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locked Re: conformation of muted topics

 

Hi Emily,

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 07:20 am, emily fallenangel09@... wrote:

would it be possible that when you mute a topic on a group, you can get an email conformation that says something like... the topic such and such, from such and such group, has been muted

Welcome to the beta group. Sorry I haven't replied sooner. Thanks for the suggestion. I'd like to get some more information, if you don't mind. When you're muting a topic, are you doing so by clicking a link in the email footer, or are you clicking the 'Mute This Thread' link when reading on the groups.io website? Are you finding that you're accidentally muting threads without knowing it?

Thanks, Mark


locked Re: moderate thread vs close thread

 

On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:42 AM, ro-esp <ro-esp@dds.nl> wrote:

From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 23:40:08 PDT

Hm... On a related thought, a frequent request on Yahoo Groups suggestion
board was to be able to moderate a thread: meaning that postings in this
thread are always sent to the pending list.

seems to make sense.
Agreed. I've added it to the todo list.

Thanks,
Mark


locked moderate thread vs close thread

ro-esp
 

From: Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com>
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 23:40:08 PDT

Hm... On a related thought, a frequent request on Yahoo Groups suggestion board was to be able to moderate a thread: meaning that postings in this thread are always sent to the pending list.
seems to make sense. It's perfectly possible that new information (such as a law coming into effect) makes it necessary to reopen the thread.
Or that some of the "discussion" devolves into ad-hominems.



groetjes, Ronaldo


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locked Re: Attachments

 

I also think there needs to be a way to prevent that for important attachments. . . . . .
I think that goes along with the request to provide a way to copy an attachment into the Files section. I'd suggest that "copy" mean creating a second link to the data, not a literal copy of the data (so that the copy doesn't cost extra storage). I think that means having something like inode reference counts in Unix filesystems. . . . . .
In this case the presence of the additional link(s) could prevent the attachment from disappearing from the message (no sense breaking that if the group elected to keep the file content).
Could the file move rather than copy, but carry the links along with it? Once it's out of the folder that deletes files, would it be saved indefinitely? (Yeah, I know, this sounds like a real non-tech statement.)
Dano


locked Re: Attachments

 

Mark,

I've had a request for a setting where attachments are automatically
deleted after a specified time. I think that seems like a reasonable
request, especially since there's a limit to how much space each group
has for attachments/files/photos/etc. Is there anything else I should
consider when thinking about this feature?
I also think there needs to be a way to prevent that for important attachments.

I think that goes along with the request to provide a way to copy an attachment into the Files section. I'd suggest that "copy" mean creating a second link to the data, not a literal copy of the data (so that the copy doesn't cost extra storage). I think that means having something like inode reference counts in Unix filesystems.

In this case the presence of the additional link(s) could prevent the attachment from disappearing from the message (no sense breaking that if the group elected to keep the file content).

Maybe, like my TiVo, there needs to be a limited duration "Undelete" list, where the (about to be permanently) deleted attachments spend some time in limbo, affording the moderator a chance to review them and recover the desired ones. I guess that's also the equivalent of Windows' Recycle bin. Or maybe that's just a bit much.

Also, somewhat related, is the following: If you compose an HTML
message with a photo in it (not just as an attachment), often what
happens is that when someone else replies to that message (and does
not trim the quoted message), the photo is included in the reply. I
have seen this build up over multiple replies, so that you end up with
5-10 copies of the same photo in a thread (and therefore in the
Emailed Photos folder). This is not a good experience for many
reasons.
If the HTML images are sourced as "cid:" references it might not be too hard to recognize that they are all the same content, discard all but one, and fixup the other references ("how hard could it be?", he says glibly). That's assuming the various email systems aren't in the habit of recoding the images when they quote them.

I've seen a recent trend towards sourcing them as "data:". Maybe it is feasible to convert them all to a common "cid:" reference to a single MIME part? I don't know if there are semantic or syntactic reasons that might be a bad idea.

Of course, if the images are external ("http:" sourced) then there isn't a storage problem at all, in either the email message or the stored attachments.

