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Re: Attachments as links
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM, D R Stinson <dano@mt.net> wrote:
Do these seem like good tiers to everyone? It seems like (these days), 50kb can be taken up by a single smiley face gif, so maybe that should be higher? I'm wondering if the wording should be more like Small/Medium/Large/Unlimited, instead of telling them specific byte sizes. Default would be the smallest and an introductory message to new members could explain their options.I would think the default would be Unlimited. What do people think? As Shal mentioned a long time ago, I agree that this should be a part of a 'membership template' that the group owner can define. Which means that maybe it shouldn't even be an option on a user's profile, it'd just be on a per-subscription basis. Thoughts? Thanks, Mark
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
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Ok, I just pushed the changes. Calendar invites are tagged with
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#cal-invite. Reminders are tagged with #cal-reminder. And you can add tags to event names and they'll be parsed out and handled correctly. When I add the option to send out a notice when an event happens, it'll be tagged with #cal-notice. Thanks, Mark
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 05:05 pm, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:Or even cal- or c- to save a few bytes. Definitely something distinctive though.
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Re: Attachments as links
Laurence Taylor
Diana Gregory <diana@catsandme.net> wrote:
Another thought just to throw out -Another downside is that it requires the reader to go to a web site in order to see the attachment, which may be inconvenient (if they read offline) or even impossible (they might receive email at work but have restricted web access). -- rgds LAurence <><
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
#suggestion
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 05:05 pm, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Or even cal- or c- to save a few bytes. Definitely something distinctive though. Duane
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
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Mark,
Ok, how about this: Event reminders always get the tag #reminder.How about "calendar-reminder", "calendar-invite", and "calendar-notice"? My though here is that the default ones should be overly specific, so as not to conflict with hashtags the group itself might pick. And I'll make it so that tags in the event name are handled correctlyI like that. -- Shal
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Re: Attachments as links
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Diana Gregory <diana@catsandme.net> wrote:
The way the system works right now is that each (free) group has 1GB of storage space. That's for all attachments, photos, and files. We don't count the text within emails in that number and we don't count wiki text. When we receive an email, we pull all the attachments out of the message and store them elsewhere (Amazon S3) while storing the (hopefully now much smaller) email in a database. When viewing the original message, or downloading the archives, or editing a message, we reverse the process, pulling the attachments from S3 to rebuild the original email. When viewing the attachments in the archives, we just point to the attachments at S3, and they're served from there. (When a group is set to strip attachments, then we do just that before any other processing, and no attachments get stored in S3). More than you ever wanted to know. :) We already do what Dano's asking for with digest messages. The only issue (I think) with adding this as a per-user option is figuring out what the options should be. Thanks, Mark
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Updates
#changelog
Changes to the site today:
I have also been working on the ability to delete attachments, and it's unfortunately taking longer than I thought it would (one or two false starts). Mark
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
#suggestion
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:47 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
Ok, how about this: Event reminders always get the tag #reminder.Or another alternative is that I could just use some sort ofA default hashtag for every reminder is probably a good thing; allowing a Event invites, if they're sent to the group, get the tag #event. And when we support the option to send the event when it happens, that also gets tagged #event. And I'll make it so that tags in the event name are handled correctly as well. Thoughts? Thanks, Mark
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Re: Attachments as links
On 4/9/2015 1:03 PM, J. Faulkner wrote:
Diana, that a good idea except for the groups that approve files and photos. Then we have 'stuff' that we have no idea where it came from and we don't want it.Maybe a 3rd "attachment" folder - where things can be staged? Moved to the file/photo folders when approved, deleted if not? Definitely not a well-thought out option, but something that Dano's post popped into my head... dg
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Re: Attachments as links
Dano,
I also see a possible need for group owners to be able to resampleFor attached images that would likely be a straightforward elaboration on the Pending message editor. For each attached image a selector could be available to remove the image or resample it to one of a few preset bounding-box sizes - somewhat as Flickr's download option offers various sizes. For images used inline in an HTML message body there is the complication of where to put the controls for it. Maybe in the formatting toolbar when the image is selected in the edit window. Would a link in an archived message be pointed to the replacementIf it were not for the storage limits in Groups.io I'd strongly favor storing the original, and letting people download the size they prefer. But given those restrictions, and the likely need for managing the group's storage budget, maybe storing the the resampled image should at least be an option. -- Shal
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Re: Attachments as links
Judy F.
