Date   

locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 As mod owner I can see it, but not as a member.. I don't feel members need information on members..

Participating in groups is the only thing they should care about... 

´
Vickie

 







From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

Hi,

Well, not so much the IP, but I think the headers could help, if you're on a tech list.

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

>
>
>  You don't need IP in the header,  there are ways to find the members IP.. very easily.
> Besides you don't want to educate your members how to profile a member ..
> Don't know about you, but privacy of my members is very important
> If I could as mod owner  I would hide my members emails, IP  from each other and it would be visible to
> my eyes only.ch4
>
>
>
>
> Vickie
>
>

>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>
> From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
> To: beta@groups.io
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?
>
>
> Hi,
> But the problem is, we currently can't see email clients. A friend of mine that said that the groups.io headers are kinda challenging. And I'm just thinking, it should show IP and client, although, I think it already shows IP?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: vickie via Groups..io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
> To: beta@groups.io
> Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 4:57 pm
> Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?
>
> >
> >
> > You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
> > The only information I find in full headers with your email is
> >
> >
> > Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > ch4
> > Vickie
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
> > To: beta@groups.io
> > Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:42 AM
> > Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > LOL, I joined a place from school, yesterday.
> >
> > Sent from a BrailleNote
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Diana Gregory" <diana@...
> > To: beta@groups.io
> > Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 07:38:19 -0700
> > Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to
> > ban amemberwithout approving them?
> >
> > Not sure what happens when someone subscribes, but like now, I
> > could
> > scan your IP.
> >
> > I'm not sure how this would help..
> >
> > If I subscribe from here at home, that's one IP.  If I subscribe
> > from the shop - that's another.  And if I'm on a tablet and at
> > a Wifi hotspot, it could be anything....
> >
> > I tend to think people are going to "go home and subscribe", but
> > reality in this world is someone might decide to join on their
> > ride home in a wifi-enabled subway, at a coffee shop, at lunch,
> > etc.
> >
> > dg
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Sent from a Braille Sense
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sent from a Braille Sense






locked Re: Judy ---What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Judy, I tried yesterday to contact you off list but the email was kicked back to me.
You never received it. I was trying to send you some websites you can use  to check IP #'s

You can search for them if you have a need to use them.
 

´
Vickie

 







From: J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Thanks Vickie for the information.  I am an owner and moderator of various Yahoo groups.  Where do you find this type information?
 
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA
 
From: vickie via Groups.io [mailto:vickie_00@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
 
 Mark,
 
You probably know this , but not sure if every  moderators is  aware of this..
.
Effective April 2013, Yahoo will no longer allow registration of new Yahoo ID’s using the "rocketmail.com" or "ymail.com" domains. . Existing Rocketmail and Ymail accounts are not affected by this change. However
 though rocketmail and ymail accounts are no longer being issued,  you should be able to use your rocketmail account still unless it has been 12 months since you logged on.
 
 If  the member has not logged on in the 12  month  timeline with either rocketmail or ymail  the email   is lost to the member.
´
Vickie
 
 




 

From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
 
Hi Shal,
 
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Shal Farley <shalfarley@...> wrote:

I note that while most of the members in the Bouncing tab of my PTA group have red "Bounced" icons, some have blue "Bouncing" icons. One such pair (31356 and 31961, respectively) have nearly identical histories: a single "Recent Bounces" entry from Gmail with a 550 error (account does not exist). So what's different?
Ok, all this is probably more complicated than it should be. I just had to refresh my memory by looking at the code.
 
Bouncing means that we've stopped delivering email and are sending bounce probes every 3 days now. Bounced means that we've sent 4 bounce probes with no resolution, so we've stopped sending probes and will do nothing more.
 
To get on bouncing status, you need to bounce for 8 consecutive days.. Also, if we don't receive a bounce over a 4 day period, we reset things.
 
If we get what we consider a 'hard' bounce, indicating that an email address doesn't exist, we immediately put the person on Bouncing status. Bounce messages are different for every server, so I've done my best to compile messages from the major providers that indicate incorrect email addresses, but there are many cases where we still don't detect this. Not a big deal, since they'll get on Bouncing status eventually.
 
