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Re: Attachments
I've had a request for a setting where attachments are automatically deleted after a specified time. . . . .We have older members who may be able to imbed an image but not be able to figure out how to make a formal attachment. (Yeah, digital one-trick ponies.) The list owner or moderator needs to be able to move some of those attachment files to regular photo folders and defeat the automagic deletion for that file. Otherwise, 60 days is probably plenty. Is there a way to let the small attachments (maybe 20 Kb or smaller) go through and NOT be sent to the Attachments folder? Then those that are parts of signatures could go with the message, or even go away. **Although** some may need to be moved to photo folders if it's a small image that's pertinent to the discussion. I'm also assuming that owners/moderators can go in and delete those monster images that get attached by those guys who just don't understand file sizes. We had a 10 Mb attachment on one group a few weeks ago that annoyed a number of people. It may also require replacing a resized version of the same image If you compose an HTML message with a photo in it (not just as an attachment), often what happens is that when someone else replies to that message (and does not trim the quoted message), the photo is included in the reply. I have seen this build up over multiple replies, so that you end up with 5-10 copies of the same photo in a thread (and therefore in the Emailed Photos folder). . . . . I don't know the best way to improve this. One solution is for me to try to figure out if an attachment is referenced by a quoted part, and if it is, to delete it from the message. But if you view the quoted part, you'll end up with broken image links. . . . . Thoughts?If it's the same image, will it have the same file name and date? Can the system delete the latest versions of a file with the same date and name? As for images in quoted, I think users just need to understand that quoted text strips images. All they have to do to see the image is click on thread view and scroll down a little. Dano
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Updates
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Afternoon updates to the site:
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Re: Using the calendar for reminder notices (was: Suggestion for files section)
e On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Trish <pnrfan@gmail.com> wrote:
I really love using the calendar for that. It's way more flexible thanThank you! :) Mark
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Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully a simple question. What happens if I close a thread and someone replies a few days later? I doubt that I'll ever close any, but wondered about the consequences.Their message bounces back with an error message saying the thread is closed. Just thought of a related question. Can I "Unclose" a thread?Yep. It's called 'Reopen Thread' and appears in the dropdown for closed threads. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Updates
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Mark, in your third bullet does ‘when they were taken’ mean when the photoI've added 'Posted' sort options as well now. Thanks. btw, I'm not thrilled with how the dropdown for the sort options looks. I'll be trying to figure out a better way for that. Thanks, Mark
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Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design
Hopefully a simple question. What happens if I close a thread and someone replies a few days later? I doubt that I'll ever close any, but wondered about the consequences.
Just thought of a related question. Can I "Unclose" a thread? Duane
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Re: No more recent messages
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On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:00 PM, JohnF via Groups.io
<johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote: On my "Your Subscriptions" page, it now says every group I'm a member of hasAh yes, I called this "Project FOMO" (fear of missing out). The idea is that if it says there have been no recent messages, you won't feel like you've missed anything! In this fast paced world, it's a little respite. A calm within the social media storm, if you will. Ahem. Stupid bug, fixed now. Thanks for catching it. :) Mark
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Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Chris Leong <walkraft@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that the thread view would be better if "start merge" wasn'tExcellent idea. Just pushed to the site. When it refreshes, it goes back to the beginning of the list. I will fix that at some point so it returns to where you where. Thanks, Mark
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No more recent messages
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On my "Your Subscriptions" page, it now says every group I'm a member of has 0 "Recent Messages", including beta, despite there having been a message less than an hour ago. This was working yesterday. JohnF
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Re: Suggestion for files section
Judy F.
Thanks Shal and I understand it, but where I'm having a hard time is having 'invite' used for a new calendar event and another 'invite' to 'invite' someone to join the group.
