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locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Duane
 

Chris,

I have to disagree with your point #1. On the Yahoo groups I was on, many with 1000 members or more, the databases were mostly updated by users. They could have been maintained by an owner/moderator, but that would have created more work for them. I found out how important this was when I started alternative groups on another service. Users will send me updates, I integrate them into the file, and upload the new version. When updates are frequent, it takes a lot of time.

I've done some testing to see if a Wiki page would work, but it's somewhat limited and not very intuitive. It looks to me like it would get clumsy after more than a few entries were needed.

Duane


locked Re: New Subscription Options

 

What?

Robert.

-----Original Message-----
From: Laurence Taylor Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2015 10:57 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Re: New Subscription Options

On 23/01/2015 09:52, @robertgmam wrote:

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locked Re: Home Page Formatting #suggestion

Duane
 

Chris,

That all depends on the users and the group. I'd rather not have Top Posters (nor Recent Photos when implemented) shown on the page visible to the public like it is now. If it was a public group, I wouldn't mind so much. I think the ultimate solution would be for which items are displayed to be controlled by the group owner. Maybe a limited subset could be configurable. I would think that Group Description, Group Settings, and Group Email Addresses should always be shown. Message History was also a concern for a lot of Yahoo group owners to indicate activity. Top Hashtags could go either way.

For me, the group home page is a very temporary stop, if I see it at all. I've got bookmarks to the archives/messages set up for most of them. I want it to have enough information to entice folks to join, but not so much that it looks cluttered.

Duane


locked Re: POLL: Change Archives to Messages?

Laurence Taylor
 

On 23/01/2015 18:55, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Should we change the name Archives to Messages?
Yes. Call the messages messages.


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locked Re: New Subscription Options

Laurence Taylor
 

On 23/01/2015 09:52, @robertgmam wrote:

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locked Re: The case for social logins

 

Social logins as an option maybe, but I wouldn't want it as a required way to log in. A lot of my members aren't on google+ or facebook and have no plans to be.

On Mon, Jan 26, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Chris Leong <walkraft@...> wrote:

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.

  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate.



locked The case for social logins

 

I believe that social logins (ie. login via Google or Facebook) are some of the most important features that this site could have.

  1. Social logins are convenient for users who forgot their password.
  2. Many people use a password manager. If they aren't at their computer, then they can't log into Groups.io.
  3. Social logins reduce the friction in signing up for a site.
  4. Groups.io bills itself as a "modern" alternative to Yahoo/Google groups. Social logins would help create this branding and hence increase the sign up rate.


locked Re: Home Page Formatting #suggestion

 

I'm not a fan of the home page either. User's generally want to see what kinds of messages are being posted in a group. Email addresses, top tags, top posters, ect. are all interesting, but generally not the first thing you want to see. I'd be fine if this was moved into an info page for advanced users.


locked Re: Lightweight "integrations" - link only #suggestion

 

This is actually a rather cool idea. I would love to see a real API, but even this feature would make certain integrations much easier.

An interesting question - should there be some visual indication that certain links are external services so that user's know they are going off-site?


locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

 

I agree with Shal. I would be very disappointed if Groups.io became limited by what Yahoo Groups was. Bringing groups over from Yahoo groups would provide a short term boost for the site, but in the longer term Groups.io needs to develop into its own service.

One point worth remembering is that Yahoo Groups made the decision to drop the database feature, presumably based on metrics of its use. Now this doesn't automatically mean that this was a good decision - even if only a small number of groups are affected, perhaps these were some of the most important groups on the site.

However, it's worth considering a few points:

  1. In most cases, the admins maintain the databases, and don't need to provide edit access to normal members. An external service could work well in this scenario.
  2. Yahoo groups doesn't offer the databases feature any more, so Groups.io doesn't necessarily need to offer this feature to convince people to switch over as long as it is better than Yahoo groups in other ways. Groups.io definitely is better in many ways.
  3. Wikis provide much of the same features. If Mark adds features like sorting, then this would close most of the gap. Some people have more trouble adapting to technological change than others, but if they need a feature enough, they are likely to learn how to use it.
  4. Once the feature is added, it needs to be maintained. Further, removing a feature that has been added will annoy a large number of users and reduce the trust of user's who don't even use that feature because a feature that they need may be removed in the future. Therefore, it seems that if a database feature were to be added, it should only be added when it becomes clear that such a feature is necessary. The Wiki will work well for most small groups, larger groups are more likely to need the specific functions of the database. Since there aren't large groups on Groups.io, this need isn't clear.
  5. A generic API would solve this use case and so many others.
  6. Re the alternative of spicing up the Wiki: The ability to sort tables in a Wiki is cool, even there was a separate database feature as well, so the effort of going down this path wouldn't be wasted.