So, for your pair, we detected a hard bounce immediately and put them on Bouncing status, where after 12 days they will transition to Bounced status.
 
Something else odd: no member has anything listed under "Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt". But wouldn't that be the same as the most recent bounce?
Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt is for temporary failures (server is busy, DNS is down, etc), where we're still trying to send the message. When we get a bounce, we stop trying to deliver that particular message, and that's recorded in Recent Bounces. If we got a bounce message on the first attempt to send the email, then there wouldn't be a Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt.
 
 
 
Something else odd: both those members should have received several messages by now. Unless their presence in the Bouncing tab means that delivery to them has ceased. But if that's the case, how did another member (31074) rack up a list of recent bounces (but again, no Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt), when that member's bounce reason was just as severe - 554 from Yahoo (this user doesn't have an account).
The reason he racked up a bunch of Recent Bounces is that we weren't recognizing that bounce message as a hard bounce. I've just added that to the code so future rocketmail addresses that don't exist will be treated as hard bounces.
 
I'm curious as to why he was put on bouncing status when he was, but I'll need some time to dig through that.
 
 
Finally, there appears to be no way to Download a list of the bouncing members. The Download tab includes them (which I think is good) but none of the columns indicates that they have bouncing status.
I've just added a User Status column to the download data.
 
Hope this helps. I know it's confusing, and I welcome any suggestions for improvement.
 
Thanks,
Mark 
 



locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,

Well, not so much the IP, but I think the headers could help, if you're on a tech list.

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 9:06 pm
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?



You don't need IP in the header, there are ways to find the members IP.. very easily.
Besides you don't want to educate your members how to profile a member ..
Don't know about you, but privacy of my members is very important
If I could as mod owner I would hide my members emails, IP from each other and it would be visible to
my eyes only.ch4




Vickie












From: rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?


Hi,
But the problem is, we currently can't see email clients. A friend of mine that said that the groups.io headers are kinda challenging. And I'm just thinking, it should show IP and client, although, I think it already shows IP?

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups..io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?



You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
The only information I find in full headers with your email is


Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com




ch4
Vickie













From: rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?


Hi,
LOL, I joined a place from school, yesterday.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Gregory" <diana@catsandme.net
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 07:38:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to
ban amemberwithout approving them?

Not sure what happens when someone subscribes, but like now, I
could
scan your IP.

I'm not sure how this would help.

If I subscribe from here at home, that's one IP. If I subscribe
from the shop - that's another. And if I'm on a tablet and at
a Wifi hotspot, it could be anything....

I tend to think people are going to "go home and subscribe", but
reality in this world is someone might decide to join on their
ride home in a wifi-enabled subway, at a coffee shop, at lunch,
etc.

dg









Sent from a Braille Sense






Sent from a Braille Sense


locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 rajmund,


P.S. Search your own IP, tell me what you find in your group.io log

Does it indicate your location?
 

´
Vickie

 





locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

rajmund,
You are correct.. NJ.
 

´
Vickie

 





 


From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

Hi Vicky,
You are in New Jersey, according to the IP scan. And yes, I have found it in the groups.io logs.



locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Sorry, I was supposed to write Vickie.

Sent from a Braille Sense


locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi Vicky,
You are in New Jersey, according to the IP scan. And yes, I have found it in the groups.io logs.

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 8:17 pm
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?



Yes, that is a google IP.. You can't find out the members location or internet service with that IP..


Here, is information on that IP


General IP information:
IP:209.85.212.179
Decimal:3512063155
Hostname:mail-wi0-f179.google.com
ISP:Google
Organization:Google















ch4
Vickie














From: Jim Poston <poston@vch-nv.us>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?



