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locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy F.,

If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group
settings (who can do what). That’s not what I am talking about.
There's more than one tab on the Settings page. Click "Member Notices"
near the top center.

-- Shal


locked Re: Home Page Formatting #suggestion

Judy F.
 

I agree Duane. A lot of groups have the basic group rules, such as if advertising is allowed, what the group is about. I don't think a lot of that stuff should be there either.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 9:59 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Home Page Formatting #Suggestions

Chris,

That all depends on the users and the group. I'd rather not have Top Posters (nor Recent Photos when implemented) shown on the page visible to the public like it is now. If it was a public group, I wouldn't mind so much. I think the ultimate solution would be for which items are displayed to be controlled by the group owner. Maybe a limited subset could be configurable. I would think that Group Description, Group Settings, and Group Email Addresses should always be shown. Message History was also a concern for a lot of Yahoo group owners to indicate activity. Top Hashtags could go either way.

For me, the group home page is a very temporary stop, if I see it at all. I've got bookmarks to the archives/messages set up for most of them. I want it to have enough information to entice folks to join, but not so much that it looks cluttered.

Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

Judy F.
 

Maybe I'm out of the loop, but what does KKT mean?

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurence Taylor [mailto:g7mzh@gmx.co.uk]
Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 5:57 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: New Subscription Options

On 23/01/2015 09:52, robertgmam@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

_._,_._,_
KKT?


--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.
 

Chris, I’m really confused by your statement that Yahoo Groups has dropped the database feature.  Unless you and I are talking about two different things,  it is still there on the groups I own and moderate.  In fact I just added a new Table as it’s called after you access the database.  Have you clicked the down arrow next to More on the Home Page?   I think it leaves a lot to be desired and is not nearly what it was in the old Yahoo Groups, but it is still there.

 

When you say ‘in most cases the admins maintain (create, etc.) the database table and no edit access to ‘normal’ members is needed’.  Maybe that’s the case with the groups you are a member of, but a large number of the craft type groups which includes embroidery, sewing, quilting, hand crafts, etc. create database tables and ALL of the members have access to them to add whatever type information is needed  for the table.  Example: on my group, I have a table where members provide information about their location, machine they have, software they have and email.  Then all members can check to see if there is anyone in their area that they can contact to get more help with their machines, etc.   Another example is asking for input on what they would like to see in an embroidery design, etc.  You might thing that is only a few groups, you would be surprised. 

 

I could say the same thing about Wiki, I don’t understand it and I feel sure there are lots of members that are not computer savvy that won’t understand it either.    They will say forget it!  They will just unsubscribe like a large number of members did when Neo came about.  That doesn’t mean it should be thrown out, but at least offer something that will give some of us the tools we need and have used in the past.

 

Like I said yesterday, I don’t think anyone is trying to make Groups.io a twin to Yahoo Groups, but when you only have Yahoo Groups to provide examples from, that certainly doesn’t mean you want it to be exactly like that example. 

 

I think Groups.io is really slick and will be great when it is finished.

 

                               

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 7:59 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions

 

I agree with Shal. I would be very disappointed if Groups.io became limited by what Yahoo Groups was. Bringing groups over from Yahoo groups would provide a short term boost for the site, but in the longer term Groups.io needs to develop into its own service.

One point worth remembering is that Yahoo Groups made the decision to drop the database feature, presumably based on metrics of its use. Now this doesn't automatically mean that this was a good decision - even if only a small number of groups are affected, perhaps these were some of the most important groups on the site.

