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moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

 

Stay healthy, Mark, and hopefully only the flue!

Victoria


moderated Re: Emails auto-forwarded from yahoo mbox to group loose their original From: header #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:54 PM, Jim Avera wrote:
The point is we have an *existing* email address used to "send messages to the list" (in the old system), and I want messages sent there to go out in the new GIO list.  But only if the sender is authorized to post (this screening function used to be performed by a human, and now is supposed to be automatic with GIO).

The existing email is not secret.  So the original sender MUST be validated before posting messages received via that original posting mbox.
Jim -- I guess I don't understand the problem. Clearly, what we're talking about is not a bug...at worst, it's a missing feature.

Please post to GMF and perhaps we can help you there. I have further suggestions but don't want to extend what amounts to an off-topic thread.

Regards,
Bruce 


moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

Tom Biggs GFCA
 

Praying for your family, Mark.
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Tom Biggs
GFCA


moderated Re: Emails auto-forwarded from yahoo mbox to group loose their original From: header #bug

Jim Avera
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM, Duane wrote:
  On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:38 PM, Jim Avera wrote:
     But ANY message from any user gets posted.
Another but, only if they have the specific email address assigned to the integration.  Highly unlikely that someone would accidentally create that address.
The point is we have an *existing* email address used to "send messages to the list" (in the old system), and I want messages sent there to go out in the new GIO list.  But only if the sender is authorized to post (this screening function used to be performed by a human, and now is supposed to be automatic with GIO).

The existing email is not secret.  So the original sender MUST be validated before posting messages received via that original posting mbox.

P.S. I don't see any way to "assign to the integration" our existing email address.  The only option I see is to generate a new email address of the form groupname+int+gobbledegook@groups.io and forward our existing mbox to that.  Which defeats all posting security AFAICT.   If I'm missing something here please reply -- I don't understand how the "email integration" can be very useful for announce-only groups.  Thanks.


moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

Glenn Glazer
 

Take care of yourself and your family, that's a higher priority. This all can wait.

Best,

Glenn

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PG&E Delenda Est

Virus-free. www.avast.com


moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

Patty Sliney
 

Oh dear, Mark.  Hopefully you can get him tested for the flu.  If he's positive, he can then be prescribed an anti-viral medication.  If he's negative, hopefully you can ask his doctor to test him for COVID-19.  Take care, sending good thoughts your way!

Patty Sliney (RN)



moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

Douglas Swearingen <dougiebehr@...>
 

Prayers for your son and the rest of the family Mark.

Doug


From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Hudson <jhud7789@...>
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 7:42 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [beta] Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc
 
Oh no Mark, y'all stay well out there.
> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note that, like I'm sure with all of you, my productivity is taking a hit right now. Amongst all the craziness, our kids' school is closed for at least 3 weeks, and we're also dealing one of them having (hopefully only) the flu. Customer support/responses to beta@/development work will all be slowed for the foreseeable future.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>





moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

Joseph Hudson
 

Oh no Mark, y'all stay well out there.

On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

Just a quick note that, like I'm sure with all of you, my productivity is taking a hit right now. Amongst all the craziness, our kids' school is closed for at least 3 weeks, and we're also dealing one of them having (hopefully only) the flu. Customer support/responses to beta@/development work will all be slowed for the foreseeable future.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Mark,

 

Praying for your child!

Ken

 

"And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." God

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Monday, March 16, 2020 6:37 PM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: [beta] Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

 

Hi All,

 

Just a quick note that, like I'm sure with all of you, my productivity is taking a hit right now. Amongst all the craziness, our kids' school is closed for at least 3 weeks, and we're also dealing one of them having (hopefully only) the flu. Customer support/responses to beta@/development work will all be slowed for the foreseeable future.

 

Thanks,

Mark


moderated Re: Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

 

Mark,
Yes, hopefully only the flu. 
Take care, everyone.


On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 4:38 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

Just a quick note that, like I'm sure with all of you, my productivity is taking a hit right now. Amongst all the craziness, our kids' school is closed for at least 3 weeks, and we're also dealing one of them having (hopefully only) the flu. Customer support/responses to beta@/development work will all be slowed for the foreseeable future.

Thanks,
Mark


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Mark in the time of COVID-19 #misc

 

Hi All,

Just a quick note that, like I'm sure with all of you, my productivity is taking a hit right now. Amongst all the craziness, our kids' school is closed for at least 3 weeks, and we're also dealing one of them having (hopefully only) the flu. Customer support/responses to beta@/development work will all be slowed for the foreseeable future.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated When re-sending an invite, allow changing any custom message that was sent originally #suggestion

 

Our block group is organizing for the pandemic and trying to get the whole block involved. To that end, we are re-inviting many people who did not act on invites a long time ago. To to this, we are using "send again" from the Sent Invite page, but are discovering to our chagrin that the original (and now completely obsolete) custom messages sent to them years ago are going out to these people again. Hopefully I'm missing something, but I can't find a way to change it. I think the custom message should be editable when re-sending an invite.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: Emails auto-forwarded from yahoo mbox to group loose their original From: header #bug

Duane
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 12:38 PM, Jim Avera wrote:
But ANY message from any user gets posted.
Another but, only if they have the specific email address assigned to the integration.  Highly unlikely that someone would accidentally create that address.  And you could also set the #email hashtag that will be assigned to them as moderated for a backup plan.

