remember to go out of my specific group to the main inbox for all my groups. I keep hunting for the links!

However if it is only me, well, don’t worry about it. I will get used to it.

It's not just you. I've got this on the todo list. It's not difficult to do, really the thing I'm trying to figure out is where to put the links to those. If I put them in the sidebar, that might make the sidebar really looooong. But I'm not sure where else they should go.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Pending members

 

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 5:47 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I've been playing with this area this morning.  One thing I would like to see added to the Pending members page is a reject button with a predefinable (is that even a word?) message to be included.  One of my groups is restricted to paying members of our club.  I'd like a Reject to include information on how they could join, maybe even a file attachment.

I was surprised there wasn't a reject message; clearly an oversight on my part. You can now specify a Reject message which will be sent if you reject a pending subscription.

I also noticed that if I declined to let them (actually my "user" account) join they were sent the Goodbye message, even though they'd never really been a member.  Having the separate Reject option should take care of that.

This has been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Delete Group

Judy F.
 

Thanks Mark. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 7:02 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Delete Group

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:46 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

I agree with you also David.  I know I don't want a moderator to have full
access, meaning they can delete a group.  They may be your buddy today, but
tomorrow they may be vindictive and what better way to get even than to
delete the group.

 

I just pushed the change. Only owners can delete a group now.

 

Thanks,

Mark 


locked Re: No returns in Welcome message

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 4:03 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
More playing this morning.  I noticed that the Welcome message was one long paragraph instead of the 7 distinct sections that it should be.  The Goodbye was also one block instead of 2.  I think this was a problem in the past that got fixed, but seems to have reverted.

I believe this was an issue with plain text only groups. I've changed it so that all member notices (welcome/pending/leave/etc) are now HTML and when editing/creating them, you get the HTML editor. 

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Delete Group

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 3:46 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:
I agree with you also David.  I know I don't want a moderator to have full
access, meaning they can delete a group.  They may be your buddy today, but
tomorrow they may be vindictive and what better way to get even than to
delete the group.


I just pushed the change. Only owners can delete a group now.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Delete Group

Frances
 

I totally agree that moderators shouldn’t be able to delete a group. Perhaps they should not have access to the members’ list too. 

However it might be useful for Activity to show in the moderators’ view of the group interface. This would mean that moderators could troubleshoot problems. We probably need more experience to see how important this is, though.

Frances

On Feb 16 15, at 6:46 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

I agree with you also David.  I know I don't want a moderator to have full
access, meaning they can delete a group.  They may be your buddy today, but
tomorrow they may be vindictive and what better way to get even than to
delete the group.  

I'm not saying that all moderators are like that, but believe me there are a
few and I certainly don't want to be a victim.  

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA



locked Re: Delete Group

Judy F.
 

I agree with you also David. I know I don't want a moderator to have full
access, meaning they can delete a group. They may be your buddy today, but
tomorrow they may be vindictive and what better way to get even than to
delete the group.

I'm not saying that all moderators are like that, but believe me there are a
few and I certainly don't want to be a victim.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: David P. Dillard [mailto:jwne@temple.edu]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 5:13 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Delete Group



I fully agree with this also, it is dangerous for moderators to have this
option and power.


Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu


On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Linda Star-Freedman wrote:

Hi Mark
That's perfectly logical to me!
Thanks,
Linda

How about if I change it so that Delete Group isn't a privilege, it's
just something that only group owners
can do (not moderators)?



locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

 

What I am looking for is how to post a picture in a post. I'm
not seeing it yet. Really wet behind the ears here but I did
search and saw nothing related on that.
If you are composing in HTML mode (see below the bottom right
corner of the reply window) you can drag-and-drop an image into
the compose window, but only if the image is already hosted
somewhere online. Say for example this image from Flickr:

[image removed in conversion to plain text]

I don't see inserting photos uploaded from your computer in
Mark's to-do list, but it probably should be there alongside
attachments.

-- Shal
What happens to imbedded graphics? Will they be saved with Photos? Will we
be able to move them to appropriate folders?

I know attachments work from email, but I don't see a way to do a regular
attachment on the web site either.

I'm guessing these are all details to be dealt with in the future.

Dano


locked Re: Delete Group

Marlin47
 


Mark, I have a suggestion for that, please do not ever consider a requirement of a poll that asks members to vote on a new moderator.

Why?    Well, for example,  there is a group on Yahoogroups I would love to become a moderator of, but, there is no way in the world that I am willing to show all the spammers on there what my email address is.

These guys are sending the most vile messages you can imagine to what was once a very good group, but there is no way I would want  a hundred or so of those guys to know what my email address is, as I would become, well, a target.

I would think if you sent a message to the indicated owner and it bounced back to you, for a period of (X) number of days (a value you can determine) that you can consider the owner to be nonexistent.

At that point, just interview the person asking to be made moderator, via email, you certainly ought to be able to decide whether he is legitimate, and make him a moderator.

Maybe without the ability to delete the group, that would be fine.