On 4 Sep 2015 at 15:57, vickie via Groups.io wrote:


You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
The only information I find in full headers with your email is

Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com

Not sure where you're looking, but one of the received headers on his message was:


Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com
[209.85.212.179]) by groups..io




--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us


<< XYZZY ...... nothing happens. >>




Sent from a Braille Sense


locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 You don't need IP in the header,  there are ways to find the members IP.. very easily.
Besides you don't want to educate your members how to profile a member .. 
Don't know about you, but privacy of my members is very important
If I could as mod owner  I would hide my members emails, IP  from each other and it would be visible to 
my eyes only.´


Vickie

 





 


From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

Hi,
But the problem is, we currently can't see email clients. A friend of mine that said that the groups.io headers are kinda challenging. And I'm just thinking, it should show IP and client, although, I think it already shows IP?

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

>
>
> You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
> The only information I find in full headers with your email is
>
>
> Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com
>

>
>
> ch4
> Vickie
>
>

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
> To: beta@groups.io
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?
>
>
> Hi,
> LOL, I joined a place from school, yesterday.
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Diana Gregory" <diana@...
> To: beta@groups.io
> Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 07:38:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to
> ban amemberwithout approving them?
>
> Not sure what happens when someone subscribes, but like now, I
> could
> scan your IP.
>
> I'm not sure how this would help.
>
> If I subscribe from here at home, that's one IP.  If I subscribe
> from the shop - that's another.  And if I'm on a tablet and at
> a Wifi hotspot, it could be anything....
>
> I tend to think people are going to "go home and subscribe", but
> reality in this world is someone might decide to join on their
> ride home in a wifi-enabled subway, at a coffee shop, at lunch,
> etc.
>
> dg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sent from a Braille Sense






locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

If multiple emails are that much of a concern for you, then require that
prospective members forward a copy of the driver's license or other ID.
Then you could keep a one person, one email policy.


This would create a sour note with members in that it is an invasion of privacy
I would not make such a request.. I don't have concerns ..
I only allow  one email per member in my group..   and once I approve them
I check my archives to keep track of any emails they switched to , to use in the forum.
I will ban   the email they did not join with..  Newbie members are notified about this upon joining.

My members are very dedicated to their group and if a newbie  member acts out of turn
they would contact me off list with  the  email  they received  from the disruptive member  along with
 the full header so I can make a better assessment on the problem..
They also  know to do this if not I can't help them because I am not going to just take their word for it without proof.

´
Vickie

 





 


From: Jim Poston <poston@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

On 4 Sep 2015 at 16:59, vickie via Groups.io wrote:

> Moderating a freecycle group could present a problem  for me if
> members joined  my group with different emails   because members will
> want to double dip wanted messages or respond to offers with different
> emails including posting the same wanted  more than once in one month..

If multiple emails are that much of a concern for you, then require that
prospective members forward a copy of the driver's license or other ID.
Then you could keep a one person, one email policy.

I think it would also reduce your problem of email volume, because fewer
people would join.

--
Jim
Poston@...

<<                Not gonna do it .... wouldn't be prudent!                  >>






locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Yes, this is a good idea.

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 5:11 pm
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?



Another idea is
Perhaps moderators can have their own group.io email that can be used in however many .io groups you create..


ch4
Vickie












From: rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?


Hi,
Just one issue. Does this mean I can use my groups.io email with
anything? If so, I like the idea. Otherwise, I don't see it
working.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "vickie via Groups.io" <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:46:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Hmm, I am thinking that would present a problem with group. io
bouncing emails...
I am shooting an idea here and keep in mind I am not tech
savvy... Perhaps, Group.io before anyone joins a group they
have to create a group.io email? This way the email is in the
group.io system"..Perhaps this can help combat anyone trying to
join with multiple emails and perhaps the bouncing problem would
come to an end"For security reasons do you think this would work?

ickie






From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Vickie,

If a member is using the same email in yahoo group(s) and
group.io
would the bouncing affect group.io also?

No, but yes.

That is, groups.io would not be aware of the bouncing status
within
Yahoo Groups, but if that email address is also rejecting
messages from
groups.io then it will end up with bouncing status here too.

I suspect that most causes of bounce status (such as a disabled
email
address) would affect both systems equally. But it is possible
that a
blacklist filter could reject messages from one service but not
the
other, leading to different status in the two systems.

