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locked Invite flow redux

 

In "questions (suggestions?) re "status" and "reason" columns in invitations"
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/5241

Ro wrote:

I really think a NOTICE needs to go to the owner/mods that the person
has accepted the invite and is awaiting approval.
Click the Subscription page on that group.
Check the "Email when there are members needing approval." box.
Click the "Save" button at the bottom.

If that was already checked, look for any place your email service or software may have put the notification (such as a spam folder). If you still can't find the notification you may be having deliverability problems with your email service.

I would suggest having a look at the Email Delivery History tab of your Subscription page for that group. But it appears that notifications are not covered by the history mechanism (that's a wish-list item of mine).

Frankly, if we send an invite, why do we need to approve? ... Approval
needs to be AUTOMATIC.
It is (unless that has broken recently). But it is also possible that the member went to the group page and clicked the "Apply For Membership To This Group" button, or used the +subscribe email command, rather than responding to your invitation.

I suppose the system could be a touch more clever, and if a user is attempting to use either of those methods, check to see if there's an outstanding invite for that user and automatically approve them. And conversely, at the time a moderator is sending invitations the system could check to see if that user is already pending approval, and automatically approve them. This action could be noted in the Invitation results page (Pending membership approved, rather than Invitation sent).



-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Invite flow redux

 

It's an unsolved problem but one that can seriously hamper efforts to invite new members. I plan on adding a boilerplate explanation to every invitation. Couldn't the system instead insert such an explanation for now?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2016, at 8:17 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

In "can only be logged in under one email address in same browser?", J wrote:
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/5234

It seems now that clicking on "accept invitation" requires creation of a
password in order to even result in email subscription. It does not
subscribe the member to the group;
Perhaps this can be clarified by changing it to say "visit web site to accept invitation", or some other wording that lets the person know that they'll need to do something at the web site to actually accept the invitation.

(1) replying to the invitation email subscribes the member to the group
(as an email subscriber); but
Correct.

(2) clicking on "accept invitation" does NOT subscribe the member to the
group in any way, even just as an email subscriber.
Which it cannot, due to the auto-click problem...
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4383

Instead, the invitee is taken to the group's page and MUST log in to be
able to join (or subscribe).
That was correct, and may still be. But maybe now the link in an invitation can be made to log the person in automatically. They'd still need to take an action at the site to accept the invitation though.

And it wouldn't work for those who have an auto-click email client. An unsolved problem for another day.

-- Shal





locked Invite flow redux

 

In "can only be logged in under one email address in same browser?", J wrote:
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/5234

It seems now that clicking on "accept invitation" requires creation of a
password in order to even result in email subscription. It does not
subscribe the member to the group;
Perhaps this can be clarified by changing it to say "visit web site to accept invitation", or some other wording that lets the person know that they'll need to do something at the web site to actually accept the invitation.

(1) replying to the invitation email subscribes the member to the group
(as an email subscriber); but
Correct.

(2) clicking on "accept invitation" does NOT subscribe the member to the
group in any way, even just as an email subscriber.
Which it cannot, due to the auto-click problem...
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4383

Instead, the invitee is taken to the group's page and MUST log in to be
able to join (or subscribe).
That was correct, and may still be. But maybe now the link in an invitation can be made to log the person in automatically. They'd still need to take an action at the site to accept the invitation though.

And it wouldn't work for those who have an auto-click email client. An unsolved problem for another day.

-- Shal


locked Re: Password reset

 

It makes sense that you dont have to know the old one. Same as 'forgot password.'

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 18, 2016, at 6:35 PM, JohnF via Groups.io <johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

With Mark's new log-in-via-email-link feature, your member can just go to the login page, click the button to email a link to log in, check her email within 15 minutes, and click the link to log in. Then she can change her password in her profile. (It appears Groups.io lets you change your password without having to know the old one.)

JohnF





locked Re: Lost passwords, no passwords and reset password, oh my

 

Mark,

My testing of the log-in-via-emailed-link method has gone pretty well, but I noticed something I wanted to point out.

I'm currently on a Linux computer. It apparently doesn't have the expected fonts, because on the login page, the buttons are too small to hold their text. They look like:

Email me a link to l...
Sign in with Faceb...
Sign in with Google

I could figure out what "Faceb..." is, but "Email me a link to l..." wouldn't work if I didn't already know what it was.

