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locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:06 PM, Linda Star-Freedman <donlin2@...> wrote:
I like it.  Will it work after an archived subject is 'edited', as when the change is a correction of a typo or spelling, for instance?
 
Yes, it should work in that case.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Group home page information

 

On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Jim Poston <poston@...> wrote:
Does a home page for a private group display differently from that for a
public group?

Info categories that Beta has that my group (Listed in directory, private
archives) does not are Group Information, Top Hashtags, Top Posters,
Message History, Recent Photos, and Group Email Addresses.


Those are displayed for your group, you just have to scroll down a lot. There's a lot of blank space on the page that's caused by the HTML in your group description. If you edit that out, it should look better.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: New member email, links in plain text part

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Jim Poston <poston@vch-nv..us> wrote:
Just an FYI:

They show up as "The group homepage is located here" and "click here and you will be
unsubscribed immediately."

Thanks, I've added a bug report.

Mark 


locked Re: Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages

 

On 20 Feb 2015 at 7:53, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Nothing was on TV last night so I decided to write a Chrome app to download Y! Group
messages.
Sounds cool, but if we somehow grab all our messages, do you plan to
provide a facility to import them here?

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< 'Run! Run for safety, foolish pedestrians!' -Max >>


locked Ability to reply to a message as +owner

 

(Sorry for my near-continuous stream of comments/questions. Just
transferred my first group from Y!G and am desperately trying to get up to
speed so my group can keep going!)



Along with the ability to reply to messages via email as group+owner,
could we get the ability to reply from the website as group+owner?

We can post a new message as group+owner, but I don't see how we can
/reply/ as such.

Thanks!

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat... >>


locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Thanks for confirming Carol..
 Mark is a programmer, so hopefully he can come up with something . 
Perhaps Mark can add it to his to do list.
Personally I am not willing to pay $5.00 for each of my groups to use modtools.
 



´
Vickie

 








From: "cshenk1@..." <cshenk1@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 2:26 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Issues with thread renaming

Hi Vickie,
> Is this the same ModTools Edward is charging mods $5.00 to use for each Y- group?
> If it is, perhaps Mark can create his own Modtools. 
 
Same ModTools.  Maybe Mark can but it's a big task and seems he has enough to do on his own already with the existing programming.
  Carol  
 
 
 



locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

cshenk1@...
 

Hi Vickie,

> Is this the same ModTools Edward is charging mods $5.00 to use for each Y- group?

> If it is, perhaps Mark can create his own Modtools. 
 
Same ModTools.  Maybe Mark can but it's a big task and seems he has enough to do on his own already with the existing programming.
  Carol  
 
 

 


locked Re: Group home page information

 

On 20 Feb 2015 at 10:46, Frances wrote:

I think it would be better if top posters weren't shown to people who are not members of private
groups. Especially since real names (not screen names) are shown. 
That makes sense. The group home page should be a different display
for members and non-members, if archives are private.

If archives are public, I don't think there's any reason to mask that
information since it's all exposed in the archives anyway.

Ideally, the owner could turn that display on and off the home page as
desired?

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Shake well before using. >>


locked Re: Group home page information

Frances
 

I think it would be better if top posters weren't shown to people who are not members of private groups. Especially since real names (not screen names) are shown. 


locked Group home page information

 

Does a home page for a private group display differently from that for a
public group?

Info categories that Beta has that my group (Listed in directory, private
archives) does not are Group Information, Top Hashtags, Top Posters,
Message History, Recent Photos, and Group Email Addresses.

I'd like to have that information for my group also, maybe displayed when
member is logged in? Or maybe the information displayed, but not
clickable (similar to what Y!G does with the message history matrix for a
group)?

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Slippery When Wet >>


locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Carol, 

Is this the same ModTools Edward is charging mods $5.00 to use for each Y- group?

It it is, perhaps Mark can create his own Modtools. 
 

´
Vickie

 








From: "cshenk1@..." <cshenk1@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2015 11:15 AM
Subject: [beta] Re: Issues with thread renaming

Hi Mark, sorry I think I just sent a blank.  New to Groups.io.  I can see the way to quote in another group.  This one must be HTML then and a manual copy paste is easy for the sighted.
 
