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locked Re: Links?

 

Yeah, I thought about that. But then I think about having to remind every member of my groups to go to wiki because they're used to the term links. Wiki just doesn't come to mind when you're wandering through menus looking for links.

Trish

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:
I used the wiki to create several pages of links. Easy to do.

Frances

On Jan 28 15, at 6:39 AM, pnrfan@... wrote:

Will there eventually be a links feature on the menu?

Trish



locked Re: Bugs or something else? #bug

 

One thing I noticed Brenda doing was replying to messages that were old enough to be several pages back on the message list, then being taken to the most recent message on the message list after posting the reply (that is, the reply itself).  There's no blue bar in that case, and changing the page to find the original message doesn't show the blue bar, either.

JohnF



locked Re: A few questions

 

If missing the quoted text while reading on the website in single-message or expanded view mode, there's a shortcut to view the thread, which helps you figure out what the person is writing about.  I don't know if there is a similar link in the mails that are sent out, individually or in digest form, but it might be available with a couple of clicks if not.


JohnF



locked Re: Site updates #changelog

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark wrote:>>Focus is now set on the text area when you reply to a message<<

I don't know what this means, sorry. Do you mean we are now taken to the reply box? If so, I get it. But you said that after replying, I should be taken somewhere more intelligent, I think was the word, but I'm still taken to my reply in the thread (way ahead of where I'm reading).

Brenda


locked Re: A few questions

Nightowl >8#
 

Brenda wrote:>>I know where it is, I just want to know if he will still make it be a default for us to be able to set. That will be remembered all the time.<<

dg wrote:>>And here's a good example of why you would *want* quoted text. Brenda - I have no idea what you are talking about...<<

Sorry about that. I usually always quote, as you know... but that reply happened as I was trying to change from HTML to Plain Text, and then I guess more got deleted than I meant to.

What I was referring to was that I knew where the drop down box to change HTML to Plain Text was, but I wanted to know if there would be a default that we could set to always reply in one mode or another. Duane told me how to get there, and I found it and set it. YAY!

You all know me, I almost ALWAYS trim my replies, and quote what I wanted to respond to. The only time I don't is if I'm in a huge hurry, and something HAS to be replied to right away...such as before I raced to the hospital when my dad went in.

Brenda


locked Re: Bugs or something else? #bug

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark wrote:>>Also, where you're sent after sending a reply should be a little more intelligent.
Let me know if you see any problems.<<

I get the blue line part, thanks. :)

I'm still sent to the the post I made as a reply), instead of being sent back to the post that I replied to, after I send the reply.

What I'm looking for is an option to be returned to the message I was replying to, so I can continue reading and replying where I was. Does that explain it better?

What I've had to do so far is hit my browser's back arrow and back over my reply and etc, and manage to get to the post before the one I replied to, then I can hit the browsers next arrow and get to the post I replied to.

Is there an easier way?

Brenda


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

Ronaldo,

BTW how do I quote in the website, with the ">" that is ?
Click Reply, then change the format to Markdown or Plain Text. Or choose one of those two as your default (Edit your Profile).

I'm not sure what "wrapping" means. Are you talking about "quotefix"?
I wasn't trying to be that precise, nor that "smart". I was talking about a "simple" word-wrap, but one that doesn't include the quote marking in the count of characters on this line. The result would be similar to quotefix, but without ever moving a word from line to line, and allowing the line to exceed the "threshold" width by the length of the quote marking.

It's meant to automatically keep the maximum-length of the line (I've
heard that 80 spaces is the standard),
78 characters + CRLF (total of 80) was the original length limit for internet messages ("email"). It is still specified as a SHOULD for plain message bodies. Going backwards in time, 80 characters was also the typical display width of character mode display terminals, Teletype printers, and card punches.

My proposed word-wrap wouldn't conform to that standard under all circumstances. In particular I'd allow the line to get "too long" if the width of the quote marking got "too long" (more than 6 characters). It is my judgement that the simplicity gained is worth the occasional violation, (a violation which has little to no negative impact in modern systems).

-- Shal


locked Re: Owner messages in Archives

Nightowl >8#
 

Testing reply feature

Hi Duane!

Brenda


locked Re: A few questions

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark wrote:>>Perhaps, depends what. I want to avoid scenarios where it could end up looking like a Geocities or old Myspace page. That's too much customization.<<

I have no idea what either of those looked like. But I was thinking about adding color to the page, and possibly choosing content to be put on it.

Brenda


locked Re: Owner messages in Archives

Nightowl >8#
 

I define that it's a group owner post by signing it as such:

i.e.

If I't's not an official owner post, I sign it this way:

Brenda,

OR

Brenda
Nightowl >8# etc.


