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locked Re: suggestion for groups.io?

Trish McDonald
 

Maybe searching them by tags or key words? Give list owners the ability to add tags? 

I know Yahoo's group category levels got so convoluted as it grew it became impossible to drill down to the appropriate category easily. I think letting list owners provide searchable keywords/tags for their group might make individual groups easier to find.

Trish




On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 9:39 AM, emily <fallenangel09@...> wrote:
hi.

i'm hoping it's okay to suggest something here, and i doubt this can happen, given how the groups.io service is all ready set up to display the list of groups, but i'll ask anyway...

i was wondering if we could have sub categories for the groups.

currently, the groups are displayed in alphabettical order, and also you can search for them by keyword.

but i think it would be an awsome eddition.

their's all ready newest, and most popular (how i found this group to begin with), so perhaps a category list can go under those 2 links

what are your thoughts

emily
locked Re: Digest layout

Shal Farley
 

Ronaldo,

Is there any reason to not do it for single messages?
In single messages I don't have to scroll past the trailing quotes, I
just move on to the next message. So there's no benefit to justify the
risk that the automation might erroneously delete content of value.

Disagree. We don't read random snippets. People should include key
parts of quote. Let's not encourage wrong habits.
Vehemently disagree. I'll never teach the members of The-Tech-Zone "proper" quoting. Not even if I were their moderator. My impression is that many of the members there are vision impaired or otherwise limited in what they /can/ do to in-line quote.

It makes no sense to deprive me (and the other members of the group) of a useful digest just because the majority of members of that group can't or won't quote in a manner that you or I might prefer.

-- Shal
locked Re: suggestion for groups.io?

Duane
 

After thinking about it a bit, I like using multiple "unrestricted" tag type identifications better than categories. If we wanted to, we could assign something nonsensical, say "oekftu859" that would only show our groups. At the same time, we could use terms that should be readily findable in a search that, hopefully, describe our groups as others could be expected to think of them. We could include general terms related to our groups, along with specific items that might narrow it down. I do think there should be some sort of limit on each group (10 or 20 at most ?) so that it wouldn't end up like some web sites that include every imaginable word just so they show up in searches. I'm not sure what the maximum length of each string should be. Probably easier to implement this than categories/sub-topics.

When I was on Yahoo, the biggest problem with categories and sub-topics is that often there weren't the exact ones we needed.

Duane
locked Re: Digest layout

Laurence Taylor
 

Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Put a blank line between subjects in the list of messages, so it is
easier to read what subjects are there.
Good idea. This will be added today.
Wonderful! Thank you very much.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:13 PM, <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

One thing I like in the Yahoo digest is the messages are linked so I can
slip down to one of interest without scrolling through the rest. Rather
nice, expecially in a group where folks do not trim old quotes out.
That would require HTML digests. Currently the digests are plain text.
Definitely doable, I'll put it on the list for consideration.
As a subscriber option, I hope!

In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
removed. It should help.
What a good idea! Though perhaps add a note to the effect of "quoted
text removed by system" to stop people complaining about people not quoting!

--
rgds
LAurence
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locked Re: suggestion for groups.io?

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi Emily,

Welcome to the group. And thanks for the suggestion.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 6:39 AM, emily <fallenangel09@mail.com> wrote:

i was wondering if we could have sub categories for the groups.
I haven't focused on organization yet, because it hasn't really been a
problem with the number of groups we currently host. It'll become more
of an issue as we grow, of course.

I'm conflicted on categories. They can help some with discovery, but
coming up with a category system is always a problem. We've talked
here before about adding tags to group descriptions instead of
categories, and I think that probably is a more flexible, more organic
and ultimately more scalable solution. But again, I haven't really
thought much about it because it hasn't been an issue yet.

Thanks,
Mark
locked Re: Daily digest

Duane
 

I don't usually get messages via email, preferring to use the web, though I've got one account set up to get them so I can see what is referred to. When I did use email (on Yahoo), I always went with plain text. There are some of us that still don't have flat fee unlimited broadband, so message size becomes important. If it were me, I'd make HTML digest a separate option. I'll leave all the other feature suggestions to those that use email regularly.

Thanks,
Duane
locked Re: Daily digest

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
Since some folks always read in Plain Text, the option to select one or the other is probably best - so you can control what they receive.

Thanks,
Linda


For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery
option from
the current plain text digest?
locked Re: Daily digest

Mark Fletcher
 

Hi Adam,

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Adam Irgon <adamirgon@gmail.com> wrote:
I rely heavily on the daily digest, and find it to be kind of primitive.
Any plans for html and other beautifiers?
Definitely a possibility. What features would you like to see in an
HTML digest? It'd have linking from the table of contents at the top
to the messages themselves. Any other features?

For the group: should HTML digests be a separate delivery option from
the current plain text digest?

Thanks,
Mark
locked Re: Digest layout

Mark Fletcher
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 7:33 AM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

Different groups have different requirements. Some prefer minimal quoting, some prefer (even allow) nothing, and some are in between. Some want top posting, others bottom, and inline is quite useful at times. In this situation, the digest, minimum snippet should work fine since there will normally be several messages for each thread. As Shal pointed out above though, there can be exceptions that almost become the rule. I'm sure Mark is having fun with all the possibilities. ;>)
Heh. I remember when I first started working on ONElist back in the
day, someone said something to the effect, 'mailing list software is
simple and easy, why are you wasting your time with that?'.

I've changed it so that if we think the message is not a reply to
another message, we don't try to strip any quoted material. That's the
easy part.