-- Shal












Sent from a Braille Sense


locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
But the problem is, we currently can't see email clients. A friend of mine that said that the groups.io headers are kinda challenging. And I'm just thinking, it should show IP and client, although, I think it already shows IP?

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?



You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
The only information I find in full headers with your email is


Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com




ch4
Vickie













From: rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?


Hi,
LOL, I joined a place from school, yesterday.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Gregory" <diana@catsandme.net
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 07:38:19 -0700
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to
ban amemberwithout approving them?

Not sure what happens when someone subscribes, but like now, I
could
scan your IP.

I'm not sure how this would help.

If I subscribe from here at home, that's one IP. If I subscribe
from the shop - that's another. And if I'm on a tablet and at
a Wifi hotspot, it could be anything....

I tend to think people are going to "go home and subscribe", but
reality in this world is someone might decide to join on their
ride home in a wifi-enabled subway, at a coffee shop, at lunch,
etc.

dg









Sent from a Braille Sense


locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 I am just as lost as you are on how.. 

´
Vickie <-- Not a tech  guru.. lol
 





 


From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Hi,
Yep, I did read, but thought I'd just point it out there. On further consideration, that email would have to support POP3, and imap protocols. Although, emissives.com already has it, so it might be something that can be done, but not sure how it can.

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

>
>
>  I am not a techie guru, I guess that would be an option only Mark can answer..
>
>
> I only came up with the idea..lol
>
>
> ch4
> Vickie
>
>

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
> To: beta@groups.io
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
>
>
> Hi,
> Just one issue.  Does this mean I can use my groups.io email with
> anything? If so, I like the idea.  Otherwise, I don't see it
> working.
>
> Sent from a BrailleNote
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "vickie via Groups.io" <vickie_00=yahoo..com@groups..io
> To: beta@groups.io
> Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:46:24 +0000 (UTC)
> Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
>
> Hmm, I am thinking that would present a problem with group.  io
> bouncing emails...
> I am shooting an idea here and keep in mind I am not tech
> savvy...  Perhaps, Group.io  before anyone joins a group they
> have to create a group.io email? This way the email is in the
> group.io system"..Perhaps this can help combat anyone trying to
> join with multiple emails and perhaps the bouncing problem would
> come to an end"For security reasons do you think this would work?
>
> ickie
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      From: Shal Farley <shal@...
> To: beta@groups.io
> Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
>
> Vickie,
>
> If a member is using the same email in yahoo group(s) and
> group.io
> would the bouncing affect group.io also?
>
> No, but yes.
>
> That is, groups.io would not be aware of the bouncing status
> within
> Yahoo Groups, but if that email address is also rejecting
> messages from
> groups.io then it will end up with bouncing status here too.
>
> I suspect that most causes of bounce status (such as a disabled
> email
> address) would affect both systems equally.  But it is possible
> that a
> blacklist filter could reject messages from one service but not
> the
> other, leading to different status in the two systems.
>
> -- Shal
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Sent from a Braille Sense






locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 Yes, that is a google IP.. You can't find out  the members location or internet service with that IP..

 Here,  is information on that IP

General IP information:

IP:209.85.212.179
Decimal:3512063155
Hostname:mail-wi0-f179.google.com
ISP:Google
Organization:Google







´
Vickie

 





 


From: Jim Poston <poston@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 3:05 PM
Subject: Re: Email logs and [beta] Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

On 4 Sep 2015 at 15:57, vickie via Groups.io wrote:

> You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
> The only information I find in full headers with your email is
>
> Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com

Not sure where you're looking, but one of the received headers on his message was:

Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com
 [209.85.212.179]) by groups..io


--
Jim
Poston@...

<<                       XYZZY ..... nothing happens.                        >>
  



locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Rajmund <brajmund2000@...>
 

Hi,
Yep, I did read, but thought I'd just point it out there. On further consideration, that email would have to support POP3, and imap protocols. Although, emissives.com already has it, so it might be something that can be done, but not sure how it can.

----- Original Message -----
From: vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Date: Friday, 4 September 2015 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?



