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locked Any chance that announcements about new features could be assigned the feature tag?

 

I would like to be able to automatically follow any thread discussing newly released features. In order to do this, these thread would need to be tagged with the feature tag.


locked Re: New feature: Photos

Frances
 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 04:04 pm, Frances wrote:
Hi Mark,

How do you delete the emailed photos? In my family group, we seem to have duplicated photos. Love to eliminate those.
Also can I rotate them? The photos are sideways.

BTW, I did change the settings so I as list-owner should be able to do whatever is necessary.

Frances

Only the person who uploaded a photo and the moderators can edit or delete a photo.

You'll see there's a default album, Emailed Photos, which contains all the photos that have been sent as attachments to your group.

 


locked Re: New feature: Photos

Judy F.
 

Glad to hear about the resizing, but the default album is another thing. We have some members on the Yahoo Groups that will attach photos to their ad and we then have to send it back to redo. I would like to see the option to turn it off by the moderators.

Thanks so much,

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 6:58 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] New feature: Photos

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Hi Mark, the only question I have is the default album. Can that be turned off for a group? Our buying and selling group doesn't allow attachments in emails. Also, will it be a requirement to resize the photos? I hope not since most users have a hard time adding the photos and the required information let along resizing the photos.
I hadn't thought about turning off the default album. I can make it not appear if there have been no photos sent to the group.

Resizing takes place on our servers, you don't have to do anything and can upload photos of any size (up to 20MB).

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New feature: Photos

 

Glad to see this added. I'm sure the admins will want to be able to invite specific people to edit particular albums, but I know the implementation of this would be much, much more complex, so I can understand this not be implemented in the initial version.


locked Re: New feature: Photos

Trish McDonald
 

Hi Mark,

Is there any way to delete photos from the Emailed Photos folder yet?
Sort them by date?
See oldest first?
Go to end?

One of my groups has 765 photos in that folder taking up 10% of the storage capacity and we probably no longer need about 700 of them. 

Thanks,
Trish


On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 6:26 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

I just rolled out Photos (finally!). Permissions wise, it works like
the wiki, files, etc; you can decide whether subscribers have access
to it, and whether they can upload images/create albums.

When you create an album, you can specify whether it has group access
or personal access. Group access means that anyone in the group can
upload photos into it. Personal means only you and the moderators can
upload photos. Currently you cannot create sub albums.

Only the person who uploaded a photo and the moderators can edit or
delete a photo.

You'll see there's a default album, Emailed Photos, which contains all
the photos that have been sent as attachments to your group.

I resize the images to a max size of 720x720, keeping the aspect
ratio. I save the original sized images, but as of right now there's
no option to download the originals.

Please let me know if you see any problems or have suggestions.
Assuming nothing big comes up, I'll announce this sometime next week.

Thanks,
Mark






locked "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design

 

I think that the thread view would be better if "start merge" wasn't displayed next to every thread. Merging is an option that you hopefully won't need to use too often. By adding it next to every post, it clutters up the design. What I'd suggest instead is a little arrow that linked to other advanced option. This could include merging, making the thread sticky, closing the thread and deleting the thread.


locked Re: New feature: Photos

 

Mark,

I just rolled out Photos (finally!).
What? No drag-and-drop to upload photos? [tone="just kidding"]. But it would be nice...

When you create an album, ...
I don't see the Album Description displayed anywhere, except to create or edit the album.

The zoom-in and crop used for album covers is a bit disconcerting at first. Is that an artistic choice, made because conventional thumbnails are often ugly or unrecognizable?

Will also want a "details" view of Albums and of Photos in an album, I think. Where name, upload date, size, who, and other information can be seen, searched and sorted by. Actually the sorted-by choices should be view options in the thumbnail view of the albums & photos also.

I resize the images to a max size of 720x720, keeping the aspect
ratio.
I don't like the pop-up display. Or rather, I don't like that it changes size as I move from image to image - the next and previous arrows keep moving out from under my cursor and I have to go hunt them down each time.

but as of right now there's no option to download the originals.
Want.

-- Shal


locked Re: New feature: Photos

Frances
 

Hi Mark,

How do you delete the emailed photos? In my family group, we seem to have duplicated photos. Love to eliminate those.
Also can I rotate them? The photos are sideways.

BTW, I did change the settings so I as list-owner should be able to do whatever is necessary.

Frances

Only the person who uploaded a photo and the moderators can edit or delete a photo.

You'll see there's a default album, Emailed Photos, which contains all the photos that have been sent as attachments to your group.


locked Re: New feature: Photos

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 3:36 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Hi Mark, the only question I have is the default album. Can that be turned off for a group? Our buying and selling group doesn't allow attachments in emails. Also, will it be a requirement to resize the photos? I hope not since most users have a hard time adding the photos and the required information let along resizing the photos.
I hadn't thought about turning off the default album. I can make it
not appear if there have been no photos sent to the group.