-- Shal


locked Re: Updates #changelog

 

Mark,

btw, I'm not thrilled with how the dropdown for the sort options
looks. I'll be trying to figure out a better way for that.
Well, you could highlight the option that's currently in effect. That makes it somewhat more functional if no less ugly.

Or collapse the pairs into a single selection that toggles direction. I'm not a big fan of toggle functionality (quick: is it showing what it is or what it will do?) but it does make the list look neater.

-- Shal
(I vote for "what it is")


locked Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design

 

Mark,

Their message bounces back with an error message saying the thread is
closed.
Hm... On a related thought, a frequent request on Yahoo Groups suggestion board was to be able to moderate a thread: meaning that postings in this thread are always sent to the pending list. That may sometimes be a more graceful way to handle a troublesome thread than outright closure.

-- Shal


Duane wrote:
Hopefully a simple question. What happens if I close a thread and
someone replies a few days later? I doubt that I'll ever close any, but
wondered about the consequences.


locked Re: Updates #changelog

Judy F.
 

You are welcome, but a bigger thanks to you for being right there to listen and better yet to change things and fast also. I like the Posted option being added.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Fletcher [mailto:markf@corp.groups.io]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 10:16 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Updates #changelog

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Mark, in your third bullet does ‘when they were taken’ mean when the
photo was actually taken or when it was posted. The photo could have
been posted yesterday, but may have been taken 2 years ago. When it
was taken doesn’t do anything for some groups, but when it was posted is helpful.
I've added 'Posted' sort options as well now. Thanks.

btw, I'm not thrilled with how the dropdown for the sort options looks. I'll be trying to figure out a better way for that.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Attachments

 

I've had a request for a setting where attachments are automatically deleted after a specified time. . . . .
Is there anything else I should consider when thinking about this feature?
We have older members who may be able to imbed an image but not be able to figure out how to make a formal attachment. (Yeah, digital one-trick ponies.) The list owner or moderator needs to be able to move some of those attachment files to regular photo folders and defeat the automagic deletion for that file. Otherwise, 60 days is probably plenty. Is there a way to let the small attachments (maybe 20 Kb or smaller) go through and NOT be sent to the Attachments folder? Then those that are parts of signatures could go with the message, or even go away. **Although** some may need to be moved to photo folders if it's a small image that's pertinent to the discussion.

I'm also assuming that owners/moderators can go in and delete those monster images that get attached by those guys who just don't understand file sizes. We had a 10 Mb attachment on one group a few weeks ago that annoyed a number of people. It may also require replacing a resized version of the same image

If you compose an HTML message with a photo in it (not just as an attachment), often what happens is that when someone else replies to that message (and does not trim the quoted message), the photo is included in the reply. I have seen this build up over multiple replies, so that you end up with 5-10 copies of the same photo in a thread (and therefore in the Emailed Photos folder). . . . . I don't know the best way to improve this. One solution is for me to try to figure out if an attachment is referenced by a quoted part, and if it is, to delete it from the message. But if you view the quoted part, you'll end up with broken image links. . . . . Thoughts?
If it's the same image, will it have the same file name and date? Can the system delete the latest versions of a file with the same date and name? As for images in quoted, I think users just need to understand that quoted text strips images. All they have to do to see the image is click on thread view and scroll down a little.

Dano


locked Updates #changelog

 

Afternoon updates to the site:

  • In the group threads view, for people with editing privileges, there's now a dropdown that contains options for merging threads, closing threads, deleting threads, and making threads sticky.
  • Emails generated by the calendar are a bit smarter: if there isn't a location specified in the event, then the Location: field isn't displayed in the message. Also, for all day events, only the date is now displayed.
  • Added 'Posted' sort options for photos.
  • Bug fix for # of recent messages in the 'Your Groups' page.

Mark


locked Re: Using the calendar for reminder notices (was: Suggestion for files section)

 

e On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:11 AM, Trish <pnrfan@gmail.com> wrote:
I really love using the calendar for that. It's way more flexible than
Yahoo's auto reminder notice feature. Nifty set up on the calendar, Mark.
Well done.
Thank you! :)

Mark


locked Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:14 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
Hopefully a simple question. What happens if I close a thread and someone replies a few days later? I doubt that I'll ever close any, but wondered about the consequences.
Their message bounces back with an error message saying the thread is closed.