I am not a techie guru, I guess that would be an option only Mark can answer..


I only came up with the idea..lol


ch4
Vickie













From: rajmund <brajmund2000@gmail.com>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?


Hi,
Just one issue. Does this mean I can use my groups.io email with
anything? If so, I like the idea. Otherwise, I don't see it
working.

Sent from a BrailleNote

----- Original Message -----
From: "vickie via Groups.io" <vickie_00=yahoo..com@groups.io
To: beta@groups.io
Date sent: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 15:46:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Hmm, I am thinking that would present a problem with group. io
bouncing emails...
I am shooting an idea here and keep in mind I am not tech
savvy... Perhaps, Group.io before anyone joins a group they
have to create a group.io email? This way the email is in the
group.io system"..Perhaps this can help combat anyone trying to
join with multiple emails and perhaps the bouncing problem would
come to an end"For security reasons do you think this would work?

ickie






From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Vickie,

If a member is using the same email in yahoo group(s) and
group.io
would the bouncing affect group.io also?

No, but yes.

That is, groups.io would not be aware of the bouncing status
within
Yahoo Groups, but if that email address is also rejecting
messages from
groups.io then it will end up with bouncing status here too.

I suspect that most causes of bounce status (such as a disabled
email
address) would affect both systems equally. But it is possible
that a
blacklist filter could reject messages from one service but not
the
other, leading to different status in the two systems.

-- Shal












Sent from a Braille Sense


locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

I did my own research google searching the information.
I just got tired of so many bounced members post neo..
In turn I made all my members sign in to their Yahoo ID accounts.

I then  created a "question" poll  and  each member had to vote on what problems they were encountering

This allowed me to find out  what problems members had participating with the group
I worked with them to fix the problem
I narrowed down which members were receiving  or not  receiving messages .
I narrowed down all the dead email accounts. I removed them from the group.
Ymail and rocket mail not permitted to be used as their Yahoo ID  while sumitting messages with another email account.. Preferably I suggested they drop the rocket mail and Ymail in the event the new yahoo email upgrade
became a problem with what is a classic email.. Most of my members agreed and chose a different Yahoo ID
 
I narrowed down what emails were  working with yahoo groups and which ones were not
It seems AOL  is still having some problems
The problem is on the aol server side..
Today I have  Zero (0) bouncing members even my aol members are not bouncing...


 

´
Vickie

 







From: J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Thanks Vickie for the information.  I am an owner and moderator of various Yahoo groups.  Where do you find this type information?
 
Judy F.
SW Florida - USA
 
From: vickie via Groups.io [mailto:vickie_00@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
 
 Mark,
 
You probably know this , but not sure if every  moderators is  aware of this..
.
Effective April 2013, Yahoo will no longer allow registration of new Yahoo ID’s using the "rocketmail.com" or "ymail.com" domains. . Existing Rocketmail and Ymail accounts are not affected by this change. However
 though rocketmail and ymail accounts are no longer being issued,  you should be able to use your rocketmail account still unless it has been 12 months since you logged on.
 
 If  the member has not logged on in the 12  month  timeline with either rocketmail or ymail  the email   is lost to the member.
´
Vickie
 
 




 

From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?
 
Hi Shal,
 
On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Shal Farley <shalfarley@...> wrote:

I note that while most of the members in the Bouncing tab of my PTA group have red "Bounced" icons, some have blue "Bouncing" icons. One such pair (31356 and 31961, respectively) have nearly identical histories: a single "Recent Bounces" entry from Gmail with a 550 error (account does not exist). So what's different?
Ok, all this is probably more complicated than it should be. I just had to refresh my memory by looking at the code.
 
Bouncing means that we've stopped delivering email and are sending bounce probes every 3 days now.. Bounced means that we've sent 4 bounce probes with no resolution, so we've stopped sending probes and will do nothing more.
 
To get on bouncing status, you need to bounce for 8 consecutive days... Also, if we don't receive a bounce over a 4 day period, we reset things.
 