> A solution that I think will work was just staring me in the face. Background: we have a thread object in the database that is separate from the individual messages. It has a subject, which is taken from > the subject of the first message in the thread. When the subject for a thread is edited, this is the field that is changed in the database.

> Right now, when we get a message that's part of a thread, we compare the subject of the message with the thread object's subject to see if they're different. If they are, we start a new thread (create a > new thread object, etc). But if I just change it so that it compares the subject of the new message with the message that it was a reply to, we should be ok. If the thread's subject is changed, that           > doesn't affect this.

> One question: if I change the subject of a thread, should we change the subject of any message we receive to the thread after that before we send it to the group? Say I start a thread with a message  > containing 'Subject A'. I then change the subject on the website using the Edit Subject feature to 'Subject B'. Someone replies to the already sent out existing message, which contains 'Subject A'.         > Before we send the new message back to the group, should we change the subject to 'Subject B'? I'm thinking yes. Thoughts?
 
(Manually added quoters).  This sparks a thought, several actually so bear with me.
 
This might be the hook that allows correctly typing an 'OFFER' to a 'TAKEN' if the taken isn't an exact match in subject line.  Has potential for us Freecycle folks.
 
I don't know if you worked much with that set.  We are a pretty sizable block.  The ones on Yahoo are not affiliated with Freecycle.org but most of us are affiliated with ModTools (Ed Hibbert) and a significant number of us also use TrashNothing in tandem with our Yahoogroup.  What happens in basic is a person posts on Yahoo (via whatever means, email, logged in direct etc.)  then it passed to Yahoo where ModTools picks it up and sends it to TrashNothing.  If posted at Trashnothing, ModTools snags it and tosses it to Yahoo.  Basically a dual homed single site.
 
Is there potential for us to use something like ModTools to do the same with Groups.io?  If so, I'd be willing to test it with a smaller live Freecycle already homed in both places.  If it works, I can see if my co-owner in the bigger Freecycle would like to try it.  I also have a Café that could be used for testing after a basic test was done. 
 
If this is old news and not interested, let me know.  If it's new and seems of interest, I can work off line with you, Ed, and Andrew Trusty (TrashNothing).
 
And here's a real Café also on ModTools but not on TrashNothing:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/VaBeachCommunityCafe/info
 
  Carol 
 
 
 
 
 



locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

cshenk1@...
 

Hi Mark, sorry I think I just sent a blank.  New to Groups.io.  I can see the way to quote in another group.  This one must be HTML then and a manual copy paste is easy for the sighted.

 

> A solution that I think will work was just staring me in the face. Background: we have a thread object in the database that is separate from the individual messages. It has a subject, which is taken from > the subject of the first message in the thread. When the subject for a thread is edited, this is the field that is changed in the database.


> Right now, when we get a message that's part of a thread, we compare the subject of the message with the thread object's subject to see if they're different. If they are, we start a new thread (create a > new thread object, etc). But if I just change it so that it compares the subject of the new message with the message that it was a reply to, we should be ok. If the thread's subject is changed, that           > doesn't affect this.

> One question: if I change the subject of a thread, should we change the subject of any message we receive to the thread after that before we send it to the group? Say I start a thread with a message  > containing 'Subject A'. I then change the subject on the website using the Edit Subject feature to 'Subject B'. Someone replies to the already sent out existing message, which contains 'Subject A'.         > Before we send the new message back to the group, should we change the subject to 'Subject B'? I'm thinking yes. Thoughts?
 
(Manually added quoters).  This sparks a thought, several actually so bear with me.
 
This might be the hook that allows correctly typing an 'OFFER' to a 'TAKEN' if the taken isn't an exact match in subject line.  Has potential for us Freecycle folks.
 
I don't know if you worked much with that set.  We are a pretty sizable block.  The ones on Yahoo are not affiliated with Freecycle.org but most of us are affiliated with ModTools (Ed Hibbert) and a significant number of us also use TrashNothing in tandem with our Yahoogroup.  What happens in basic is a person posts on Yahoo (via whatever means, email, logged in direct etc.)  then it passed to Yahoo where ModTools picks it up and sends it to TrashNothing.  If posted at Trashnothing, ModTools snags it and tosses it to Yahoo.  Basically a dual homed single site.
 
Is there potential for us to use something like ModTools to do the same with Groups.io?  If so, I'd be willing to test it with a smaller live Freecycle already homed in both places.  If it works, I can see if my co-owner in the bigger Freecycle would like to try it.  I also have a Café that could be used for testing after a basic test was done. 
 