Diana, that a good idea except for the groups that approve files and photos. Then we have 'stuff' that we have no idea where it came from and we don't want it.
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Judy F. SW Florida - USA
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From: Diana Gregory [mailto:diana@catsandme.net] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 3:16 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: Re: [beta] Attachments as links Another thought just to throw out - stripping an attachment and sticking it into a file or photo "folder" and replacing it with a link in the email is one way to handle it, and could be done for all attachments. Upside - nobody's mail is brought to its knees Downside - takes up group storage space The other advantage of doing this is the bandwidth of the groups.io server - you have even a small attachment going to a large group - and your sendmail services get brought to *their* knees (an outgoing DOS??). Dano's 9mb attachment sent to 2 or 3 thousand people seems that it could affect all groups trying to send mail out... dg
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Re: Attachments as links
Judy F.
I agree Dano and I have been saying basically this about those members that are computer illiterate and there are also those that really don't care, they do what they want to do causing problems for others.
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From: D R Stinson [mailto:dano@mt.net] Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 2:49 PM To: beta@groups.io Subject: [beta] Attachments as links I've recently been watching another group (not Y! but a private server) melt down into arguing and name-calling because of over-large attachments. I know this is on Mark's list on Trello (''Include attachments as links'' option in profile), but thought this might throw more light on the problem. The situation started when someone sent a 9Mb file as an attachment. I am convinced the member who sent it didn't realize (or perhaps didn't comprehend) the size of the attachment, but it caused a huge uproar and much gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. In the course of the discourse, someone else urged people to get back to the subject at hand and at the same time sent two files with an aggregate size of over 10Mb. It's been somewhat amusing but it brought out a couple points worth noting. The first is there are a great many people, often lurkers who don't say too much, who have older legacy systems and who are unable, due to location or financial limitations, to obtain faster internet access. The second is there are people who don't comprehend file size. I would offer these thoughts on the subject: Members need an option in their profile to set a limit for attachment size, as Mark has added to the list. I would suggest three tiers; 50 Kb, 400 Kb and something around 5Mb, as well as unlimited (no filter). Default would be the smallest and an introductory message to new members could explain their options. I would also suggest this be a limit for the *sum* of attachments to a post. If some smaller images would in aggregate be under the self-imposed limit, those images might go through with links to the rest. Anything larger would be links. I also see a possible need for group owners to be able to resample images down for some images coming in. I'm not sure how this might work, but I'm offering it up for discussion. I know Irfanview has a simple resample option, and there are others. I'm also concerned about how this would relate to copyright. It might be necessary to include in a monthly notice that large files are subject to resampling, and by posting, the member agrees to such. Would a link in an archived message be pointed to the replacement image? This is currently the biggest problem that keeps me from migrating a couple groups. I know we have a few tech illiterates and people with various system limitations. who will need this to stay active and protect others. Again, I'm offering these thoughts for discussion. Like everything else, I'm sure there are unanticipated complications, but working them through might help this feature get closer to implementation. Dano
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Re: Attachments as links
Another thought just to throw out -
stripping an attachment and sticking it into a file or photo "folder" and replacing it with a link in the email is one way to handle it, and could be done for all attachments. Upside - nobody's mail is brought to its knees Downside - takes up group storage space The other advantage of doing this is the bandwidth of the groups.io server - you have even a small attachment going to a large group - and your sendmail services get brought to *their* knees (an outgoing DOS??). Dano's 9mb attachment sent to 2 or 3 thousand people seems that it could affect all groups trying to send mail out... dg
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Attachments as links
I've recently been watching another group (not Y! but a private server) melt down into arguing and name-calling because of over-large attachments. I know this is on Mark's list on Trello (''Include attachments as links'' option in profile), but thought this might throw more light on the problem. The situation started when someone sent a 9Mb file as an attachment. I am convinced the member who sent it didn't realize (or perhaps didn't comprehend) the size of the attachment, but it caused a huge uproar and much gnashing of teeth and rending of garments. In the course of the discourse, someone else urged people to get back to the subject at hand and at the same time sent two files with an aggregate size of over 10Mb. It's been somewhat amusing but it brought out a couple points worth noting.
