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Re: Wiki question

Frances

#1220

Hi

I created a wiki in Groups.io for 1A-Travelzine (I am a moderator.)

Yes, I agree “home” could be confusing. However, in my wiki, that is an index page to the subsidiary pages.

If you click on the Beta wiki, and go to the bottom of the page, you will see what I mean. You need to be able to move back to this “home” page.

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/beta/wiki

So the concept of “home” is useful. But how about Wiki Home? Main would work too.

Frances

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On Jan 25 15, at 10:44 AM, CatWoman <diana@...> wrote:

The `only "wiki" I've used, AFAIK, is Wikipedia.

So - when I click on the wiki link on the home page
of the group - there are 3 words across the top -
Beta, Wiki, and apparently the page title.

Wiki is still a link.

Beta link takes you to the group's home page,
but clicking Wiki keeps leaving you on "Home".

That was a bit confusing for me - any chance
those can be re-named to "<group> Home", and
have the first page of the Wiki called "Main"?

I expected "Home" to refer to the home page of
the group, and with Wiki a clickable link on the
top - I kept clicking it.

I'm not sure this is making sense because I've
never worked with this before, just that "Home"
was confusing in this context.

dg

Wiki question

Diana Gregory

#1219

The `only "wiki" I've used, AFAIK, is Wikipedia.

So - when I click on the wiki link on the home page
of the group - there are 3 words across the top -
Beta, Wiki, and apparently the page title.

Wiki is still a link.

Beta link takes you to the group's home page,
but clicking Wiki keeps leaving you on "Home".

That was a bit confusing for me - any chance
those can be re-named to "<group> Home", and
have the first page of the Wiki called "Main"?

I expected "Home" to refer to the home page of
the group, and with Wiki a clickable link on the
top - I kept clicking it.

I'm not sure this is making sense because I've
never worked with this before, just that "Home"
was confusing in this context.

dg

Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

David P. Dillard

#1218

I certainly agree that it makes lots of sense to keep the database feature seperate from the Wiki feature and to make the database tool like what folks are used to on Yahoo Groups of old with improvements seen to make it better.

However one need not fear using the Wiki feature on Groups IO as it works just like Wordpress and Google Sites, both of which I find very easy to use for simple text and linked documents.

One can easily build content on a Word document or its equivalent and simply paste this preformated content including hyperlinked text and color from the Word document or other source right into the Wiki and it works just fine.

Here is a link to the page I just created:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/ wiki/Articles-Published-by-David-Dillard

OR

http://tinyurl.com/mo99vzl

Warning, I use content pages like this Wiki to share information, not to create artistic and beautifully designed websites.  Others will need to teach these skills if they are applicable to this Wiki.

Furthermore, there is only one WAVE accessibility error for the documment I created, which is excellent.  WAVE seems to want a title above the black bar and in checking on edit I could not find a way to put a title there.
If anyone knows how to do this, I am all eyes (this being a print rather than audio media).

Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

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On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:

Add me in as a second vote for a database.
On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

      Judy,

      You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to
      use.

      Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki,
      or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature.

      Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use
      the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for
      us. :)

      Brenda

Re: Suggestion for files settings

Duane

#1217

pnrfan,

You may be on to something there, using the calendar.  I had done a test a few days ago to see what the Reminder looks like when emailed.  It seems to contain the text from the Description box, Date, and Location.  Other than having a Date and Location included, it shouldn't be too bad.  I'm pretty sure that the Date can't be blank.  I'm not sure about Location, but I think it can.  I guess you could enter the group name here, just so it wouldn't be blank?  Set up an Event, Repeat... for whatever interval and Never Ends.  It does have the weekly, monthly, yearly, and a few other options.

Off to test!

Duane

Re: Suggestion for files settings

Trish

#1216

I'm going to play around with the calendar feature for this and see if it can meet my groups' needs.

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...> wrote:

Oh yes please. I have uploaded welcome messages to my lists which contain some guidelines. Currently, members have to view it on the website. Thanks, any updates greatly appreciated.

On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:39, pnrfan@... wrote:

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date.

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

Thanks
Trish

Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Robert Maidment-Wilson

#1215

Brenda (and Mark),

I vote for a database facility. Mainly because I think I know what that is. A 'wiki'? I know what wikipedia is but beyond that I really don't know what a 'wiki' is in the context of 'groups'!

Regards,

Robertm

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.

From: Feathered Leader

Sent: Sunday, 25 January 2015 07:40

To: beta@groups.io

Reply To: beta@groups.io

Subject: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki, or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature..

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for us. :)

Brenda

Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Trish

#1214

Add me in as a second vote for a database.

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On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Judy,
You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to use.
Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki, or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature.
Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for us. :)
Brenda

Re: Cover photo

Shal Farley

#1213

JohnF,

However, I think there should be an option for no scaling at all.  As an 
example, we had a family group on Yahoo, and when something major 
happened to a certain family member, we would change the group image to 
be one of that person.  Stretching or squashing that image would just 
ruin it, I see what you mean.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/shalstest

Apparently it goofs up on images that are too close to square aspect ratio. No way the result should be rescaled by a different ratio on one axis than the other.

-- Shal

Re: Easy yahoo group transfer instructions

Shal Farley

#1211

Mark,

Unfortunately, the member list that I can download does not include a 
list of who's a moderator/owner.eh?

I think the returned JSON includes a "moderatorStatus" field, with content "OWNER" or "MODERATOR" when present. The field is absent from members' records. At least it did when I examined it nearly a year ago.

I'm not sure why Sam didn't include it in his Chrome export app. I'm equally unsure why I haven't noticed until now, or have forgotten that detail.  ;-)

-- Shal

Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

RS

#1210

Another possible compromise: Let mods rename their tabs as they see fit.

Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

Shal Farley

#1209

David,

Importantly, the word archive gives a sense of messages or records or 
documents ranging over a period of time.  The term messages has less of 
the concept of a collection of posts in chronological order that 
represent the sharings of a discussion group.Likewise, I prefer the word Archive because of two implications the word carries: shared and permanent. 

But I may be overreacting to a few instances (reported in the Yahoo Groups moderator groups YGOG and GMF) of novice moderators ripping through the Messages, deleting as they read them because they thought that was a kind of personal inbox. 

Mark,

Speaking of which maybe, and especially when a user clicks through to a message from "Your Inbox", it may make sense to put a more explicit warning on the Delete function. Perhaps "Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the Message Archives of GROUPNAME? This cannot be undone." 

The problem with "Archives" in the Groups.io context is that Files (and future Photos and/or Links) areas are no less Archival in nature than the messages. That's the flip side of others' observation that new members won't expect to find (current) messages there - the word doesn't specify the type of content.

A compromise might be to label them "Messages" in the left column, but "Message Archives" in the breadcrumb bar at the top of the page (where there's more room).

-- Shal

Re: Suggestion for files settings

christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...>

#1208

Oh yes please. I have uploaded welcome messages to my lists which contain some guidelines. Currently, members have to view it on the website. Thanks, any updates greatly appreciated.

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On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:39, pnrfan@... wrote:

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date.

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

Thanks
Trish

Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#

#1207

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on whether we can have a database instead of a wiki, or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database feature.

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for us. :)

Brenda

Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#

#1206

Mark,

One other thing. The kids/young adults have just started a group on here to test it out. You can find that group here:

https://groups.io/org/groupsio/CorysHouse

Brenda

Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.

#1205

Brenda, we keep talking about a Database, then someone says something about Wiki. What are we really talking about? I’m used to the database feature in Yahoo Groups. Is that what you are wanting? If yes, I’m for it also since a lot of the sewing/quilting/embroidery groups use the database feature to get information from their members. Example: I have a database set up for members to provide their name, location, type of machine they have, what embroidery programs they have. This helps others if they need to contact someone that has a machine that they do.

Same with Polls. There hasn’t been much talk about those either.

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

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From: Feathered Leader [mailto:featheredleader@...]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 11:34 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

Mark,

I've been in touch with the young people who had the 130,000 member network that they wound up deleting on Yahoo. They were unable to use it anymore because NEO had screwed up the database.

These kids, teenagers and twenty-somethings, had a network across the continent, and mobilized in the thousands against Yahoo NEO when it hit. I do not know if they understand how to use a wiki, but I do know that if you agree to implement a database feature, that is what they need the most.

They used the database feature to help each other with homework, set things up like vents and tutoring, keep records, and more. Losing the database pretty much crippled their groups. Having a new place to come and use, that includes a database feature would be just what they need.

And they aren't the only ones...I can get you a lot of people whose groups were ruined because of the database being broken in Yahoo.

Maybe you could start a database poll in here or something, but I assure you, the biggest deal breaker for people wanting to leave Yahoo, was there was no database offeredI hope

I hope that you will take this under serious consideration.

Thanks,

Brenda

The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#

#1204
Edited

Mark,

I've been in touch with the young people who had the 130,000 member network that they wound up deleting on Yahoo. They were unable to use it anymore because NEO had screwed up the database.

These kids, teenagers and twenty-somethings, had a network across the continent, and mobilized in the thousands against Yahoo NEO when it hit. I do not know if they understand how to use a wiki, but I do know that if you agree to implement a database feature, that is what they need the most.

They used the database feature to help each other with homework, set things up like events and tutoring, keep records, and more. Losing the database pretty much crippled their groups. Having a new place to come and use, that includes a database feature would be just what they need.

And they aren't the only ones...I can get you a lot of people whose groups were ruined because of the database being broken in Yahoo.

Maybe you could start a database poll in here or something, but I assure you, the biggest deal breaker for people wanting to leave Yahoo, was there was no database feature offered.

I hope that you will take this under serious consideration.

Thanks,

Brenda

Re: Suggestion for files settings

Linda

#1203

Hi Trish,
I also have files that automatically are sent out when new members join, in addition to the welcome message.  I hope Mark will add that.

As far as your need for scheduled files "once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date", the calendar on Groups.io makes that possible.

Linda

Re: Suggestion for files settings

D R Stinson

#1202

Duane - This was discussed earlier as there were others with the same concern. The discussion seemed to lead to the recommendation that there be a setting for individual members that could be turned on so that attachments over a certain size would be replaced with a link on the message that would take the reader to the attachment. - Dano

Re: Suggestion for files settings

Trish

#1201

I need something that repeats on certain cycles unrelated to the Welcome, Pending, Goodbye and Banned features.

Yes, I'd be curious to know how it works for people still on dial up. I have one member in a rural area who can't get a faster internet speed in her area.

Trish

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On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I'm sure the scheduled messages have been discussed, but I don't think an attachment was mentioned. There are currently options for Welcome, Pending, Goodbye, and Banned. If it were me, it would contain a link to the file on the group, especially if it's very large. I have several members still on dialup, so I try to minimize message size. (side note: Has anyone else tried to access NEO on dialup? ;>)

Duane

Re: Suggestion for files settings

Duane

#1200

I'm sure the scheduled messages have been discussed, but I don't think an attachment was mentioned.  There are currently options for Welcome, Pending, Goodbye, and Banned.  If it were me, it would contain a link to the file on the group, especially if it's very large.  I have several members still on dialup, so I try to minimize message size.  (side note:  Has anyone else tried to access NEO on dialup? ;>)

Duane