If this is old news and not interested, let me know.  If it's new and seems of interest, I can work off line with you, Ed, and Andrew Trusty (TrashNothing).
 
And here's a real Café also on ModTools but not on TrashNothing:  https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/VaBeachCommunityCafe/info
 
  Carol 
 
 
 
 
 


locked Re: why notifications in HTML

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 5:02 PM, ro-esp <ro-esp@...> wrote:

All member notifications are now HTML, even if the group is plaintext only.

I'm not sure what that means. What exactly is the rationale behind it? Send along pretty pictures?


Consistency with other features, for one thing (calendar event descriptions, etc). Also, some people have email clients that don't recognize and linkify URLs in plain text emails correctly. Making things HTML removes all doubt as to what's a link and what isn't.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Sending spoofed email as groupname+owner@groups.io

 

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 8:57 PM, Jim Poston <poston@vch-nv..us> wrote:
Can I spoof the groupname+owner address to send a message via email
to the group?

I know I can do it from the website, but can I do it as an email.

That's not currently possible. I can think of a few ways to implement that, but it would require some work.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Somewhat OT: Download Y! Group Messages

 

Hi All,

Nothing was on TV last night so I decided to write a Chrome app to download Y! Group messages. I put it up at the yahoogroupedia, here: 


It's based on the Chrome app to download member lists. It's not very user friendly, and Yahoo may rate limit downloads, but it seems to work for me. Feel free to tell others about it.

Cheers,
Mark


locked Sending spoofed email as groupname+owner@groups.io

 

Can I spoof the groupname+owner address to send a message via email
to the group?

I know I can do it from the website, but can I do it as an email.

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< A wise man may look ridiculous in the company of fools. >>


locked New member email, links in plain text part

 

Just an FYI:

The new member email has a plain text part and an HTML part.

The HTML part has two links, one to the group and one to unsubscribe.  Unfortunately, the URLs aren't shown in the plain-text part.

They show up as "The group homepage is located here" and "click here and you will be
unsubscribed immediately."

--
Jim
Poston@...

<<                There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.                 >>
  


locked why notifications in HTML

ro-esp
 

From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2015 17:22:42 PST


All member notifications are now HTML, even if the group is plaintext only.
I'm not sure what that means. What exactly is the rationale behind it? Send along pretty pictures?


groetjes, Ronaldo



--
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locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

ro-esp
 

On Wed, Feb 18, 2015 at 09:46 am, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:34 PM, Nikolay Kolev <nikolaynkolev@gmail.com>
wrote:

If you rename a thread, the old name still stays in the activity log,
which is not a huge issue. The real issue is that when people reply to
messages, the old thread name is used and thus a new thread is created
redundantly. This happens both from the web UI and via email replies.
Mark answered:
I can think of a couple different ways of dealing with this:

- When you change a thread's subject, have the system send out an email to
the group saying 'Hey, this is the new subject, start replying to this
email instead'
hmm

- We just disable the subject line check for threads that have had their subject's changed.
Yes, if I change the subjectline, it means I *want* the messages to be findable under the NEW subjectline, not buried under a bunch of other messages with the OLD one. [Ideally, changing is done in the "topic B (was:topic A)" format ].
Also, if I change the subject to an existing one, chances are I *want* the message to be listed under that.

Worse still: if I send two replies from the same digest, I want them to have different subjects. I *don't* want the second or third to be listed under the subjectline of the first one (open door? Tell that to googlegroups..)

Everything will work fine except if someone decides they want to start a new thread by replying to an existing message and
changing the subject.
?? do you mean "NOT changing the subject"?

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: Issues with thread renaming

Linda
 

Hi Mark, you asked:
"One question: if I change the subject of a thread, should we change the subject of any message we receive to the thread after that before we send it to the group? Say I start a thread with a message containing 'Subject A'. I then change the subject on the website using the Edit Subject feature to 'Subject B'. Someone replies to the already sent out existing message, which contains 'Subject A'. Before we send the new message back to the group, should we change the subject to 'Subject B'? I'm thinking yes. Thoughts?"
 
I like it.  Will it work after an archived subject is 'edited', as when the change is a correction of a typo or spelling, for instance?
 
Thanks,
Linda