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locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

 

This is something that you should be able to enforce and somewhat control on your own groups. I, and others on one of my groups, have slow connections, so I insist on trimming all but the relevant portion. In "the good old days" of Yahoo Classic, I would first put someone on moderation when they did this, correct the first post or two, then just outright reject them ...
As happens so often, we're seeing the diversity of the types of people that use the groups system. Mark, I wish you the wisdom of Solomon to sort out the different viewpoints.

Given the nature of some of our older members, such rejections would do more harm than good. We have guys who have trouble even staying active on the group, but their memories and reminisces are invaluable. (That's another reason some of us may need some pretty extensive moderator controls.) The problem is that we can't run everyone moderated because we don't have enough moderators to handle all the traffic. As it is, I do maintain some of the worst offenders on moderation so I can edit their posts. Unfortunately, this can slow down the flow of conversations and sometimes threads die because of it.

I'd just like a way to limit the amount of unchanged text. Maybe even a limited number of lines after the latest new text. I'm just trying to ponder this out.

Dano


locked Re: Switching to thread view

 

Good idea. I've added a 'View Thread' link at the bottom of every message in expanded view. Right now, once you go there, the only way to get back is the browser back button. Suggestions for a better way to handle that are appreciated.
I think "back" would be fine, especially if you include the blue bar showing the original location.

Dano


locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

Duane
 

This is something that you should be able to enforce and somewhat control on your own groups. I, and others on one of my groups, have slow connections, so I insist on trimming all but the relevant portion. In "the good old days" of Yahoo Classic, I would first put someone on moderation when they did this, correct the first post or two, then just outright reject them until the poster figured out that I was serious. As someone mentioned, Groups.io shouldn't be limited to what the old Yahoo groups were, but I don't know if auto-trim would be worthwhile. It would have to be a group specific option for the exceptions like the computer help group that Judy mentioned.

Having said that, when I helped archive a group for someone in 2013, there was one post that was over 200KB in plain text, so message length and posting etiquette vary widely amongst groups.

Duane


locked Re: Switching to thread view

 

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:56 PM, D R Stinson dano@... wrote:

When I'm in 'Expanded Message View' on the web page and want to look at a thread in 'Thread View,' is there a way to do that without having to scroll to the top, change views, and then search out the thread?

Good idea. I've added a 'View Thread' link at the bottom of every message in expanded view. Right now, once you go there, the only way to get back is the browser back button. Suggestions for a better way to handle that are appreciated.

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

Judy F.
 

I second that Susan. 

 

Judy f.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Susan B [mailto:doggiesmail@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 5:30 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

 

In my opinion, novice moderators should be trained in how to use their new tools and quizzed with "what would you do" examples before they are actually given those tools.

 

Susan B

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:40 AM

Subject: Re: [beta] POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

 

David,

> Importantly, the word archive gives a sense of messages or records or
> documents ranging over a period of time.  The term messages has less of
> the concept of a collection of posts in chronological order that
> represent the sharings of a discussion group.

Likewise, I prefer the word Archive because of two implications the word carries: shared and permanent.

But I may be overreacting to a few instances (reported in the Yahoo Groups moderator groups YGOG and GMF) of novice moderators ripping through the Messages, deleting as they read them because they thought that was a kind of personal inbox.

Mark,

Speaking of which maybe, and especially when a user clicks through to a message from "Your Inbox", it may make sense to put a more explicit warning on the Delete function. Perhaps "Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the Message Archives of GROUPNAME? This cannot be undone."

The problem with "Archives" in the Groups.io context is that Files (and future Photos and/or Links) areas are no less Archival in nature than the messages. That's the flip side of others' observation that new members won't expect to find (current) messages there - the word doesn't specify the type of content.

A compromise might be to label them "Messages" in the left column, but "Message Archives" in the breadcrumb bar at the top of the page (where there's more room).