I checked Brenda's Windows 10 computer, and it shows the full descriptions on the buttons with room to spare, so it's obviously a font issue on my end.

You could probably resolve this by making the buttons slightly longer (as well as the fields above them, as their lengths match). However, it might be better to just change the text to "Sign in by Email", which would better match the other button descriptions, and would probably be short enough to fit. I could let you know if you want to try it.

JohnF


locked Re: Password reset

 

With Mark's new log-in-via-email-link feature, your member can just go to the login page, click the button to email a link to log in, check her email within 15 minutes, and click the link to log in. Then she can change her password in her profile. (It appears Groups.io lets you change your password without having to know the old one.)

JohnF


locked Password reset

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

I have a link sent to me by Mark that can take my members to a password reset page.  I just shared it with a member and she is getting a 404 error message.  Help!  Where can I tell her to go to reset her password!


Janice B

AZ


locked Permissions update

 

Hi All,

I've gone through and made all the permissions uniform for the Calendar, Photos, Files and Database. Moderators can edit/delete everything. Normal subscribers can edit/delete their own stuff.

In addition, for the wiki, I added the ability to lock a page so that only moderators can edit/delete it.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Lost passwords, no passwords and reset password, oh my

 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I just remembered the issue about auto-clicking email clients. Is that an issue here?
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4383

I think I'd rather say "tough luck" to them than lose this feature.

Agreed. In this case, auto clicking will just mean that these people will think the feature doesn't work.

Mark


locked Updates to Trello

Beta Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New comment on card "Lock/unlock pages/moderation" by Mark Fletcher:

Done! When moderators create/edit pages, there's now a checkbox that lets you lock the page so that only moderators can edit it.


[Beta] The card "Lock/unlock pages/moderation" was archived.


locked Re: Lost passwords, no passwords and reset password, oh my

 

Mark,

I just pushed this to the site. Please let me know what you think.
I just remembered the issue about auto-clicking email clients. Is that an issue here?
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/4383

I think I'd rather say "tough luck" to them than lose this feature.

-- Shal


locked Re: Transfering archives of lists hosted on Freelists?

 

Hi Joseph,

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 3:39 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

With the number of lists moving to Groups.IO growing (especially from Yahoo! Groups), I was wondering if you can support transferring message archives from lists hosted by Freelists.org. I ask because there is a group that I moderate at Freelists that wish to join an existing Groups.IO group as a subgroup. Please let us (Freelists users) know if you need more information.


If you can get me the archives in mbox format, then I can definitely import them.

Cheers,
Mark 


locked Transfering archives of lists hosted on Freelists?

 

Hi Mark and others,

With the number of lists moving to Groups.IO growing (especially from Yahoo! Groups), I was wondering if you can support transferring message archives from lists hosted by Freelists.org. I ask because there is a group that I moderate at Freelists that wish to join an existing Groups.IO group as a subgroup. Please let us (Freelists users) know if you need more information.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph


locked Re: questions (suggestions?) re "status" and "reason" columns in invitations

Ro
 

Not so oh semi-learned one!  I sent an invite this am.  Its gone.  It doesnt show accepted, it shows there are no outstanding invites. Nothing. Its gone into la la land.  However, if I try to resend it, it does show an error message, "pending subscriber".  I think it would be good if there were another way to know this besides trying to resend the invite.

WAIT!  I found the pending approval in the Members section.  Hmmm.   I really think a NOTICE needs to go to the owner/mods that the person has accepted the invite and is awaiting approval.  We shouldnt have to keep checking and checking to see that.   Or should it be "see this"??    Frankly, if we send an invite, why do we need to approve?  why would an mod/owner send an invite to someone they didnt want in their group?  Approval needs to be AUTOMATIC. 

I guess thats ALL I can legitimately capitalize here, which is DISAPPOINTING. 

So

1.  Pending invites is not helpful, doesnt show "accepted
2.  shouldnt have to go to Members to see pending approvals, owners/mods should get a notice that invite was accepted
3.   Really, an invite shouldnt NEED acceptance, but should automatically be accepted.  But perhaps others disagree?   Perhaps you invite those you are not sure you want in your group??  Oh, I know, you might still want them to fill out member forms.   perhaps a check mark when sending the invite allowing auto acceptance...??