Marlin





On 2/16/2015 4:06 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:38 AM, <robertgmam@...> wrote:
Fine in theory but in practice this has been a problem on Yahell where owners have vanished and mods are left trying to run the group. In my case I would like to delete the group as I have replaced it with one of which I am the owner (and taken the members with me). I can't as I don't have the privilege but would like to as a protest against the abomination that is 'neo'. In time I intend to migrate my group to groups.io but it would be nice to eliminate both from Y! Groups. I don't know how this scenario would play out on groups.io, but it might arise(god forbid!).
 
I understand, but I think that's tangental to how the Delete Group privilege should be handled (the now vanished owner might not have granted you the Delete Group privilege to begin with). 

I know some discussion has started here about how to handle groups when owners disappear, and I think that's a very important discussion. I have not participated in the discussion so far, because this isn't really an issue yet with a new service like Groups.io, and I have to prioritize my focus. But like I said, I know it's important, and I absolutely want to have a system/policy in place to deal with it.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Delete Group

David P. Dillard
 

I fully agree with this also, it is dangerous for moderators to have this option and power.


Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Mon, 16 Feb 2015, Linda Star-Freedman wrote:

Hi Mark
That's perfectly logical to me!
Thanks,
Linda

How about if I change it so that Delete Group isn't a privilege, it's just something that only group owners
can do (not moderators)?


locked Re: Delete Group

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:38 AM, <robertgmam@...> wrote:
Fine in theory but in practice this has been a problem on Yahell where owners have vanished and mods are left trying to run the group. In my case I would like to delete the group as I have replaced it with one of which I am the owner (and taken the members with me). I can't as I don't have the privilege but would like to as a protest against the abomination that is 'neo'. In time I intend to migrate my group to groups.io but it would be nice to eliminate both from Y! Groups. I don't know how this scenario would play out on groups.io, but it might arise(god forbid!).
 
I understand, but I think that's tangental to how the Delete Group privilege should be handled (the now vanished owner might not have granted you the Delete Group privilege to begin with). 

I know some discussion has started here about how to handle groups when owners disappear, and I think that's a very important discussion. I have not participated in the discussion so far, because this isn't really an issue yet with a new service like Groups.io, and I have to prioritize my focus. But like I said, I know it's important, and I absolutely want to have a system/policy in place to deal with it.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

 

Carol,

> What I am looking for is how to post a picture in a post. I'm not
> seeing it yet. Really wet behind the ears here but I did search and saw
> nothing related on that.

If you are composing in HTML mode (see below the bottom right corner of the reply window) you can drag-and-drop an image into the compose window, but only if the image is already hosted somewhere online. Say for example this image from Flickr:

Magic Mountain fun

I don't see inserting photos uploaded from your computer in Mark's to-do list, but it probably should be there alongside attachments.


-- Shal



locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

Frances
 

Carol,

You can post a picture if you do it from email. You can’t do it from the website.
Here’s a test.


Frances

On Feb 16 15, at 1:40 PM, cshenk1@... wrote:

Hi Mark,

 

New here.  Still looking on how to trim online even.  No, Yahoo only obfuscates emails if the moderators set it to do that. 

 

What I am looking for is how to post a picture in a post.  I'm not seeing it yet.  Really wet behind the ears here but I did search and saw nothing related on that.

  Carol 



locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

cshenk1@...
 

Hi Mark,

 

New here.  Still looking on how to trim online even.  No, Yahoo only obfuscates emails if the moderators set it to do that. 

 

What I am looking for is how to post a picture in a post.  I'm not seeing it yet.  Really wet behind the ears here but I did search and saw nothing related on that.

  Carol 


locked Re: Delete Group

 

Fine in theory but in practice this has been a problem on Yahell where owners have vanished and mods are left trying to run the group. In my case I would like to delete the group as I have replaced it with one of which I am the owner (and taken the members with me). I can't as I don't have the privilege but would like to as a protest against the abomination that is 'neo'. In time I intend to migrate my group to groups.io but it would be nice to eliminate both from Y! Groups. I don't know how this scenario would play out on groups.io, but it might arise(god forbid!).

Robert.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
From: Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, 16 February 2015 17:12
To: beta@groups.io
Reply To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delete Group

On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Speaking of Delete Group,

I'm still hoping you'll separate this command in the Moderator list soon:

Modify Group Settings Or Delete Group

I need to have moderators capable of dealing with settings, but I don't want to give anyone else the right to delete the group.


How about if I change it so that Delete Group isn't a privilege, it's just something that only group owners can do (not moderators)?

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Delete Group

Linda
 

Hi Mark
That's perfectly logical to me!
Thanks,
Linda

> How about if I change it so that Delete Group isn't a privilege, it's just something that only group owners can do (not moderators)?


locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]

Oddly, I checked two other groups I belong to. I am owner of one and moderator of the other. In both in View Original, I can see the full email address. I cannot see that in Beta where I am simply a member. The email address in Beta is truncated in View Original.
_._,_._,_

We obfuscate emails unless you're a moderator or owner of the group. My understanding is that's how Y! Groups does it as well.

And as for replying directly to the person off-list, that's on the todo list.


Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

Frances
 

Just tried another login for a group. And there, when I am simply a member, I could not see the full email address in View Original.