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locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

Mark Fletcher
 

I've changed Archives to Messages. Please let me know if you see any issues.

Thanks,
Mark
locked Re: Markdown

D R Stinson
 

Mark -
Something that used to work in Groups that some of our members used were the characters created by holding down ALT and typing the four digit number on the numeric keypad. I'm afraid I don't know what it's called. Back in the days of phototypesetting these were called Pi characters as I recall. Is this in any way related to markdown? An example is ALT+0169 giving a copyright symbol. Being able to use them again would be helpful, but we managed without them.
Dano
locked Re: The case for social logins

Chris Leong
 

I meant social logins as an additional feature - social logins only would be frustrating for many people.

On 27 January 2015 at 07:23, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

I second that. I have no desire to have to be on a social group such as those, to use this one.

Brenda
locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

Mark Fletcher
 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Speaking of which maybe, and especially when a user clicks through to a message from "Your Inbox", it may make sense to put a more explicit warning on the Delete function. Perhaps "Are you sure you wish to delete this message from the Message Archives of GROUPNAME? This cannot be undone."

I've changed the Delete message to say this, along with bolding the 'This cannot be undone.' part. The changes will go out shortly.

Mark 
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Duane
 

David,

For your use, I would think a Wordpress/blog/Wiki type site would work best. It could contain a link to your group, but would always be available to the public. You could also have a link on your group home page pointing to the other site, if needed/wanted.

Duane
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

That would also force those who do not want to be involved with Google, to have to be involved with Google.


I still stand on my opinion that there is a database needed here. Chris says we don't have large groups here yet? They would come if there was a database. I can count more than 5 large groups ruined by NEO already, that I know would jump at it.

Brenda
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

Yes. And I'm not sure why Chris thinks that the database feature was removed from Yahoo Groups. It's still there, just badly broken, formatting skewed, and more. But it was not removed with NEO, just broken. That caused a lot of people to lose important data.

Brenda
locked Re: The case for social logins

Nightowl >8#
 

I second that. I have no desire to have to be on a social group such as those, to use this one.

Brenda
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Nightowl >8#
 

No no, Yahoo Groups didn't drop the database feature. It has been there from the start and is still there. However, NEO broke it.

Just correcting that.

Brenda
locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Shal Farley
 

Mark,

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure
whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but
I found the bug and it was in our end of the line.
A bit of all of the above, no doubt. But I'd recommend happy that the problem was flushed out early on.

And I'm happy to uphold my reputation as a bug whisperer.

-- Shal
locked Re: The case for social logins

Robert Maidment-Wilson
 

Well put. I consider the likes of Faceache to be as leaky as an old watering can.
Robert.

Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the O2 network.
From: Matthew Pitts via GROUPS.IO
Sent: Monday, 26 January 2015 19:44
To: beta@groups.io
Reply To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] The case for social logins

The problem with this is, what happens if your primary email account gets compromised and it's the one you're using for your "social signin" stuff? If you don't catch it, you just lost access to everything, and may very well have a hard time convincing other people that the person that insulted them using your social login somewhere wasn't you. As others have said, let it be an option, if Mark wants to implement it; don't replace real secure systems (password management applications and hardware) with the false security of a unified login.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
 


From: Chris Leong <walkraft@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:24 AM
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate...
locked Re: The case for social logins

Matthew Pitts
 

The problem with this is, what happens if your primary email account gets compromised and it's the one you're using for your "social signin" stuff? If you don't catch it, you just lost access to everything, and may very well have a hard time convincing other people that the person that insulted them using your social login somewhere wasn't you. As others have said, let it be an option, if Mark wants to implement it; don't replace real secure systems (password management applications and hardware) with the false security of a unified login.