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:45 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files section Judy F, > Would you explain to me what 'invite' is pertaining to the calendar? > I think this is really confusing when you have two invites that I > think do two different things. Yes, two very different things. But I think each is clear enough in its own context. When you create an entry on the calender there's a checkbox for "Send Invite To Group", which really means sending an invitation to the event. So if the "event" you are posting on the calendar is a swap meet, then this option posts a message to your group inviting everyone to attend the swap meet. That Invite goes out immediately when you post the event on the calendar. That makes it distinct from Reminders (which go out in advance of the event by an hour, a day or however much time you select). -- Shal
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Re: Suggestion for files section
Judy F,
Would you explain to me what 'invite' is pertaining to the calendar?Yes, two very different things. But I think each is clear enough in its own context. When you create an entry on the calender there's a checkbox for "Send Invite To Group", which really means sending an invitation to the event. So if the "event" you are posting on the calendar is a swap meet, then this option posts a message to your group inviting everyone to attend the swap meet. That Invite goes out immediately when you post the event on the calendar. That makes it distinct from Reminders (which go out in advance of the event by an hour, a day or however much time you select). -- Shal
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Re: Suggestion for files section
Thanks, Shal. That's one of the great things about this site, specifically this group, sharing viewpoints and seeing how others interpret things. The clearer it is, the less mistakes we should make.
Duane
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Re: Suggestion for files section
Duane,
I'd go for those. Even Periodic, Scheduled, or Notification mightThink of it in the context of the page you see when creating or editing an event. At the top you've taken care of the schedule (Start ...), and the Periodicity (Repeats ...) and now you're down at the bottom. Somewhere among Description, Reminders, and "Send Invite To Group" we need a control that says whether the Description (and any attachments) is to be sent at the scheduled time. There's where we need a word that is clearly distinct from a Reminder or an Invite and (hopefully) carries the connotation of being sent "at that time". Maybe the "Send Invite To Group" box and this new control should be above the reminders (so they don't get lost in that larger section). In that context, I don't think even "Send Notice To Group" would be sufficiently distinct. Maybe: |_| Send Invite to Group now |_| Send Notice to Group at scheduled time Then adding reminders (in between those two times) is natural and in context, at least for "events". For recurring postings (such as group rules) one wouldn't use an Invite nor any Reminders, just the Notice on a Repeat schedule. -- Shal
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Re: Suggestion for files section
Judy F.
Shal, maybe this was clarified before and I missed it, but I continually hear you and others discuss invite when talking about the calendar. Whenever I see that, I immediately think about an invitation to join the group.
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Would you explain to me what 'invite' is pertaining to the calendar? I think this is really confusing when you have two invites that I think do two different things. Thanks, Judy F. SW Florida - USA
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From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 4:50 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files section Duane, > On an Event announcement, the message to the group includes ... Oops, terminology again. I wasn't referring to the message sent if you Check "Send Invite to the group" - that happens when you post the event. By "Announcement" I meant the proposed feature to send a message at the date & time of the event (as also opposed to Reminders, which goes out ahead of the event by the amount of time you select). Can we call those three things "Invites" (sent when event posted), "Reminders" (sent ahead of event), and "Announcements" (sent at the time of the event)? There may be a better word to use for "Announcement", as I can see where you might not be alone in inferring that to be synonymous with an "Invite". "Notice"? A tad generic, but I think it avoids the implication of being sent in advance. It also might fit better with the intended use as a way to send periodic group rules and other ... notices. Hmm, maybe that works. "Invite", "Reminder", and "Notice". > On an all day event (one day), it shows the date with 12:00am for > start and end times, along with the time zone. Right, and I think for all-day events those lines could be omitted in all event-related messages. > It shows Where: with nothing after it for Location. And there too, if the field is blank the whole line could be omitted. Sigh, all these tweeky little cases for Mark to handle. But at least it isn't adding any complexity to the user interface (apart from the one new control for sending an "Announcement" or not). -- Shal On 4/2/2015 11:15 AM, Duane wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:23 am, Shal Farley<shal@roadrunner.com>
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Re: Attachments
Judy F.
Is there any way in place of the photos you could have a link to that photo so we could at least get to the photo?