If we get what we consider a 'hard' bounce, indicating that an email address doesn't exist, we immediately put the person on Bouncing status. Bounce messages are different for every server, so I've done my best to compile messages from the major providers that indicate incorrect email addresses, but there are many cases where we still don't detect this. Not a big deal, since they'll get on Bouncing status eventually.
 
So, for your pair, we detected a hard bounce immediately and put them on Bouncing status, where after 12 days they will transition to Bounced status.
 
Something else odd: no member has anything listed under "Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt". But wouldn't that be the same as the most recent bounce?
Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt is for temporary failures (server is busy, DNS is down, etc), where we're still trying to send the message. When we get a bounce, we stop trying to deliver that particular message, and that's recorded in Recent Bounces. If we got a bounce message on the first attempt to send the email, then there wouldn't be a Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt.
 
 
 
Something else odd: both those members should have received several messages by now. Unless their presence in the Bouncing tab means that delivery to them has ceased. But if that's the case, how did another member (31074) rack up a list of recent bounces (but again, no Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt), when that member's bounce reason was just as severe - 554 from Yahoo (this user doesn't have an account).
The reason he racked up a bunch of Recent Bounces is that we weren't recognizing that bounce message as a hard bounce. I've just added that to the code so future rocketmail addresses that don't exist will be treated as hard bounces..
 
I'm curious as to why he was put on bouncing status when he was, but I'll need some time to dig through that.
 
 
Finally, there appears to be no way to Download a list of the bouncing members. The Download tab includes them (which I think is good) but none of the columns indicates that they have bouncing status.
I've just added a User Status column to the download data.
 
Hope this helps. I know it's confusing, and I welcome any suggestions for improvement.
 
Thanks,
Mark 
 



locked Re: Email logs and Question, is there a way to ban amemberwithout approving them?

 

On 4 Sep 2015 at 15:57, vickie via Groups.io wrote:

> You can't check IP on Gmail accounts anyway..
> The only information I find in full headers with your email is
>
> Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com

Not sure where you're looking, but one of the received headers on his message was:

Received: from mail-wi0-f179.google.com (mail-wi0-f179.google.com
 [209.85.212.179]) by groups.io


--
Jim
Poston@...

<<                       XYZZY ..... nothing happens.                        >>
  


locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

 

On 4 Sep 2015 at 16:59, vickie via Groups.io wrote:

Moderating a freecycle group could present a problem  for me if
members joined  my group with different emails   because members will
want to double dip wanted messages or respond to offers with different
emails including posting the same wanted  more than once in one month..
If multiple emails are that much of a concern for you, then require that
prospective members forward a copy of the driver's license or other ID.
Then you could keep a one person, one email policy.

I think it would also reduce your problem of email volume, because fewer
people would join.

--
Jim
Poston@vch-nv.us

<< Not gonna do it ... wouldn't be prudent! >>


locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Mark, 
 I forgot to add..  in reference to:  
you should be able to use your rocketmail account still unless it has been 12 months since you logged on.

A member can use a Ymail or Rocketmail as  their yahoo ID along with another email.  
The problem is they sometimes forget about the yahoo ID and never sign into that account.
This is true with any Yahoo ID besides rocketmail and ymail.
If they haven't signed in, then they have not updated to the new  yahoo mail upgrade.
In turn they will not receive group messages.
Hence it will bounce






 





 




From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Hi Shal,

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Shal Farley <shalfarley@...> wrote:

I note that while most of the members in the Bouncing tab of my PTA group have red "Bounced" icons, some have blue "Bouncing" icons. One such pair (31356 and 31961, respectively) have nearly identical histories: a single "Recent Bounces" entry from Gmail with a 550 error (account does not exist). So what's different?

Ok, all this is probably more complicated than it should be. I just had to refresh my memory by looking at the code.

Bouncing means that we've stopped delivering email and are sending bounce probes every 3 days now. Bounced means that we've sent 4 bounce probes with no resolution, so we've stopped sending probes and will do nothing more.

To get on bouncing status, you need to bounce for 8 consecutive days.. Also, if we don't receive a bounce over a 4 day period, we reset things.