RobiWanCatNobi

with Sally and Silk auto-accepting snacks,  and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond with tons of humanoids pending approval,,,hey,,,not YOU buster.....you are outta here!!




> Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 14:51:19 -0800
> Subject: [beta] Re: questions (suggestions?) re "status" and "reason" columns in invitations
> To: beta@groups.io
> From: txpigeon@...
>
> Status will show if it's sent or accepted. If there are no problems, either will say success. Once in awhile if I go check them right after sending some, I'll see something else in reason, though I don't remember exactly what it is. I had asked Mark about it and it usually just means there's a delay at the email server for some reason. On one of mine, the email address was "busy" on the server, so IO automatically tried later and it went through.
>
> The invitations stay until you remove them. This was a request from some of us users. You can select all that have accepted and use the "Remove invitation" on the drop down box under them. It's useful if you invite a bunch of folks and are marking them off of a list as they accept. I did it that way when I invited about 100 all at once. I believe there's an item on the TODO list to remove them after some length of time.
>
> Duane
>


locked Re: questions (suggestions?) re "status" and "reason" columns in invitations

Duane
 

Status will show if it's sent or accepted. If there are no problems, either will say success. Once in awhile if I go check them right after sending some, I'll see something else in reason, though I don't remember exactly what it is. I had asked Mark about it and it usually just means there's a delay at the email server for some reason. On one of mine, the email address was "busy" on the server, so IO automatically tried later and it went through.

The invitations stay until you remove them. This was a request from some of us users. You can select all that have accepted and use the "Remove invitation" on the drop down box under them. It's useful if you invite a bunch of folks and are marking them off of a list as they accept. I did it that way when I invited about 100 all at once. I believe there's an item on the TODO list to remove them after some length of time.

Duane


locked Re: Photos and attachments from group site

Ro
 

thanks!


Ro

with Sally and Silk applauding Mark for 5 seconds, then going back to sleep and Handy, Feliz &  Police Kitty patrolling in the Great Beyond where nothing is attached.





Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 13:37:44 -0800
Subject: Re: [beta] Photos and attachments from group site
From: markf@corp.groups.io
To: beta@groups.io

Hi Ro,


Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:
Having successfully moved my group, people on the website, not direct email, want to attach photos/files, or do in line photos to their posts.   Can this be made available please?  for now, it seems it can only be done via direct email.  I have checked settings already and have attachments allowed. 


Ro




locked Re: Photos and attachments from group site

 

Hi Ro,


Thanks,
Mark

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 10:20 AM, Ro <recarlton@...> wrote:
Having successfully moved my group, people on the website, not direct email, want to attach photos/files, or do in line photos to their posts.   Can this be made available please?  for now, it seems it can only be done via direct email.  I have checked settings already and have attachments allowed. 


Ro



locked Re: "ownership"

 

On Sun, Jan 17, 2016 at 1:20 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
I had a member add an item to the calendar.  I made a small revision as a moderator.  Now she can't back in to edit the event.  Is this a result of the recent change for "ownership" of things - files, photos, etc.?

This was a bug. If you edited an event, you 'took ownership' of it, even if it wasn't your event. That's been fixed, and calendar events now have the same permission model as files and photos.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Lost passwords, no passwords and reset password, oh my

 

On Mon, Jan 18, 2016 at 11:44 AM, JohnF via Groups.io <johnf1686@...> wrote:
In general, I like the concept of allowing sign-in-via-email as proposed, and I think it will help reduce confusion.

The main thing I can think of that could go wrong is if an email provider goes out of business (or otherwise stops delivering Groups.io mail for any reason), and a user wants to switch to another email provider.  If that user doesn't have a password and can't log in via Facebook or Google+, is there any way to accomplish that?

In that specific case, no, they're out of luck. But if your email provider goes belly up, the modern Internet user is going to have a lot of problems.

I just pushed this to the site. Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: can only be logged in under one email address in same browser?

 

Still, in the prior scenario and question (multiple accounts, same browser), gmail can do this, right? it would be nice to be able to switch between multiple accounts within the same browser just as gmail allows you to. But I think the "accept invitation" issue is more pressing.