For all these reasons, I'd strongly recommend against implementing a database feature at a current time.


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Hey,

I'm actually quite curious about the use case for a "scheduled files" feature.

- Chris


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 




On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:53 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Thanks Trish.  I don’t have  a group set up so I can’t check it out.  If it does what I mentioned below, then I’m happy. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

 

Trish

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA



locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

On 1/25/2015 6:11 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively. Example: When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time. If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them. If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.
We do that on Freecycle as well. Especially since we
are in Belmont, CA - and a lot of people from Belmont,
MA(? MD?) keep trying to join.

dg


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Thanks Trish.  I don’t have  a group set up so I can’t check it out.  If it does what I mentioned below, then I’m happy. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

 

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

 

Trish

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


locked Re: accessing groups.io

Cacky B
 

I use Chrome, but it has been long enough ago that I can't remember having a problem.  It seems to me that I just followed whatever prompts there were.  Since you created her group, try inviting her to be a member.  At that point she should be able to get on the group, and you can make her an owner.

Cacky

On 1/25/2015 7:54 PM, Donna wrote:

I have some additional information from the member that I referenced in my initial message with this subject. 

It turns out that when she first tried to go to groups.io, she was putting .com on the end.  She has since corrected that and went ahead and registered with groups.io.  She wanted to create a group to be a sister group to the one on Yahoo.  However, after filling everything out and clicking the button to create the group, there was no group. 

I did a search for the group name and did not find it.  So, I offered to create it for her.  I had no problem creating the group and sent her the URL.  When she clicked on the URL,  she had to sign in; but, all she got was a page that showed the URL; but, nothing else. 

She is using Google Chrome for her browser.  Is there anybody else in the group using Google Chrome and not having problems?

I would like to offer her some ideas that might work for her.. 


Donna








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locked Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestion

Judy F.
 

David, as I stated in my other note, we have a lot of members that know very
little about the computer and groups. What you are saying is probably great
if everyone knows how to use Wordpress and Google sites, etc. It's also
easy for any of us to say something is 'easy' to use because we know how to
use it.

The member loss on most groups was the change from Yahoo Groups classic to
Neo. These people were comfortable with what they had and the terminology
and then Neo came along and not only did they change the entire format, but
also changed the terminology. Most of those people just couldn't handle it.
Now I'm not saying that's the case with everyone, but I do know it was with
a large number of them.

Before everyone yells at me that you can't always keep the old things, I'm
well aware of that. I am one of the first Yahoo Groups members that got hit
with Neo in August 2013 so I struggled through all of the mess. I will add
here, if it hadn't been for the User Group that Shal has, I would have given
up in September 2013. LOL

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: David P. Dillard [mailto:jwne@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 9:31 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: The Biggest Deal Breaker -- Database #suggestions



I certainly agree that it makes lots of sense to keep the database feature
seperate from the Wiki feature and to make the database tool like what folks
are used to on Yahoo Groups of old with improvements seen to make it better.

However one need not fear using the Wiki feature on Groups IO as it works
just like Wordpress and Google Sites, both of which I find very easy to use
for simple text and linked documents.

One can easily build content on a Word document or its equivalent and simply
paste this preformated content including hyperlinked text and color from the
Word document or other source right into the Wiki and it works just fine.


Here is a link to the page I just created:


https://groups.io/org/groupsio/Net-Gold/
wiki/Articles-Published-by-David-Dillard


OR


http://tinyurl.com/mo99vzl


Warning, I use content pages like this Wiki to share information, not to
create artistic and beautifully designed websites. Others will need to
teach these skills if they are applicable to this Wiki.