If I have put on the Owner/Moderator hat, I sign it like this:

Nightowl >8#
Owner/Moderator



locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site today:

  • Removed Show Message History button, quoting message by default for markdown/plain text messages
  • Fixed pagination in Files View and in Files Search View
  • Changed sort order in Files view to have folders show up before files
  • Fixed event reminder display
  • Work on bounce system, addressing bug where bounces are returned some time after the message was sent
  • Fixed calendar bug with all day events that span multiple days
  • Made archives a bit faster by not fetching message previews for all messages on load
  • Testing generating new message-ids in the Beta group, to get around email services not showing messages you've sent
  • Focus is now set on the text area when you reply to a message

Mark


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

ro-esp
 

4a. Re: [beta] Post preference, show message history, emoji
From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:21:59 PST

Mark,

For Markdown and Plain reply boxes, there's a new Show Message History
button, ...
I really hate that terminology.
So do I. BTW how do I quote in the website, with the ">" that is ?

It seems to cause a lot of user
confusion versus the message thread context surrounding the message and its reply edit box. How about "Insert Quoted Message" - to me that better describes what it does.

that works similarly to how Y! Groups' button works, to insert the
quoted message in the reply box.
Can I have mine shown (inserted) by default? I almost always want to inline quote for context.
exactly


And... I love breaking the rules by not wrapping my plain text message bodies (because that generally works better with other people's email services and with on-line message archives that dynamically word-wrap at the window width); but I don't like that at all for quoted text. So could I have a wrap button that re-wraps paragraphs (blank line separated) and if the paragraph is reply quoted ("> ") inserts the quote marking on each of the wrapped lines. Note, a line with only the quote marking should also be considered a paragraph separator.
I'm not sure what "wrapping" means. Are you talking about "quotefix"? It's meant to automatically keep the maximum-length of the line (I've heard that 80 spaces is the standard), regardless of how many ">"s are added. Using quotefix means the last bit of first line isn't pushed to before the > of the second line, but to after it.

groetjes, Ronaldo


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

 

On 1/28/2015 2:52 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:
Diana wrote:>>Are you reading your gmail from the gmail web page? Or a mail client?<<

Mail client. Thunderbird. But G-mail gives you an option to send/forward your mail to another linked e-mail address, which I do.
So you should be seeing all your gmail messages sent to any list, since
I think GMail does the forward processing before doing any local
processing.

dg


locked Re: A few questions

 

On 1/28/2015 2:25 PM, Feathered Leader wrote:
I know where it is, I just want to know if he will still make it be a
default for us to be able to set. That will be remembered all the time.
And here's a good example of why you would *want* quoted text.

Brenda - I have no idea what you are talking about...

dg


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

Here on TBird (and I think someone else said their mail client did it
also), before hitting the reply button, I can highlight a section of
text - and reply will bring just that section text and the poster
(see above) into the reply (and I chose when I set up the client to
have the response below the quoted text).

How difficult would it be to implement something like that?
I think that has some real merit, Diana. But not being a programmer, I don't know how difficult it would be. Perhaps Mark can comment?
Dano


locked Re: Post preference, show message history, emoji

 

On 1/28/2015 12:10 PM, D R Stinson wrote:
I'd rather see a button, perhaps next to the format option, to add quoted text. Hopefully that would encourage posters to*not* add it unless they consciously need it.
Here on TBird (and I think someone else said their mail client did it
also), before hitting the reply button, I can highlight a section of
text - and reply will bring just that section text and the poster
(see above) into the reply (and I chose when I set up the client to
have the response below the quoted text).

How difficult would it be to implement something like that? I think
explaining to anyone who knows about copy/paste that they highlight
the text they're responding to and then click reply, if easy enough
to implement, would be easier than trying to get them to delete
portions of the text. Even people who have been around mailing lists
for a long time often leave a bunch of footers!

dg


locked Re: Not getting copies of messages I sent to my group

Nightowl >8#
 

Diana wrote:>>Are you reading your gmail from the gmail web page? Or a mail client?<<

Mail client. Thunderbird. But G-mail gives you an option to send/forward your mail to another linked e-mail address, which I do.

Brenda


locked Re: Testing: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

Yup. Yay!

It's the little things in life...LOL.

Trish
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On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 5:42 PM, pnrfan@... <pnrfan@...> wrote:
Let's see...does this one come back to me?

Trish



locked Testing: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

Let's see...does this one come back to me?

Trish


locked Re: Getting copies of the messages you send

 

On Wed, Jan 28, 2015 at 02:24 pm, Shal Farley shal@... wrote:

Message-Id: Groupsio.0.54C95CFE.1010006@...

I guess it is probably still going to be unique, but no longer unique by construction: roadrunner implausibly could decide to issue some future message with exactly that ID, since as far as they know it has never been used. I thought you would entirely replace the IDs with ones you generate, same as the IDs for posts and replies via the web interface.

You know, you're right. I do that with edited messages for a specific reason, so that if someone replies to the initial message, and someone else replies to the edited message, I can still do threading correctly. But this is a different case, and .... thinking .... I can't think of a reason not to generate a completely unique message-id (excepting your ability to find messages....) So I've changed it.

Thanks, Mark