Resizing takes place on our servers, you don't have to do anything and
can upload photos of any size (up to 20MB).

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New feature: Photos

Judy F.
 

Hi Mark, the only question I have is the default album. Can that be turned off for a group? Our buying and selling group doesn't allow attachments in emails. Also, will it be a requirement to resize the photos? I hope not since most users have a hard time adding the photos and the required information let along resizing the photos.

Thanks, and thanks for doing the photos.

Judy
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Friday, March 27, 2015 6:27 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] New feature: Photos

Hi All,

I just rolled out Photos (finally!). Permissions wise, it works like the wiki, files, etc; you can decide whether subscribers have access to it, and whether they can upload images/create albums.

When you create an album, you can specify whether it has group access or personal access. Group access means that anyone in the group can upload photos into it. Personal means only you and the moderators can upload photos. Currently you cannot create sub albums.

Only the person who uploaded a photo and the moderators can edit or delete a photo.

You'll see there's a default album, Emailed Photos, which contains all the photos that have been sent as attachments to your group.

I resize the images to a max size of 720x720, keeping the aspect ratio. I save the original sized images, but as of right now there's no option to download the originals.

Please let me know if you see any problems or have suggestions.
Assuming nothing big comes up, I'll announce this sometime next week.

Thanks,
Mark


locked New feature: Photos

 

Hi All,

I just rolled out Photos (finally!). Permissions wise, it works like
the wiki, files, etc; you can decide whether subscribers have access
to it, and whether they can upload images/create albums.

When you create an album, you can specify whether it has group access
or personal access. Group access means that anyone in the group can
upload photos into it. Personal means only you and the moderators can
upload photos. Currently you cannot create sub albums.

Only the person who uploaded a photo and the moderators can edit or
delete a photo.

You'll see there's a default album, Emailed Photos, which contains all
the photos that have been sent as attachments to your group.

I resize the images to a max size of 720x720, keeping the aspect
ratio. I save the original sized images, but as of right now there's
no option to download the originals.

Please let me know if you see any problems or have suggestions.
Assuming nothing big comes up, I'll announce this sometime next week.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Receiving every post

 

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 8:38 PM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:

Wait, what? All the Groups.io messages I'm seeing have a Message ID created by Groups.io. That's sufficient to break Gmail's feature I thought.

Or was there more to it that I've missed?
Nope, that's it. We currently do that for the beta group and for
Trish's groups, but that's it.

Mark


locked Problems posting

Carol Shenkenberger <cshenk1@...>
 

I’m not sure what is up but I can bring up the discussion via email but when I try to reply, nothing happens.
 
Thread notes:  Agreed with the ‘good moderator’ on the idea of OT posts.  There is a time and a place.  Being too strict can be detrimental.
 
On the screen reader.  I see we have several testing.  I will try this weekend too (and list the specs of the software which is free and others can try as well).  NVDA, open source
- I need to test out some other softwares anyways to refresh the list of ‘no-hear-ums’ for a few other developers
- Products needed to test this way most easily, WIN7 (should work with XP and WIN8), thumb drive, headphones (that is optimal for a sighted person)
   Carol


locked Re: Successful groups and moderators

David P. Dillard
 

I found a great way to avoid off topic posting. I run a list that has no topic limitations outside of spam and topics that young readers should not be seeing. That list has not had an off topic post yet. <g> I know that many if not most lists need to be subject limited, so please do not take this as a suggestion for other lists, just a bit of factual humor. I do think that off topic posting can add some color and variety to a discussion group and usually appreciate it on other folks lists of which I am on quite a few.





Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Fri, 27 Mar 2015, Chris Leong wrote:

There's definitely a tradeoff with having lots of off-topic posts they dilute the value for some users, but also allow a
community to form. The nice thing about groups.io is that if posts on other topics are assigned a tag, then users can opt out of
them if they don't want them
On Mar 27, 2015 11:38 AM, "Feathered Leader" <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:
I'm finally caught up in here and want to reply to this.

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>1) What characteristics do you think make a successful group?<<

I think a lot of that depends on the type of group. If you have a group that is centered around a particular topic,
such as Star Wars for example, the success rate would be making sure all who participate contribute to that topic.
Unlike many other group owners though, I consider lurkers to be just fine. Many people don't want to actively
participate and just want to read for content. As long as they don't hurt anyone or cause issues, I see no harm in
that.