However, it's worth considering a few points:

  1. In most cases, the admins maintain the databases, and don't need to provide edit access to normal members. An external service could work well in this scenario.
  2. Yahoo groups doesn't offer the databases feature any more, so Groups.io doesn't necessarily need to offer this feature to convince people to switch over as long as it is better than Yahoo groups in other ways. Groups.io definitely is better in many ways.
  3. Wikis provide much of the same features. If Mark adds features like sorting, then this would close most of the gap. Some people have more trouble adapting to technological change than others, but if they need a feature enough, they are likely to learn how to use it.
  4. Once the feature is added, it needs to be maintained. Further, removing a feature that has been added will annoy a large number of users and reduce the trust of user's who don't even use that feature because a feature that they need may be removed in the future. Therefore, it seems that if a database feature were to be added, it should only be added when it becomes clear that such a feature is necessary. The Wiki will work well for most small groups, larger groups are more likely to need the specific functions of the database. Since there aren't large groups on Groups.io, this need isn't clear.
  5. A generic API would solve this use case and so many others.
  6. Re the alternative of spicing up the Wiki: The ability to sort tables in a Wiki is cool, even there was a separate database feature as well, so the effort of going down this path wouldn't be wasted.

For all these reasons, I'd strongly recommend against implementing a database feature at a current time.


locked Re: Markdown

 

Oh, what fun!

But it would be way cool if I could use markdown in posts by email. I've always been disappointed that text/html won out over text/enriched; the latter would have spared us so many ills. http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1896.txt

I wish there was a way (and a semantic meaning) to force my email client to send messages with:

Content-Type: text/markdown

It would totally violate the semantics of text/plain, but I'd even wish for an ad-hoc marker I could use to designate my message body as text/markdown. Maybe a marker in the Subject or To field? What else can I control?

-- Shal


locked Re: Interesting - along with Brenda & Shal's cross-group posting, another oddity

 

On 1/26/2015 5:37 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Some days you're the feature. Some days you're the bug. frowning
8-)

It's Monday - that you found and fixed a bug on a *Monday* is
an accomplishment. I think that's covered in Programming 101.

dg


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Chris, read the reply I just sent to Trish regarding the scheduled files. 

 

 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: Chris Leong [mailto:walkraft@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 7:29 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Hey,

I'm actually quite curious about the use case for a "scheduled files" feature.

- Chris


locked Re: Interesting - along with Brenda & Shal's cross-group posting, another oddity

Mark Fletcher
 

That was sent in a 5 minute period this morning where there was a bug that would not acknowledge us receiving a message, so your mail server tried to send it again, leading to the duplicate error message. It was while I was tracking down the cross-posting bug.

Some days you're the feature. Some days you're the bug. frowning

Mark


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Thanks Trish, but I don’t think we are talking about the same thing.  If I am reading that page correctly, those settings are group settings (who can do what).  That’s not what I am talking about. 

 

When we have a member join the group, they are pended.  Also at that time, a message is automatically sent to them under the Pended category requesting information.  Another options is a letter goes out to welcome them when they are approved, another if they are denied, etc.  These various messages do not go out to everyone nor do they go out weekly/monthly, etc.  Just the one time to that particular individual. 

 

I don’t see anything like that when I click on the Setting option. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2015 5:34 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 


 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish.  I don’t have  a group set up so I can’t check it out.  If it does what I mentioned below, then I’m happy. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

 

Trish

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

 


locked Interesting - along with Brenda & Shal's cross-group posting, another oddity

 

Apparently the beta group got two copies of my blank-page response (the
second one).

It did what it should, and rejected it - but I didn't send it twice.

Mark, I'll hang on to it if you need any of it - but I suspect your
logs will show more since my host's mail system (Pair.com) was the
one who sent back the reject.

dg


locked Re: Markdown

 

I did a test on my group to see if they survive conversion to plain text. They made it to plain text okay, but I noticed in my test that the hard returns got lost. Let's see if the hard return after each of these sentences survives. My 2¢ worth. Dano


locked Re: Markdown

Duane
 

It looks like those characters will work fine in Markdown using the keyboard/alt.  I haven't tested them in an html post yet.

