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locked Re: Delete Group

 

Brenda,
I fully agree with you that naming a successor is the way forward, as long as it is well publicised and positively encouraged, but perhaps not compulsory ( I'm throwing a bone there to those who object to mods actually doing anything!).

Regards,
Robert.

-----Original Message-----
From: Feathered Leader
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 1:27 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delete Group

Robert wrote:>>This is a scenario, which needs to have a better solution here, I feel.<<

I agree. Hence the idea of the owner being allowed to name a successor, to be given ownership of the group if something happened to them.

It doesn't have to be someone who is actively participating much in the group, it can be a spouse or friend, or someone else who can inform the group something happened to the owner, and then select a new owner.

Brenda



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locked Re: Delete Group

Judy F.
 

Brenda, I'm aware of what a moderator should do, I am a moderators on several groups and owner on several others. I wasn't asking the question as a question, I was making a point that if the moderator doesn't have the access they need, then why have a moderator.

I am not in total agreement with having numerous moderators. The buying and selling group that I refer to has two moderators, me and one other. That group has 18,000+ members and it is very busy. We have the duties divided and it runs smoothly. Now I'm not saying that will work for all groups, but it does with this one.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 8:23 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delete Group

Judy wrote:>>I guess my question then would be why have a moderator if they can't moderate fully and then includes giving them access to the member list. <<

Okay, you might be sorry you asked but I'll explain it.

There are all kinds of moderators you can have on a group. Some can be full moderators, and can do everything, and some are for specific things.

For example, on MM I have/had a number of moderators to assist me.

Some were just for approving messages when I wasn't around.
Others had more power and could change posting privileges.
Some just needed to be able to work in the database or files and upload things.
And some were full moderators.

I've since lost several of them, which was why it was harder to maintain MM on my own, but I've gained some back on MMSanctuary.

And before someone asks the next question, why do you need so many moderators, well I'll answer that.

For approving messages, I tried to have someone in all time zones or at least as much as possible to keep round the clock approval working. People were coming in by the bunches and I needed help with that when they posted.

For changing member posting privileges, only a few people were aware of who was on permanent moderation and who wasn't, so I didn't give that option to all.

For files and database, I had a few that worked mostly with that. Yes, they could approve messages, but that wasn't their main thing.

And you always want to have more than 1 or 2 moderators in case something happens to some. I lost David early on, (problems getting through to the group), and I haven't been able to track down Jan yet and bring her over here.

And when others left Yahoo, I lost them.

Hope that explains it.

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

Nightowl >8#
 

Robert wrote:>>This is a scenario, which needs to have a better solution here, I feel.<<

I agree. Hence the idea of the owner being allowed to name a successor, to be given ownership of the group if something happened to them.

It doesn't have to be someone who is actively participating much in the group, it can be a spouse or friend, or someone else who can inform the group something happened to the owner, and then select a new owner.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

Judy wrote:>>I guess my question then would be why have a moderator if they can't moderate fully and then includes giving them access to the member list. <<

Okay, you might be sorry you asked but I'll explain it.

There are all kinds of moderators you can have on a group. Some can be full moderators, and can do everything, and some are for specific things.

For example, on MM I have/had a number of moderators to assist me.

Some were just for approving messages when I wasn't around.
Others had more power and could change posting privileges.
Some just needed to be able to work in the database or files and upload things.
And some were full moderators.

I've since lost several of them, which was why it was harder to maintain MM on my own, but I've gained some back on MMSanctuary.

And before someone asks the next question, why do you need so many moderators, well I'll answer that.

For approving messages, I tried to have someone in all time zones or at least as much as possible to keep round the clock approval working. People were coming in by the bunches and I needed help with that when they posted.

For changing member posting privileges, only a few people were aware of who was on permanent moderation and who wasn't, so I didn't give that option to all.

For files and database, I had a few that worked mostly with that. Yes, they could approve messages, but that wasn't their main thing.

And you always want to have more than 1 or 2 moderators in case something happens to some. I lost David early on, (problems getting through to the group), and I haven't been able to track down Jan yet and bring her over here.