The first is there are a great many people, often lurkers who don't say too much, who have older legacy systems and who are unable, due to location or financial limitations, to obtain faster internet access. The second is there are people who don't comprehend file size. I would offer these thoughts on the subject: Members need an option in their profile to set a limit for attachment size, as Mark has added to the list. I would suggest three tiers; 50 Kb, 400 Kb and something around 5Mb, as well as unlimited (no filter). Default would be the smallest and an introductory message to new members could explain their options. I would also suggest this be a limit for the *sum* of attachments to a post. If some smaller images would in aggregate be under the self-imposed limit, those images might go through with links to the rest. Anything larger would be links. I also see a possible need for group owners to be able to resample images down for some images coming in. I'm not sure how this might work, but I'm offering it up for discussion. I know Irfanview has a simple resample option, and there are others. I'm also concerned about how this would relate to copyright. It might be necessary to include in a monthly notice that large files are subject to resampling, and by posting, the member agrees to such. Would a link in an archived message be pointed to the replacement image? This is currently the biggest problem that keeps me from migrating a couple groups. I know we have a few tech illiterates and people with various system limitations. who will need this to stay active and protect others. Again, I'm offering these thoughts for discussion. Like everything else, I'm sure there are unanticipated complications, but working them through might help this feature get closer to implementation. Dano
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
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Mark,
I like this option best, as it fits with the use of hashtags elsewhereI was not necessarily suggesting that they were exclusive. I could fix it up so that any hashtags entered in the Event NameA separate field would have the advantage of serving as a reminder that the capability exists. Which I think is good. The downside is the extra "clutter" in the edit page and the fact that it is different from message composition. So I guess that makes me ambivalent too. Or another alternative is that I could just use some sort ofA default hashtag for every reminder is probably a good thing; allowing a member to explicitly Follow or Mute all reminders. But I'd still want the ability to set specific hashtags for specific recurring events. -- Shal
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
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Duane,
And then there would be the inevitable BUT. I don't think listSuch owners are misguided, I think. The member can always set a filter in their email system to discard the unwanted reminders. There's little or nothing gained by adding the extra complexity of having an owner option to bypass the message filtering. Yes, I know this mirrors the old argument about allowing owners to disable the "No Mail" setting. -- Shal
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Re: A way to mute reminders from a recurring event
#suggestion
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:35 AM, Shal Farley <shal@roadrunner.com> wrote:
I like this option best, as it fits with the use of hashtags elsewhere (RSS integrations, for example). I could fix it up so that any hashtags entered in the Event Name would be properly displayed and honored as hashtags. An alternative is that I could provide a separate field for just hashtags. Or another alternative is that I could just use some sort of default hashtag for every #reminder. Neither of these options strike me as particularly appealing, tho. Anything else to consider? Thanks, Mark
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Re: Polls
Thank you Duane - I must have missed that! KnyttWytch (so much to do, so little time!) http://www.knyttwytch.co.uk/tempewytchs-crafts-and-s/ http://www.knyttwytch.co.uk/tempewytchhealthyliving/ http://www.knyttwytch.co.uk/tempewytchrecipesdone/
On 9 April 2015 at 13:02, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote: Polls are on Mark's to-do list, https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta-https-groups-io-org-groupsio-beta
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Re: Polls
Polls are on Mark's to-do list, https://trello.com/b/qu3WgzVq/beta-https-groups-io-org-groupsio-beta
I think that and databases are the two biggies that are still missing, although photos still needs some work. Duane
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Polls
Is there an option to have a poll on the io groups? One of the groups I belonged to under Yahell had a monthly photo competition - so the poll option was needed for that.
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