0169 = ©

0176 = °

0181 = µ


Duane



locked Re: Markdown

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:11 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
Mark -
Something that used to work in Groups that some of our members used were the characters created by holding down ALT and typing the four digit number on the numeric keypad. I'm afraid I don't know what it's called. Back in the days of phototypesetting these were called Pi characters as I recall. Is this in any way related to markdown? An example is ALT+0169 giving a copyright symbol. Being able to use them again would be helpful, but we managed without them.

In a way, yes. Markdown lets you embed HTML characters natively. The copyright symbol is &copy; . See here for more examples:


Of course, there's also emoji, which we don't yet support, but one day will.


Mark


locked Re: Site sign in

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Does a sign in on Groups.io ever expire?  I signed in when I first joined (12 days ago) and haven't had to since.  On the other service I use, I stay signed in for 2 weeks unless I specifically sign out.  (Unless I need to use owner/moderator privileges, then it asks for credentials every 4 hours.  Way too often in my opinion.)

Cookies are currently set to expire every 30 days.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Laurence Taylor
 

On 25/01/2015 01:21, D R Stinson wrote:
Duane - This was discussed earlier as there were others with the same
concern. The discussion seemed to lead to the recommendation that
there be a setting for individual members that could be turned on so
that attachments over a certain size would be replaced with a link on
the message that would take the reader to the attachment. - Dano
This would have to be at the option of the recipient, as people might
not be in a position to do that.

--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Beta Digest

Laurence Taylor
 

On 24/01/2015 12:20, ro-esp wrote:

Mark, will replying in the reply box allow that reply to show at the top
of the message or do you at least have an option?
As much as I hate that, I don't think it can be banned without pissing
off a load of people who prefer it that way
And we shouldn't do that because? :-)

Yes, and that's why I request an (optional!!) autotrim-feature like
some googlegroups have. It simply deletes everything under the last
unindented line, before the message is sent. Ideally (....) the cursor
would be positioned at the start of the first written line UNDER the "
at date and time, userxy@domain.pq sent:"
This is probably more of a luxury, but I've seen it done: reject any
message that has less original content than quoted. Will soon put a stop
to those people who quote the last 46 messages just to say "me too".


--
rgds
LAurence
<><


locked Re: Setting member posting options

Cacky B
 

Maybe "Set this member to always allowed to post, override group setting." Cuts down a bit on the words.
Cacky

On 1/26/2015 4:30 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I've added a TODO to revisit this wording.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:26 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
I just changed a moderator's posting settings to post any time. In 'Members' I selected the member. I then selected 'Actions' -> 'Override - Not Moderated'. The 'Verify Action' reads: "Set to allow posting this one member?"

I wonder if it might not be better if it read, "Set this member to always be allowed to post in spite of group posting setting?" It's a little wordy, but it makes it clear this person is getting a special privilege.

Dano










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locked Re: The case for social logins

 

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 2:05 PM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:
I meant social logins as an additional feature - social logins only would be frustrating for many people.


Agreed on all counts. I've had other requests to add social logins as well. I'll add it to the list; it will of course be optional.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 11:45 AM, Shal Farley <shal@...> wrote:

Hmm... I hadn't looked at that way, but you're right. The Description available in an event isn't as limited as the one in Yahoo Groups was. So for many purposes where text files are used it might do just as nicely.

For non-text files you can place a link in the text, and it doesn't seem too difficult to pick up the link from the file's name in the Files section. But there's no attachment ability, nor a convenient way to browse for the file you want.

It's always been my intention to have the ability to include attachments in event reminders. I checked and it wasn't on the Trello board, so I've added a card.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Setting member posting options

 

I've added a TODO to revisit this wording.

Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:26 PM, D R Stinson <dano@...> wrote:
I just changed a moderator's posting settings to post any time. In 'Members' I selected the member. I then selected 'Actions' -> 'Override - Not Moderated'. The 'Verify Action' reads: "Set to allow posting this one member?"

I wonder if it might not be better if it read, "Set this member to always be allowed to post in spite of group posting setting?" It's a little wordy, but it makes it clear this person is getting a special privilege.

Dano