Furthermore, there is only one WAVE accessibility error for the documment
I created, which is excellent. WAVE seems to want a title above the black
bar and in checking on edit I could not find a way to put a title there.
If anyone knows how to do this, I am all eyes (this being a print rather
than audio media).



Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@...


On Sun, 25 Jan 2015, @trishm wrote:

Add me in as a second vote for a database.

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, Feathered Leader
<featheredleader@...> wrote:

Judy,

You can put tables and things in a wiki, but if you don't understand
how to use it, like I don't, it's not as easy to
use.

Polls are on the TO DO list. Mark just hasn't decided I guess, on
whether we can have a database instead of a wiki,
or both. But I'll count you as the first vote for the database
feature.

Now lets gather a lot more! Your post is a perfect example of what
I'm looking for. Tell Mark in here what you use
the database for, and hopefully if we get enough votes or people to
tell him we want it here, maybe he'll make it for
us. :)

Brenda






locked Re: accessing groups.io

 

I'm using Chrome and not having any problems so far.
Version 40.0.2214.91 m

​Trish

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Donna <pnwfemale@...> wrote:

I have some additional information from the member that I referenced in my initial message with this subject. 

It turns out that when she first tried to go to groups.io, she was putting .com on the end.  She has since corrected that and went ahead and registered with groups.io.  She wanted to create a group to be a sister group to the one on Yahoo.  However, after filling everything out and clicking the button to create the group, there was no group. 

I did a search for the group name and did not find it.  So, I offered to create it for her.  I had no problem creating the group and sent her the URL.  When she clicked on the URL,  she had to sign in; but, all she got was a page that showed the URL; but, nothing else. 

She is using Google Chrome for her browser.  Is there anybody else in the group using Google Chrome and not having problems?

I would like to offer her some ideas that might work for her. 


Donna






locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

 

Judy,

What you need is in Settings > Member Notices.

Trish

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 9:11 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@...> wrote:
Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively.  Example:  When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time.  If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them.  If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason.  The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Duane, if it doesn't also provide a way to send an automatic message to a specific email address, when they are pended, actually join, leave group, denied, etc. that doesn't help those of us that use that feature in Yahoo Groups quite extensively. Example: When someone joins the selling group, they are pended and an email is automatically, sent asking for required information and ask that it be returned within a certain amount of time. If we get it within that time and all of the information is there, I then approve them. If I don't get it in that amount of time, I deny the request to join.

I really don't see how the calendar can do this type thing, since it isn't a recurring event and is directed to a specific email address for a specific reason. The others are for information purposes only.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Duane [mailto:txpigeon@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 8:09 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files settings

pnrfan,

You may be on to something there, using the calendar. I had done a test a few days ago to see what the Reminder looks like when emailed. It seems to contain the text from the Description box, Date, and Location. Other than having a Date and Location included, it shouldn't be too bad. I'm pretty sure that the Date can't be blank. I'm not sure about Location, but I think it can. I guess you could enter the group name here, just so it wouldn't be blank? Set up an Event, Repeat... for whatever interval and Never Ends. It does have the weekly, monthly, yearly, and a few other options.

Off to test!

Duane


locked Re: Suggestion for files settings

Judy F.
 

Trish, please let us know what you find out.  I am very interested in knowing. 

 

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

 

From: pnrfan@... [mailto:pnrfan@...]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2015 7:13 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Suggestion for files settings

 

I'm going to play around with the calendar feature for this and see if it can meet my groups' needs.

 

On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 2:40 AM, christopher hallsworth <challsworth2@...> wrote:

Oh yes please. I have uploaded welcome messages to my lists which contain some guidelines. Currently, members have to view it on the website. Thanks, any updates greatly appreciated.

 

On 24 Jan 2015, at 23:39, pnrfan@... wrote:

 

I don't know if this has been mentioned by anyone yet, but it would be a useful feature for my groups.

 

When uploading files, I'd like to have the ability to have that file be sent to to the group members automatically periodically. For example, once a week, once a month, once a year, or on a certain date. 

 

I'd also like an option to send it to them when they join the group for something other than the generic groups.io welcome message. I have several different files that go out to new members.

 

Thanks

Trish