Matthew Pitts
N8OHU
 


From: Chris Leong <walkraft@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 8:24 AM
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.
  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate..
locked Re: The case for social logins

Cacky B
 

Ditto!
Cacky

On 1/26/2015 9:19 AM, robertgmam@... wrote:
I would never use so-called ‘social logins’. If people want that sort of thing, then by all means have it available to them, but don’t let’s all have to suffer it to the exclusion of a proper login. Those of us who abhor social media do not want to go down the road of copying the likes of Google and Facebook. The slide of Yahoo Groups into that sort of thing is exactly why we need a home for our Groups away from Yahoo Neo in the first place!
 
Regards,
Robert.
 
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 1:24 PM
Subject: [beta] The case for social logins
 

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.

  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate.



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locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Matthew Pitts
 

Mark,

As long as you found and fixed the bug, it should be good. This is the sort of thing that the current Yahoo Groups team would never communicate with us on, and why we like hearing from you on things.

Matthew Pitts

 


From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: "beta@groups.io" <beta@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Nightmare scenario I'm sure. 

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group.

I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry.


Mark
locked Re: [owlperch] To Duane, Matthew, Shal & Tyger

Mark Fletcher
 

On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 12:23 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Nightmare scenario I'm sure. 

Yes, this has been bugging me ever since it happened. I'm not sure whether to be happy or deeply embarrassed and a little horrified, but I found the bug and it was in our end of the line. This only was tripped when one connection is used to send multiple emails. The first email goes through fine. The second email ends up being sent to the first email's group.

I could not find any other instances of this happening in the logs. It has been fixed. I am sorry.


Mark
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Diana Gregory
 

On 1/26/2015 8:59 AM, Duane wrote:
To see a Wiki, you'd need to be a member of the group and signed in.
Ah - it's the "member of the group" part that I think most of us are
missing (since it prompts for a sign in if you are not).

A blank page is probably not very user-friendly if we're confused by
not seeing it!

If there is a direct link to a wiki given - should it say something
like "you are not a member of <groupname>"? Or just a "content is
not available" with a link to the Groups.io home page?

Or just take you to the Groups.io home page?

dg
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Diana Gregory
 

On 1/26/2015 8:51 AM, Frances wrote:

The links don’t work for me either - blank pages.
https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/wiki/Articles-Published-by-David-Dillard
OR
http://tinyurl.com/mo99vzl
Same here - HPW7.

dg
locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

David P. Dillard
 

I just learned that while my group is public, the wiki is not listed on group contents when accessed by anyone who is not logged in to my group as a member of my group. The option needs to be made available to group owners to make the Wiki public if so desired. I will only be able to use this tool if it is public.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Mon, 26 Jan 2015, Donna wrote:

David,
I clicked on your tiny url link and got taken to a blank page, even though the url appeared to be the same as the
full url in your message.  Now, I understand what my friend from the Yahoo group is seeing.  This is the first time
it has happened to me with groups.io.
Donna
locked Markdown

Mark Fletcher
 

Good morning,

Over the weekend, I had a few hours while the babies were napping, and wanted to do a small fun project. So I added Markdown support to the post/reply boxes, along with code syntax highlighting in the archives.

Markdown, for those (most) who haven't heard of it, is like plain text, except that it lets you include some formatting with it. There are a lot of places online that explain what Markdown is better than I can, like http://whatismarkdown.com. I think it's much better for conversations than HTML messages, and yet neither Google Groups nor Y! Groups support it.

And with Markdown, if you're including a bit of source code in your message, you can tag it and it'll display nicely (this is called code syntax highlighting). The nerds, like me, really like this (and multiple people have asked for this feature in Groups.io).

Anyways, if you want to post using Markdown, you now can. If you don't, nothing's changed for you.

(I'll be going through all the messages from this weekend over the next couple hours).

Thanks!
Mark
locked Site sign in

Duane
 

Does a sign in on Groups.io ever expire? I signed in when I first joined (12 days ago) and haven't had to since. On the other service I use, I stay signed in for 2 weeks unless I specifically sign out. (Unless I need to use owner/moderator privileges, then it asks for credentials every 4 hours. Way too often in my opinion.)

Duane
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