If we get what we consider a 'hard' bounce, indicating that an email address doesn't exist, we immediately put the person on Bouncing status. Bounce messages are different for every server, so I've done my best to compile messages from the major providers that indicate incorrect email addresses, but there are many cases where we still don't detect this. Not a big deal, since they'll get on Bouncing status eventually.

So, for your pair, we detected a hard bounce immediately and put them on Bouncing status, where after 12 days they will transition to Bounced status.
 
Something else odd: no member has anything listed under "Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt". But wouldn't that be the same as the most recent bounce?

Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt is for temporary failures (server is busy, DNS is down, etc), where we're still trying to send the message. When we get a bounce, we stop trying to deliver that particular message, and that's recorded in Recent Bounces. If we got a bounce message on the first attempt to send the email, then there wouldn't be a Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt.


 
Something else odd: both those members should have received several messages by now. Unless their presence in the Bouncing tab means that delivery to them has ceased. But if that's the case, how did another member (31074) rack up a list of recent bounces (but again, no Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt), when that member's bounce reason was just as severe - 554 from Yahoo (this user doesn't have an account).

The reason he racked up a bunch of Recent Bounces is that we weren't recognizing that bounce message as a hard bounce. I've just added that to the code so future rocketmail addresses that don't exist will be treated as hard bounces.

I'm curious as to why he was put on bouncing status when he was, but I'll need some time to dig through that.

 
Finally, there appears to be no way to Download a list of the bouncing members. The Download tab includes them (which I think is good) but none of the columns indicates that they have bouncing status.

I've just added a User Status column to the download data.

Hope this helps. I know it's confusing, and I welcome any suggestions for improvement.

Thanks,
Mark 



locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Judy F.
 

Thanks Vickie for the information.  I am an owner and moderator of various Yahoo groups.  Where do you find this type information?

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: vickie via Groups.io [mailto:vickie_00@...]
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2015 2:26 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

 

 Mark,

 

You probably know this , but not sure if every  moderators is  aware of this..

.

Effective April 2013, Yahoo will no longer allow registration of new Yahoo ID’s using the "rocketmail.com" or "ymail.com" domains. . Existing Rocketmail and Ymail accounts are not affected by this change. However

 though rocketmail and ymail accounts are no longer being issued,  you should be able to use your rocketmail account still unless it has been 12 months since you logged on.

 

 If  the member has not logged on in the 12  month  timeline with either rocketmail or ymail  the email   is lost to the member.

´

Vickie

 

 





 


From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

 

Hi Shal,

 

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Shal Farley <shalfarley@...> wrote:


I note that while most of the members in the Bouncing tab of my PTA group have red "Bounced" icons, some have blue "Bouncing" icons. One such pair (31356 and 31961, respectively) have nearly identical histories: a single "Recent Bounces" entry from Gmail with a 550 error (account does not exist). So what's different?

Ok, all this is probably more complicated than it should be. I just had to refresh my memory by looking at the code.

 

Bouncing means that we've stopped delivering email and are sending bounce probes every 3 days now. Bounced means that we've sent 4 bounce probes with no resolution, so we've stopped sending probes and will do nothing more.

 

To get on bouncing status, you need to bounce for 8 consecutive days.. Also, if we don't receive a bounce over a 4 day period, we reset things.

 

If we get what we consider a 'hard' bounce, indicating that an email address doesn't exist, we immediately put the person on Bouncing status. Bounce messages are different for every server, so I've done my best to compile messages from the major providers that indicate incorrect email addresses, but there are many cases where we still don't detect this. Not a big deal, since they'll get on Bouncing status eventually.

 

So, for your pair, we detected a hard bounce immediately and put them on Bouncing status, where after 12 days they will transition to Bounced status.

 

Something else odd: no member has anything listed under "Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt". But wouldn't that be the same as the most recent bounce?

Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt is for temporary failures (server is busy, DNS is down, etc), where we're still trying to send the message. When we get a bounce, we stop trying to deliver that particular message, and that's recorded in Recent Bounces. If we got a bounce message on the first attempt to send the email, then there wouldn't be a Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt.