-- Shal





locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

 

I understand your viewpoint Judy, but there was a *lot* of information there, and using 'Expanded Message View', which is pretty much what Digest mode would give a person, it threw a lot of confusing information on the screen to wade through. Perhaps those groups you refer to don't use digest view.

My groups have a number of members on Digest who continually express frustration with this. I routinely urge members to minimize the amount of information they quote. Given that groups.io has thread view, limiting quoted material makes much more sense for many than wasting all the display space and bandwidth of quoting everything. Some of our historical threads go on for dozens of replies as details are worked out or people share remembrances. Quoting everything would make messages that were pages long.

I simply want some kind of an option to limit the amount of quoted material for those of us who try to avoid that confusion.

Dano


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Thank you DG, you are absolutely right.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: CatWoman [mailto:diana@catsandme.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 10:28 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

On 1/27/2015 3:35 AM, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:
That's what these are for:

Welcome ____

Pending ____

Goodbye ____

Banned
Can we have one for "Denied"? I suspect Judy doesn't ban the denied ones - usually they are people who don't fill out the questionnaire, or whose answers show that they are not where they think they are (my previous message about
Belmont) - but that doesn't mean that they might not be eligible some day.

dg


locked Re: Posting window

 

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 02:47 PM, D R Stinson dano@... wrote:

Taking you back to the previous location seems to be the most logical thing to do.

Easy enough. Done.

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Group member signatures feature?

Judy F.
 

Trish, I would also like to see a signature line when sending a message through the group. 

 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 9:18 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Group member signatures feature?

 

Is there currently a feature that allows a member to set up a default signature that gets sent to the group whenever they send a message?

 

If not, can one be added as an option? Maybe in the profile screen? I think it might be useful.

 

Maybe also an "About Me" section in the profile?

 

Thanks

Trish


locked Switching to thread view

 

When I'm in 'Expanded Message View' on the web page and want to look at a thread in 'Thread View,' is there a way to do that without having to scroll to the top, change views, and then search out the thread?

Dano


locked Re: Another observation - this time about trailing trash

Judy F.
 

Dano, it was me that did that. If you read it, it's only Trish's original note to me. I do try to trim messages, by leaving the last one sent which is what I did.

There are some groups that want you to leave the entire thread, while others want the last message. An example is a computer help group that I belong to and he specifically states that the entire thread should be left. In most cases, members are asked to trim their messages, but not remove all of them. I know I don't want to constantly be going to the group to see what the last message was since I use my email program to view the messages.

Also, this is a little off from this, but I noticed when I went to the group that my message had extra line spacing in it that I didn't put there. My Outlook is set to HTML and maybe that's what caused it. I wish Mark could get this so it didn't do it.


Judy
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@mt.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2015 4:10 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Another observation - this time about trailing trash #posting

As I noted previously, I've been reading and posting from the web site. To be honest it's refreshing to have it work and I can scroll through the posts as they come up and follow along while doing other things. However I've been noticing some things that have been a problem with groups for a long time. Most people simply don't bother to trim the trailing trash and there are people who simply quote every bit of a thread. (I don't mean to pick on anyone, but would offer #1324 as an example.) This has always been a problem for digest readers and by reading in Expanded Message View I'm getting that same overwhelming effect.

Is there a way to drop everything previous to the newest quoted text, unless the poster has edited the trailing string? There's really no reason for even including that if one views it in thread view. Providing some relief from this would make digest readers' experiences a lot more positive.

Dano


locked Re: Posting window

 

Taking you back to the previous location seems to be the most logical thing to do.

Dano


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:38 PM, Shal Farley shal@... wrote:

The work-around probably replaces the Message-ID inserted by Gmail with one generated by Groups.io. If that's the case it will undoubtedly work for you and everyone - Gmail would no longer think that it is the same message coming back.

That is basically correct. I do that when we send out an edited message, to make sure that everyone sees it. I append '.Groupsio.NUM' to the existing Message-ID (where NUM is the revision number). Then, whenever I see a Message-ID that has that suffix, I strip it out internally.