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From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io] Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 1:23 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: [beta] Attachments Hi All, I've had a request for a setting where attachments are automatically deleted after a specified time. I think that seems like a reasonable request, especially since there's a limit to how much space each group has for attachments/files/photos/etc. Is there anything else I should consider when thinking about this feature? Also, somewhat related, is the following: If you compose an HTML message with a photo in it (not just as an attachment), often what happens is that when someone else replies to that message (and does not trim the quoted message), the photo is included in the reply. I have seen this build up over multiple replies, so that you end up with 5-10 copies of the same photo in a thread (and therefore in the Emailed Photos folder). This is not a good experience for many reasons. I don't know the best way to improve this. One solution is for me to try to figure out if an attachment is referenced by a quoted part, and if it is, to delete it from the message. But if you view the quoted part, you'll end up with broken image links. Or I could auto-trim the quoted part, using the same rules that I use to collapse quoted parts on the web site, and delete any referenced attachments at the same time. Thoughts? Thanks, Mark
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Re: Updates
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Judy F.
Mark, in your third bullet does ‘when they were taken’ mean when the photo was actually taken or when it was posted. The photo could have been posted yesterday, but may have been taken 2 years ago. When it was taken doesn’t do anything for some groups, but when it was posted is helpful.
Thanks, Judy F. SW Florida - USA
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Hi All, I completed a bunch of changes last night involving how we handle photos. Most of the changes were internal, but here's what you should see:
Other, non-photo changes recently:
Please let me know if you see any weirdness, especially with photos and photo attachments. Thanks, Mark
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Re: Suggestion for files section
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 01:49 pm, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
I'd go for those. Even Periodic, Scheduled, or Notification might fit better than Notice? Sigh, all these tweeky little cases for Mark to handle. But at least itYeah, I certainly don't envy him all these details. I suspect some are super simple to do (for him anyway), but there are bound to be some that will have him banging his head against the wall. ;>) If it were me, I'd be jumping from one piece to another and probably end up with a real mess. Judging from Mark's Trello page, he seems to be pretty organized and disciplined though. One thing at a time and don't rush any of it. Duane
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Re: Suggestion for files section
Duane,
On an Event announcement, the message to the group includes ...Oops, terminology again. I wasn't referring to the message sent if you Check "Send Invite to the group" - that happens when you post the event. By "Announcement" I meant the proposed feature to send a message at the date & time of the event (as also opposed to Reminders, which goes out ahead of the event by the amount of time you select). Can we call those three things "Invites" (sent when event posted), "Reminders" (sent ahead of event), and "Announcements" (sent at the time of the event)? There may be a better word to use for "Announcement", as I can see where you might not be alone in inferring that to be synonymous with an "Invite". "Notice"? A tad generic, but I think it avoids the implication of being sent in advance. It also might fit better with the intended use as a way to send periodic group rules and other ... notices. Hmm, maybe that works. "Invite", "Reminder", and "Notice". On an all day event (one day), it shows the date with 12:00am forRight, and I think for all-day events those lines could be omitted in all event-related messages. It shows Where: with nothing after it for Location.And there too, if the field is blank the whole line could be omitted. Sigh, all these tweeky little cases for Mark to handle. But at least it isn't adding any complexity to the user interface (apart from the one new control for sending an "Announcement" or not). -- Shal On 4/2/2015 11:15 AM, Duane wrote: On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:23 am, Shal Farley<shal@roadrunner.com>
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Re: Suggestion for files section
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 10:23 am, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
On an Event announcement, the message to the group includes the Event Name as the title, Start & End Date & Time, and Location. On an all day event (one day), it shows the date with 12:00am for start and end times, along with the time zone. It shows Where: with nothing after it for Location. As you mentioned, having a slightly different format for Announcement would be better. Duane
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Using the calendar for reminder notices (was: Suggestion for files section)
I really love using the calendar for that. It's way more flexible than Yahoo's auto reminder notice feature. Nifty set up on the calendar, Mark. Well done. Trish
On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Steph <hsrsp@...> wrote: I started using the calendar for scheduled important moderator/owner messages and I leave the location blank.
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