 

 

 

Something else odd: both those members should have received several messages by now. Unless their presence in the Bouncing tab means that delivery to them has ceased. But if that's the case, how did another member (31074) rack up a list of recent bounces (but again, no Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt), when that member's bounce reason was just as severe - 554 from Yahoo (this user doesn't have an account).

The reason he racked up a bunch of Recent Bounces is that we weren't recognizing that bounce message as a hard bounce. I've just added that to the code so future rocketmail addresses that don't exist will be treated as hard bounces.

 

I'm curious as to why he was put on bouncing status when he was, but I'll need some time to dig through that.

 

 

Finally, there appears to be no way to Download a list of the bouncing members. The Download tab includes them (which I think is good) but none of the columns indicates that they have bouncing status.

I've just added a User Status column to the download data.

 

Hope this helps. I know it's confusing, and I welcome any suggestions for improvement.

 

Thanks,

Mark 

 


locked Re: What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 Mark,

You probably know this , but not sure if every  moderators is  aware of this..
.
Effective April 2013, Yahoo will no longer allow registration of new Yahoo ID’s using the "rocketmail.com" or "ymail.com" domains. . Existing Rocketmail and Ymail accounts are not affected by this change. However
 though rocketmail and ymail accounts are no longer being issued,  you should be able to use your rocketmail account still unless it has been 12 months since you logged on.

 If  the member has not logged on in the 12  month  timeline with either rocketmail or ymail  the email   is lost to the member.
´
Vickie

 







From: Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2015 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] What is "Bouncing" versus "Bounced"?

Hi Shal,

On Fri, Sep 4, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Shal Farley <shalfarley@...> wrote:

I note that while most of the members in the Bouncing tab of my PTA group have red "Bounced" icons, some have blue "Bouncing" icons. One such pair (31356 and 31961, respectively) have nearly identical histories: a single "Recent Bounces" entry from Gmail with a 550 error (account does not exist). So what's different?

Ok, all this is probably more complicated than it should be. I just had to refresh my memory by looking at the code.

Bouncing means that we've stopped delivering email and are sending bounce probes every 3 days now. Bounced means that we've sent 4 bounce probes with no resolution, so we've stopped sending probes and will do nothing more.

To get on bouncing status, you need to bounce for 8 consecutive days.. Also, if we don't receive a bounce over a 4 day period, we reset things.

If we get what we consider a 'hard' bounce, indicating that an email address doesn't exist, we immediately put the person on Bouncing status. Bounce messages are different for every server, so I've done my best to compile messages from the major providers that indicate incorrect email addresses, but there are many cases where we still don't detect this. Not a big deal, since they'll get on Bouncing status eventually.

So, for your pair, we detected a hard bounce immediately and put them on Bouncing status, where after 12 days they will transition to Bounced status.
 
Something else odd: no member has anything listed under "Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt". But wouldn't that be the same as the most recent bounce?

Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt is for temporary failures (server is busy, DNS is down, etc), where we're still trying to send the message. When we get a bounce, we stop trying to deliver that particular message, and that's recorded in Recent Bounces. If we got a bounce message on the first attempt to send the email, then there wouldn't be a Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt.


 
Something else odd: both those members should have received several messages by now. Unless their presence in the Bouncing tab means that delivery to them has ceased. But if that's the case, how did another member (31074) rack up a list of recent bounces (but again, no Most Recent Unsuccessful Attempt), when that member's bounce reason was just as severe - 554 from Yahoo (this user doesn't have an account).

The reason he racked up a bunch of Recent Bounces is that we weren't recognizing that bounce message as a hard bounce. I've just added that to the code so future rocketmail addresses that don't exist will be treated as hard bounces.

I'm curious as to why he was put on bouncing status when he was, but I'll need some time to dig through that.

 
Finally, there appears to be no way to Download a list of the bouncing members. The Download tab includes them (which I think is good) but none of the columns indicates that they have bouncing status.

I've just added a User Status column to the download data.

Hope this helps. I know it's confusing, and I welcome any suggestions for improvement.

Thanks,
Mark