Just thought of a related question. Can I "Unclose" a thread?
Yep. It's called 'Reopen Thread' and appears in the dropdown for closed threads.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Updates #changelog

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 5:12 PM, J. Faulkner <jfaulkner44@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Mark, in your third bullet does ‘when they were taken’ mean when the photo
was actually taken or when it was posted. The photo could have been posted
yesterday, but may have been taken 2 years ago. When it was taken doesn’t
do anything for some groups, but when it was posted is helpful.
I've added 'Posted' sort options as well now. Thanks.

btw, I'm not thrilled with how the dropdown for the sort options
looks. I'll be trying to figure out a better way for that.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design

Duane
 

Hopefully a simple question. What happens if I close a thread and someone replies a few days later? I doubt that I'll ever close any, but wondered about the consequences.

Just thought of a related question. Can I "Unclose" a thread?

Duane


locked Re: No more recent messages #bug

 

On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 7:00 PM, JohnF via Groups.io
<johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
On my "Your Subscriptions" page, it now says every group I'm a member of has
0 "Recent Messages", including beta, despite there having been a message
less than an hour ago. This was working yesterday.
Ah yes, I called this "Project FOMO" (fear of missing out). The idea
is that if it says there have been no recent messages, you won't feel
like you've missed anything! In this fast paced world, it's a little
respite. A calm within the social media storm, if you will.

Ahem. Stupid bug, fixed now. Thanks for catching it. :)

Mark


locked Re: "Start merge" next to every thread clutters the design

 

On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Chris Leong <walkraft@gmail.com> wrote:
I think that the thread view would be better if "start merge" wasn't
displayed next to every thread. Merging is an option that you hopefully
won't need to use too often. By adding it next to every post, it clutters up
the design. What I'd suggest instead is a little arrow that linked to other
advanced option. This could include merging, making the thread sticky,
closing the thread and deleting the thread.
Excellent idea. Just pushed to the site. When it refreshes, it goes
back to the beginning of the list. I will fix that at some point so it
returns to where you where.

Thanks,
Mark


locked No more recent messages #bug

 

On my "Your Subscriptions" page, it now says every group I'm a member of has 0 "Recent Messages", including beta, despite there having been a message less than an hour ago.  This was working yesterday.

JohnF



locked Re: Suggestion for files section

Judy F.
 

Thanks Shal and I understand it, but where I'm having a hard time is having 'invite' used for a new calendar event and another 'invite' to 'invite' someone to join the group.

Judy F.
SW Florida - USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Shal Farley [mailto:shal@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2015 8:45 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Re: Suggestion for files section

Judy F,

> Would you explain to me what 'invite' is pertaining to the calendar?
> I think this is really confusing when you have two invites that I > think do two different things.

Yes, two very different things. But I think each is clear enough in its own context.

When you create an entry on the calender there's a checkbox for "Send Invite To Group", which really means sending an invitation to the event.
So if the "event" you are posting on the calendar is a swap meet, then this option posts a message to your group inviting everyone to attend the swap meet.

That Invite goes out immediately when you post the event on the calendar. That makes it distinct from Reminders (which go out in advance of the event by an hour, a day or however much time you select).

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files section

 

Judy F,

Would you explain to me what 'invite' is pertaining to the calendar?
I think this is really confusing when you have two invites that I
think do two different things.
Yes, two very different things. But I think each is clear enough in its own context.

When you create an entry on the calender there's a checkbox for "Send Invite To Group", which really means sending an invitation to the event. So if the "event" you are posting on the calendar is a swap meet, then this option posts a message to your group inviting everyone to attend the swap meet.

That Invite goes out immediately when you post the event on the calendar. That makes it distinct from Reminders (which go out in advance of the event by an hour, a day or however much time you select).

-- Shal


locked Re: Suggestion for files section

Duane
 

Thanks, Shal. That's one of the great things about this site, specifically this group, sharing viewpoints and seeing how others interpret things. The clearer it is, the less mistakes we should make.

Duane