Duane


moderated Re: Emails auto-forwarded from yahoo mbox to group loose their original From: header #bug

Jim Avera
 


Ah,perfect!  (the From: and ReplyTo: headers point back to the originating sender).
Not so perfect after all!   This is an announce-only group, so only messages sent by moderators should get posted.  But ANY message from any user gets posted.

So the "email integration" thing is not usable except for completely-open groups.


moderated Re: Emails auto-forwarded from yahoo mbox to group loose their original From: header #bug

Jim Avera
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 07:15 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
Jim -- Consider setting up an email integration for your group and have the forwarder send it's messages to that. 
Ah,perfect!  (the From: and ReplyTo: headers point back to the originating sender).  Thanks for the tip.

P.S. Is there a convention for marking a topic (like this one) "closed" or "solved"?


moderated Re: #suggestion Allow owners more control over the Direct-Add initial email #suggestion

Jim Avera
 

Hmm, there a BUG/REGRESSION may have crept in to the Direct-Add Notification stuff:

The help text says (I see now) that D-A Notifs are auto-sent if "active". But that is not the case, i.e. a D-A Notif. is not used automatically; and there is no checkbox to make a D-A Notification "active" (like there is for Welcome and Guidelines).

Here is the current help text for the D-A Notification:

Direct Add

Message sent when a moderator direct-adds someone to a premium or enterprise group. The active notice, if any, is used as the initial text and can be edited for one-time use during the Direct Add process. A Direct Add notice is always sent; if the group has not created and activated a custom notice, we activate and use a default.


moderated Database map view scrolling issue for last entry #bug

Andy Wedge
 

When clicking on a map pin, the list of entries automatically scrolls below the map with the selected row being highlighted by a blue bar on the left side. However, if the pin relates to the last entry on the list, scrolling is not quite to the bottom of the page meaning an extra user action is required to show the selected row.

Andy


moderated Re: Emails auto-forwarded from yahoo mbox to group loose their original From: header #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:27 PM, Jim Avera wrote:
If an email account is set up to auto-forward to a GIO group, then the resulting messages appear to be from the forwarding email mbox, not the original sender.   Consequently, a "reply" to the post goes to the forwarding mbox and just loops back to the group (and I suspect that GIO is checking subscriber privs based on the forwarding mbox instead of the original source mbox). 
Jim -- Consider setting up an email integration for your group and have the forwarder send it's messages to that. 

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: #suggestion Allow owners more control over the Direct-Add initial email #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 03:28 AM, Jim Avera wrote:
You have been added by <owner name> to the <group name> group at Groups.io.
In cases where there are multiple owners and/or Mods with the relevant permissions, for clarity, <owner name> should really be <owner/mod doing the DA>.

Andy


moderated #suggestion Allow owners more control over the Direct-Add initial email #suggestion

Jim Avera
 

When a subscriber is Direct Added, the first email they get is a canned message which the owner can not control except to insert text in the middle.  Some portions of that canned text can be inappropriate or confusing for reasons described in this GMF post: https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/30412

I'd like to suggest either:

* Give owners complete control of that initial communication, OR

* Let owners control the initial part, and possibly also the final part, of that first email, and put the canned bits in the middle.

If you do need to force certain text to be included, force only what is strictly necessary and eliminate possibly-wrong/confusing bits (see referenced GMF post for specifics).


Possible implementations:

(1) Eliminate that initial email altogether (or provide an option to not send it), and make the "Direct Add" Notification work like the Welcome Notification, i.e. send it automatically to newly-DA'd subscribers, before the Welcome message (or possibly make it an alternative Welcome sent only to Directly-added subscribers).

The owner could then change the DA Notification as desired to introduce subscribers to the system.

A *default* D-A Notification would contain the canned text, to preserve today's behavior  by default (assumes DA Notif is made to work like Welcome).

--or--

(2) Like (1) above but require that the DA Notification include certain text, perhaps by requiring a "[Required Text]" token somewhere which gets substituted; or else always *append* the required text to the owner's D-A Notification (ideally displaying the added text in the Notification editor so the owner can see what the combined message will look like).  But allow the owner to control the first part of the message, and any group-specific information.

Thanks for considering this suggestion!



P.S. Here is a possible *default* D-A Notification with the forced bits in the middle:

Hello [Name],

You have been added by <owner name> to the <group name> group at Groups.io.

You can visit your group, start reading messages and adjust options here: https://groups.io/g/<group>.

<<BEGIN REQUIRED TEXT>>
The email for this group is: <group>@groups.io.

Most importantly, please add this email address to your safe sender list in your email client’s contacts. If you find emails from this group landing in spam, promo, or social folders, please move those emails to your primary inbox so that you can train your email client to put them directly in your inbox.

If this was a mistake, please click on the following link and you will be immediately removed:

<Unsubscribe link>

<<END REQUIRED TEXT>>

The Groups.io Team