For leaving a bit of the replied to message, I'll want to experiment a bit.

Thanks,
Mark
locked Remaining logo designs

Duane
 

Of the finalists, I like # 10, 44, and 57 the most, with some slight mods. On #10, I'd make the "io" a dark orange so the design incorporates all the colors. On #57, I think a black outline/border, white background, and black letters would allow for better scaling. On #44, I'd change the envelope area to black (without the orange flap) and make the blue lighter (as in #45) on "Groups." Any should work as a font icon in b&w if the lettering is removed. If I had to pick one as is, I'd go with #44, though #10 would be a close second.

Duane
locked Re: Digest layout

Duane
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 02:40 am, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:


That's why people should http://www.learn.to/quote...

Perhaps rather than removing the entire quote, you could leave behind a
snippet, similar to the snippet shown in the Messages lists.
Disagree. We don't read random snippets. People should include key parts of
quote. Let's not encourage wrong habits.

groetjes, Ronaldo
Different groups have different requirements. Some prefer minimal quoting, some prefer (even allow) nothing, and some are in between. Some want top posting, others bottom, and inline is quite useful at times. In this situation, the digest, minimum snippet should work fine since there will normally be several messages for each thread. As Shal pointed out above though, there can be exceptions that almost become the rule. I'm sure Mark is having fun with all the possibilities. ;>)

Duane
locked suggestion for groups.io?

emily <fallenangel09@...>
 

hi.

i'm hoping it's okay to suggest something here, and i doubt this can happen, given how the groups.io service is all ready set up to display the list of groups, but i'll ask anyway...

i was wondering if we could have sub categories for the groups.

currently, the groups are displayed in alphabettical order, and also you can search for them by keyword.

but i think it would be an awsome eddition.

their's all ready newest, and most popular (how i found this group to begin with), so perhaps a category list can go under those 2 links

what are your thoughts

emily
locked Daily digest

Adam Irgon <adamirgon@...>
 

I rely heavily on the daily digest,  and find it to be kind of primitive. Any plans for html and other beautifiers?
locked Re: Digest layout

kr402
 

That's why people should http://www.learn.to/quote...
Ronaldo
It is not in English so I can not read it. 
locked Re: Digest layout

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:05 am, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Mark,

In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
removed. It should help.
Is there any reason to not do it for single messages?


In some of the threads the impression of some messages from the digest is very
different from reality, because one doesn't know which message was being
replied to
That's why people should http://www.learn.to/quote...

Perhaps rather than removing the entire quote, you could leave behind a
snippet, similar to the snippet shown in the Messages lists.
Disagree. We don't read random snippets. People should include key parts of quote. Let's not encourage wrong habits.

groetjes, Ronaldo
locked Re: Digest layout

Shal Farley
 

Mark,

In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
removed. It should help.
Awesome.

Makes The-Tech-Zone digest readable for a change, previously it was choked with run-on trailing quotes.

Except ...

In some of the threads the impression of some messages from the digest is very different from reality, because one doesn't know which message was being replied to when message #2060 says "you're conveying extreme, extreme examples". The antecedent for that pronoun could be completely misplaced if you read the digest - the author wasn't replying to the most recent prior message in that thread, #2057, but the much earlier #2042.

Perhaps rather than removing the entire quote, you could leave behind a snippet, similar to the snippet shown in the Messages lists. Come to that, same for the ellipsis button in the expanded Messages on the web - put a snippet before the button.

And then there's #2049, where the member posted a message forwarded from elsewhere. This was not a reply at all, and so the deletion of quote-marked material was inappropriate.

-- Shal
locked Re: Message quoting improvements

JohnF
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 03:12 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
  • The 'Show Message History' button for quoting a message now shows up when doing an HTML reply.
  • You can select part of a message to reply to, and only that part will be quoted. You must select the part of the message to reply to before clicking the Reply link.

    •  Yay!  If this test works, anyway.  ;)


    JohnF
    locked Re: Digest layout

    Mark Fletcher
     

    On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 2:13 PM, <cshenk1@cox.net> wrote:

    One thing I like in the Yahoo digest is the messages are linked so I can
    slip down to one of interest without scrolling through the rest. Rather
    nice, expecially in a group where folks do not trim old quotes out.
    That would require HTML digests. Currently the digests are plain text.
    Definitely doable, I'll put it on the list for consideration.

    In the meantime, I've just added code will strip quoted replies within
    digests. For each message that's in the digest, if there is exactly
    one quoted part, and it appears at the end of the message, it will be
    removed. It should help.

    Thanks,
    Mark
    locked Message quoting improvements

    Mark Fletcher
     

    Hi All,

    Several improvements to replying to messages have just been pushed:

    • The 'Show Message History' button for quoting a message now shows up when doing an HTML reply.
    • You can select part of a message to reply to, and only that part will be quoted. You must select the part of the message to reply to before clicking the Reply link.
    • When building the quoted reply part for a plain text reply, we break up long lines now.

    The editor still makes things difficult with quoted HTML messages unfortunately; it's very difficult to insert unquoted text within a quoted passage (it doesn't split the quoted part into two parts). I'm still looking for a solution to that.

    Thanks, Mark
    locked Re: Digest layout

    cshenk1@...
     

    Mark,

     

    One thing I like in the Yahoo digest is the messages are linked so I can slip down to one of interest without scrolling through the rest.  Rather nice, expecially in a group where folks do not trim old quotes out.

      Carol 
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