But if you have a group with a mission, say like my Yahoo Mods and Members group that was created to fight for our
Classic Groups, if you fail the mission does that make the group unsuccessful? I have to say no. The first time we
crusaded, we did save Classic Groups. This time around, we're not having that success. But the group is active,
thriving, and engaged in also trying to get Yahoo fixed, or help people flee to sites such as this one. So I still
consider it successful on many levels.

I disagree though with all those who said that too many Off Topic posts are detrimental to the success of a group. It
completely depends on the group. In a topic oriented group, it comes down to whether or not the off topic discussions
benefit the group or not. And I only refer to discussions, NOT forwards, silly photos or witty things. I discourage
those in all my groups for the most part, because everyone's taste is different, and you never know who will be
offended.

But here's a good example of off topic discussion being relevant and helpful in a topic oriented group. If a huge
National disaster happens, such as 9-11, or a huge weather event is happening, it often helps the members to discuss
those happenings with one another, as well as to verify that everyone on the group is safe. Even in strict topic
groups, coming together in times of trouble like this is almost always beneficial.

There are other reasons to restrict humorous forwards and other off topic discussions as well. For example, in Mods
and Members, I had to stop all off topic forwards, witty things, and etc. because that group is public, and  I was
concerned what the public and press would think upon seeing them. And again, you never know what sort of thing will
offend someone, so in that case I preferred to err on the side of caution.

One other example though, is of a group with no set topic. My group Hollow Tree, for example is one of those. It's a
group where people can come together and chat about almost anything, and I only interfere if it gets out of hand.
That group is a success by it's own merit, not by staying on topic.

Basically, there's a time for OT posts and a time to limit or stop them.. And that is always the owners' choice of
when to do either.

Mark wrote:>>2) What characteristics do you think make a good moderator?<<

Well, I've always claimed that I'm not a very good moderator, but everyone tells me otherwise. So I define this based
on my belief.

A good Owner or Moderator has to be someone who cares about the group and it's purpose. They have to be a fair and
open minded person, who examines all sides of an issue before taking action, other than in extreme situations. For
example, if someone posts something on the group that's clearly encouraging something illegal, delete first and
consider second.

A good Owner or Moderator also has to be non biased, towards the members. If there is a bias or grudge between any of
the members and the Owner or Moderator, another Moderator should be assigned to handle any members others aren't
comfortable with. that prevents anything being done against the member due to the history between them and the
moderator or owner, and evens the field for equal treatment for all.

And last, I believe a good Owner or Moderator should be VERY visible. Not necessarily in the moderator or owner hat
mode, but just to be there for questions, to be consulted, or make sure they are on top of what is going on. For the
most part, I can safely say that I have always been that for my groups. However, last year things got really complex
with my parents and the rioting in Ferguson, and I slacked off considerably. I relied on my moderators to help me
maintain the group.

So I'm not certain that I'm in that "good" Owner/Moderator role at this time, but my passion to rescue people from
Yahoo, my desire to move us to a better platform, such as this one, and my fervent enthusiasm to continue to state
the truth have not changed if that makes any difference.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#


locked Re: Successful groups and moderators

 

There's definitely a tradeoff with having lots of off-topic posts they dilute the value for some users, but also allow a community to form. The nice thing about groups.io is that if posts on other topics are assigned a tag, then users can opt out of them if they don't want them

On Mar 27, 2015 11:38 AM, "Feathered Leader" <featheredleader@...> wrote:
I'm finally caught up in here and want to reply to this.

Mark Fletcher wrote:>>1) What characteristics do you think make a successful group?<<

I think a lot of that depends on the type of group. If you have a group that is centered around a particular topic, such as Star Wars for example, the success rate would be making sure all who participate contribute to that topic. Unlike many other group owners though, I consider lurkers to be just fine. Many people don't want to actively participate and just want to read for content. As long as they don't hurt anyone or cause issues, I see no harm in that.

But if you have a group with a mission, say like my Yahoo Mods and Members group that was created to fight for our Classic Groups, if you fail the mission does that make the group unsuccessful? I have to say no. The first time we crusaded, we did save Classic Groups. This time around, we're not having that success. But the group is active, thriving, and engaged in also trying to get Yahoo fixed, or help people flee to sites such as this one. So I still consider it successful on many levels.

I disagree though with all those who said that too many Off Topic posts are detrimental to the success of a group. It completely depends on the group. In a topic oriented group, it comes down to whether or not the off topic discussions benefit the group or not. And I only refer to discussions, NOT forwards, silly photos or witty things. I discourage those in all my groups for the most part, because everyone's taste is different, and you never know who will be offended.

But here's a good example of off topic discussion being relevant and helpful in a topic oriented group. If a huge National disaster happens, such as 9-11, or a huge weather event is happening, it often helps the members to discuss those happenings with one another, as well as to verify that everyone on the group is safe. Even in strict topic groups, coming together in times of trouble like this is almost always beneficial.