And when others left Yahoo, I lost them.

Hope that explains it.

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

 

In my experience the moderator ends up doing far more than just moderating messages/ file uploads etc. I am one of several moderators on one particular group, which has one owner. All are nominally active, but, in practice, I find I am the only one actually doing anything, to the point that I am effectively running the group, dealing with spam, moderating and unmoderating members, removing spammers and banning as necessary. If it weren't for me taking the initiative, the group would have been overrun with spam and full of bouncing members years ago. Never underestimate the value of a good and active moderator! It is essential that I have access to the list of members and most of the powers of an owner ( sensibly granted by the owner). As long as the owner doesn't completely abandon the group or die, I will have no need of the ability to delete the group and no desire to have that ability, but, if the owner did fall by the wayside things could be quite different. I could keep things running perfectly well as a mere moderator, only because I have been granted all the necessary powers.

In the case of the other group of which I am one of two moderators, the owner has almost certainly died and the other moderator is equally uncontactable. Without banning powers on that group and with new members not being automatically moderated, I have been unable to moderate effectively and it became increasingly overrun with spammers. Under Y! it was quite impossible to gain ownership and in the end I had to set up a new 'lifeboat' group as owner and get the remaining active members to join it, then I abandoned the old group to its fate. This is a scenario, which needs to have a better solution here, I feel.

Robert.

-----Original Message-----
From: J. Faulkner
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 12:34 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: RE: [beta] Re: Delete Group

I guess my question then would be why have a moderator if they can't moderate fully and then includes giving them access to the member list.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


-----Original Message-----
From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:15 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delete Group

Frances,

Some may have said that, I can't remember, but it should at least be an option, because for example, I'm not able to be here all the time anymore like I used to, to adjust member settings when needed.

I think it would be fine as an option, for the owner to choose who can have that access.

Sorry if there was any confusion.

Brenda







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locked Re: Delete Group

Judy F.
 

I guess my question then would be why have a moderator if they can't moderate fully and then includes giving them access to the member list.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@att.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2015 6:15 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Delete Group

Frances,

Some may have said that, I can't remember, but it should at least be an option, because for example, I'm not able to be here all the time anymore like I used to, to adjust member settings when needed.

I think it would be fine as an option, for the owner to choose who can have that access.

Sorry if there was any confusion.

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

 

Hi Brenda,


On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:
Mark, an important question.

Regarding owners disappearing, (which I know you said you will discuss at a later date),

Is it ok here for us to have 2 or more than e-mail addresses subscribed as an owner? For example, In my Yahoo groups, I always had two IDs as owner in case something happened to one of them.

Yep, that's fine. There are no rules about that.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Delete Group

Nightowl >8#
 

Frances,

Some may have said that, I can't remember, but it should at least be an option, because for example, I'm not able to be here all the time anymore like I used to, to adjust member settings when needed.

I think it would be fine as an option, for the owner to choose who can have that access.

Sorry if there was any confusion.

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

Frances
 

Sorry, I thought that some earlier said that they did not want anyone apart from the owner(s) getting hold of membership lists. I am easy about that!

Frances

On Feb 17 15, at 6:05 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Frances wrote:>>I totally agree that moderators shouldn’t be able to delete a group. Perhaps they should not have access to the members’ list too.<<
Brenda wrote:
No, I disagree on the members list. I need my moderators to be able to have access to that and to help me maintain the settings on the members when needed.


locked Re: Problem with reply marker

Nightowl >8#
 

Hmmm. The blue line is back, maybe I just did something wrong.

Sorry about that,

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

Nightowl >8#
 

Frances wrote:>>I totally agree that moderators shouldn’t be able to delete a group. Perhaps they should not have access to the members’ list too.<<

No, I disagree on the members list. I need my moderators to be able to have access to that and to help me maintain the settings on the members when needed.

As for not letting moderators have the ability to delete a group, I would still be fine with it if the owner selected the moderator to give that ability to. But that's why Mark would have to separate "Modify Group Settings and Delete Group" into two privileges for that, so that Delete Group would be by it self as a choice.