Mark


locked Re: Posting window

 

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 12:55 AM, D R Stinson dano@... wrote:

Just an observation. If one starts to post something and then changes their mind, the window should perhaps have a 'Cancel' button at the bottom next to 'Send' to take the user back.

Where should it take you? Should it just be the equivalent of hitting the back button in the browser, or should it go someplace specific?

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: Bugs or something else? #bug

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 11:43 PM, Feathered Leader featheredleader@... wrote:

  1. When I was replying on the interface in Beta, the message number box at the top would not always work whenever I was taken to my reply (i.e. the last post in the group.

  2. I thought you said that you had fixed the Reply feature so that it would allow you to return to the post you just replied to, but if you did, I don't see it, or it isn't working. Is it a bug, or is it still pending?

I've just pushed some updates that will help with navigation. When viewing individual messages or threads, there s now a left arrow in the nav bar at the top, which will take you back to where you were before (either the Threads View or the Messages View). And when it does so, the message or thread that you were viewing will be highlighted by a little blue line, so you can remember your place. Also, where you're sent after sending a reply should be a little more intelligent.

Let me know if you see any problems.

Mark


locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

 

In my opinion, novice moderators should be trained in how to use their new tools and quizzed with "what would you do" examples before they are actually given those tools.
 
Susan B

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

David,

> Importantly, the word archive gives a sense of messages or records or
> documents ranging over a period of time.  The term messages has less of
> the concept of a collection of posts in chronological order that
> represent the sharings of a discussion group.

Likewise, I prefer the word Archive because of two implications the word carries: shared and permanent.

But I may be overreacting to a few instances (reported in the Yahoo Groups moderator groups YGOG and GMF) of novice moderators ripping through the Messages, deleting as they read them because they thought that was a kind of personal inbox.

Mark,

Speaking of which maybe, and especially when a user clicks through to a message from "Your Inbox", it may make sense to put a more explicit warning on the Delete function. Perhaps "Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the Message Archives of GROUPNAME? This cannot be undone."

The problem with "Archives" in the Groups.io context is that Files (and future Photos and/or Links) areas are no less Archival in nature than the messages. That's the flip side of others' observation that new members won't expect to find (current) messages there - the word doesn't specify the type of content.

A compromise might be to label them "Messages" in the left column, but "Message Archives" in the breadcrumb bar at the top of the page (where there's more room).

-- Shal






locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

 


Thank you a million times over!!! I have been busy so did not see the poll but I am so glad that Messages was the decision!!

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

I've changed Archives to Messages. Please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

Sounds like a sweet deal to me! Looking forward to it.

Trish

On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 3:38 PM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:
Trish,

> If Mark says he's got a workaround planned,
> I'll just wait and see if that fixes it for me.

The work-around probably replaces the Message-ID inserted by Gmail with one generated by Groups.io. If that's the case it will undoubtedly work for you and everyone - Gmail would no longer think that it is the same message coming back.

-- Shal






locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

Trish,

If Mark says he's got a workaround planned,
I'll just wait and see if that fixes it for me.
The work-around probably replaces the Message-ID inserted by Gmail with one generated by Groups.io. If that's the case it will undoubtedly work for you and everyone - Gmail would no longer think that it is the same message coming back.

-- Shal


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

On 1/27/2015 11:49 AM, pnrfan@gmail.com wrote:
No desire to use a client. If Mark says he's got a workaround planned,
I'll just wait and see if that fixes it for me.
No - wasn't suggesting using one - just explaining why you may not
be seeing your own messages. It was one of the things that got me
to ship my gmail to my mail client was that it didn't have a separate
"sent" box, so I couldn't tell that I had sent a message to a list.

Fortunately, the Android GMail app is more like a normal email client,
so I can read my gmail on my phone or tablet without the web "thread"
annoyance (which may be gone by now - but I haven't gone back to it
since a few days after signing up for the gmail address).

dg