There are other reasons to restrict humorous forwards and other off topic discussions as well. For example, in Mods and Members, I had to stop all off topic forwards, witty things, and etc. because that group is public, and  I was concerned what the public and press would think upon seeing them. And again, you never know what sort of thing will offend someone, so in that case I preferred to err on the side of caution.

One other example though, is of a group with no set topic. My group Hollow Tree, for example is one of those. It's a group where people can come together and chat about almost anything, and I only interfere if it gets out of hand. That group is a success by it's own merit, not by staying on topic.

Basically, there's a time for OT posts and a time to limit or stop them.. And that is always the owners' choice of when to do either.

Mark wrote:>>2) What characteristics do you think make a good moderator?<<

Well, I've always claimed that I'm not a very good moderator, but everyone tells me otherwise. So I define this based on my belief.

A good Owner or Moderator has to be someone who cares about the group and it's purpose. They have to be a fair and open minded person, who examines all sides of an issue before taking action, other than in extreme situations. For example, if someone posts something on the group that's clearly encouraging something illegal, delete first and consider second.

A good Owner or Moderator also has to be non biased, towards the members. If there is a bias or grudge between any of the members and the Owner or Moderator, another Moderator should be assigned to handle any members others aren't comfortable with. that prevents anything being done against the member due to the history between them and the moderator or owner, and evens the field for equal treatment for all.

And last, I believe a good Owner or Moderator should be VERY visible. Not necessarily in the moderator or owner hat mode, but just to be there for questions, to be consulted, or make sure they are on top of what is going on. For the most part, I can safely say that I have always been that for my groups. However, last year things got really complex with my parents and the rioting in Ferguson, and I slacked off considerably. I relied on my moderators to help me maintain the group.

So I'm not certain that I'm in that "good" Owner/Moderator role at this time, but my passion to rescue people from Yahoo, my desire to move us to a better platform, such as this one, and my fervent enthusiasm to continue to state the truth have not changed if that makes any difference.

Brenda
Nightowl >8#







locked Re: Receiving every post

 

Mark,

I have not done that yet (it's a big change, and I'm a little chicken
about it, but I do agree with it being a good thing to do).
Wait, what? All the Groups.io messages I'm seeing have a Message ID created by Groups.io. That's sufficient to break Gmail's feature I thought.

Or was there more to it that I've missed?

-- Shal


locked Re: Some friendly advice from a screen reader user's standpoint

David P. Dillard
 

Not to mention that Microsoft is replacing all of Internet Explorer with another browser this Summer, I believe. Hence there will no longer be any support for any version of IE from then on from Microsoft.




Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu

On Thu, 26 Mar 2015, Mark Fletcher wrote:

On Wed, Mar 25, 2015 at 03:47 pm, rajmund brajmund2000@gmail.com wrote:

Hmm, the button didn't show up. If I enabled javascript, then, the whole browser locks up. Any ideas? I think more
and more group owners will come here, and I think it is important to stay in the competition. Things that use
mailman, and or freelists, they are 100% accessible, With what I have. Now, this is not bashing, but rather, helping
out.
Hmm, that's disappointing that it didn't fix the problem. I apologize, but there's little else I can do. To support IE6, the
entire web site would have to be re-architected, and many features that people expect from a website these days would have to be
dropped.
Mark


locked Re: Browsing Messages

Nightowl >8#
 

D R Stinson wrote:>>I realize not a lot of people are browsing the messages on the web site, but it should be functional for those that do.<<

Agree 100%! The reason I hated Yahoo NEO is I could no longer use the web page due to the flashing mouse overs and horrible blinding white. I ALWAYS prefer to read my groups on the web site, and your suggestions are a good idea. :)

Brenda


locked Re: Digest layout

Nightowl >8#
 

Shal wrote:>>In single messages I don't have to scroll past the trailing quotes, I just move on to the next message. So there's no benefit to justify the risk that the automation might erroneously delete content of value.<<

Exactly. I do NOT want anyone trimming or auto trimming my messages. I choose to edit and post them using the insert Quoted Message button and then editing as I choose. As long as that still works for me to be able to quote like I always do (see above Shal quote), I'll be very satisfied.

Brenda


locked Re: Growth of Groups.io

Nightowl >8#
 

D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:>> I have one existing group that needs to see a change in focus, and it may simply be created here (actually it already has been) in a new and different incarnation.<<

Same here. I have created a new Hollow Tree group here, but I'm not 100% sure I'm ready to move my group members yet, because I'm still figuring everything out. But that is the plan in the future.

Brenda