Brenda


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Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

I just replied to the Delete Group thread, and there was no blue line marker that I could locate when I tried to get back to the message I had replied to.

Has it disappeared again for some reason, or did I do something wrong?

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark, an important question.

Regarding owners disappearing, (which I know you said you will discuss at a later date),

Is it ok here for us to have 2 or more than e-mail addresses subscribed as an owner? For example, In my Yahoo groups, I always had two IDs as owner in case something happened to one of them.

I also frequently have JohnF be owner or Moderator of them as yet another backup.

So are multiple IDs allowed to be present in an IO group as owner or moderators to give us a backup if something happens to one of the e-mail addresses? I don't make a secret of who they are, it's not like I'm pretending to be someone else.

Thanks, & please let me know

Brenda


locked Re: Delete Group

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark wrote:>>How about if I change it so that Delete Group isn't a privilege, it's just something that only group owners can do (not moderators)?<<

Hi Mark,

That would work for me too. :) Sorry it took me so long to reply.

Brenda


locked Re: Replying to poster off-list

 

On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 11:00 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Is there a way to reply to a poster off-list? I'm not finding it if there is.

I just pushed this to the site. Now when you reply to a message on the site, you can reply to the sender or reply to the group.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: No returns in Welcome message

 

We always send a plain text part with our HTML emails.

Thanks,
Mark

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Laurence Taylor <g7mzh@...> wrote:
On 17 Feb 2015 00:04, Mark Fletcher wrote:

> I believe this was an issue with plain text only groups. I've changed it
> so that all member notices (welcome/pending/leave/etc) are now HTML and
> when editing/creating them, you get the HTML editor.

Does this mean that plain text readers are sent HTML? Or will there be a
plain text part also?

--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: No returns in Welcome message

Laurence Taylor
 

On 17 Feb 2015 00:04, Mark Fletcher wrote:

I believe this was an issue with plain text only groups. I've changed it
so that all member notices (welcome/pending/leave/etc) are now HTML and
when editing/creating them, you get the HTML editor.
Does this mean that plain text readers are sent HTML? Or will there be a
plain text part also?

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Wish - muted and followed for a specific group

 

Mark,

It's not difficult to do, really the thing I'm trying to figure out is
where to put the links to those. If I put them in the sidebar, that
might make the sidebar really looooong. But I'm not sure where else they
should go.
You could model it on the way it is done at the main page.

At a group's pages the Messages and HashTags in the sidebar could show the list of all messages and hashtags (as they do now).

If the member has any followed or muted threads then the Messages tab could grow Muted and/or Followed sub-tabs. Clicking one of those shows the appropriate subset in the Threads, Messages, or Expanded views.

Likewise for HashTags. Though in the case of HashTags it looks like there's plenty of room for a Followed column and a Muted column in a group's Hashtags list, and if those column headings were sortable it isn't clear that the subset tabs would be needed.

Speaking of the main page, its Hashtags could use the [Threads] link found in the group's Hashtag list. And again maybe columns for Muted and Followed instead of sub-tabs would be more facile to use, so long as all columns are sortable. Does there need to be any difference, other than the Group column, between the Hashtags list on the main page and on a Groups' page?

Going back to messages, I'd almost suggest that Muted and Followed just be columns in the thread/message list too. There are only two columns now. But those lists seem busy enough (with the content snippet, author, and message count), and I expect those lists to be much longer, so in this case the sub-tabs may be more facile to use.

Or am I looking at things sideways again?

-- Shal


locked Re: Site Updates #changelog

Judy F.
 

Thanks that clears that up. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Monday, February 16, 2015 8:33 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Site Updates #updates

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, for the goodbye message item, is there any type of message that is being sent, i.e. rejection message? 

 

 

If you reject a pending subscriber and do not have a rejection message defined, then no message is sent to them.

 

Thanks,

Mark 


locked Re: Site Updates #changelog

 

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 5:31 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Hi Mark, for the goodbye message item, is there any type of message that is being sent, i.e. rejection message? 

 


If you reject a pending subscriber and do not have a rejection message defined, then no message is sent to them.

Thanks,
Mark