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locked Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site the past two days:

  • CHANGE: Improved Invite flow.
  • NEW: If changing your email address to an alias that you own, delete the alias automatically instead of treating it as an error.
  • NEW: If you attempt to log in, regardless of whether you enter a password or not, and your account does not have a password set, we automatically send a login link.
  • CHANGE: Pending message reject notices are now sent from groupname+owner@groups.io.
  • NEW: 'Send Message' now includes BCC: me and BCC: All moderators options.
  • BUGFIX: Deleting a photo album will not delete photos that you don't own (if you're not a moderator).
  • NEW: Removed reset password mechanism and replaced with 'Email me a link to log in.'
  • CHANGE: Changed permissions model for Calendar to match rest of site.
  • BUGFIX: Fix file upload notifications for files or folders with spaces or commas in their names.
  • NEW: Moderators can lock wiki pages. A locked page can only be edited by a moderator.
  • CHANGE: Permissions model for Files changed so that members can only edit/delete their own files/folders.

Cheers, Mark


locked Re: Group Moderation idea

 

On Sat, Jan 16, 2016 at 4:19 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

> I just checked and when you reject a post, it comes from "noreply", aka
> bit bucket.  I agree that coming from "owner", in case the poster needs
> information or clarification, would make sense.

And in any case, I'd like the To, From, and Subject to be shown while composing the message, more like the other message composition windows. This pop-out window seems a bit idiosyncratic.

> Mark recently added the capability to send a Bcc to "Me" or "All
> Moderators", so that part is covered.

Likewise on "Send Message" from the members list please.

The "Copy me on the message" checkbox is ambiguous, given that From can be either me or the +owner address. As it happens, it really does mean me regardless of the From selection.


Pending message rejection notices are now sent from groupname+owner@groups.io. Also, I've added the 'BCC: me' and 'BCC: All Moderators' check boxes to the Send Message/Post to Subscriber page.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Invite flow

 

Great. If I could get my grubby little hands into this, I would make it clear that simply hitting "reply" causes them to join the group, and that any actual response they send won't be received. Or something like that. Just in case someone sends a customized invitation with a message that a potential member is tempted to respond to...


locked Re: Invite flow

 

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:53 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

"In both cases, replying to the email or visiting the website, a user is created without a password"

In that case, "You will not be added to this group until you click the 'Join this group' button" should read "..until you click the Join this group button or reply to this email." Right? 

"... or reply to the invite email." I'll add it.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Invite flow

 

"In both cases, replying to the email or visiting the website, a user is created without a password"

In that case, "You will not be added to this group until you click the 'Join this group' button" should read "..until you click the Join this group button or reply to this email." Right? 

J


locked Re: Invite flow

 

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 2:37 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

(1) Does clicking on "join" proceed to require them to create a password, as it does now? I still don't like that, especially if simply replying to the email (rather than clicking on anything) gets them right into the group, at least as an email subscriber. I am hoping that clicking on "join" makes them an email subscriber (just as replying to the email does), and THEN goes on to give them the OPTION to create a password - rather than making creation of a password (if they don't already have one) a requirement as it is now.

No. At no time through the invite process is the user asked to create a password.
 

(2) Does simply replying to the email automatically enroll them as an email subscriber, as it does now? If so, I think that should continue to be explicitly stated (as it used to be).


No changes were made to what happens when you reply to an email.

In both cases, replying to the email or visiting the website, a user is created without a password (assuming the user hadn't registered with Groups.io previously on their own). The users created in each case are the same.

Mark 


locked Re: Invite flow

 

p.s. "as it does now" should probably read "as it did prior to these changes"


locked Re: Invite flow

 

Much better.

In the first screen, I am very happy that the person now receives an explanation that their login this time is a one-shot deal. Previously, it could be (and was to me, months ago) confusing that they were logged in once, and thereafter would have problems trying to do it because they didn't create a password (and had no idea how to create one).

In the second screen, I think the language is better but I still have two concerns:

(1) Does clicking on "join" proceed to require them to create a password, as it does now? I still don't like that, especially if simply replying to the email (rather than clicking on anything) gets them right into the group, at least as an email subscriber. I am hoping that clicking on "join" makes them an email subscriber (just as replying to the email does), and THEN goes on to give them the OPTION to create a password - rather than making creation of a password (if they don't already have one) a requirement as it is now.

(2) Does simply replying to the email automatically enroll them as an email subscriber, as it does now? If so, I think that should continue to be explicitly stated (as it used to be).

J


locked Invite flow

 

Hi All,

I've made some changes to the invite system. First, when reviewing outstanding invitations, there is no longer a Reason column, because that only applied to invites that were either Deferred or Failed. The reason why is displayed in those instances only.

I've changed the screen people see when they click on a link in an invitation. It's attached as the screenshot 'Invitation Screen'. I removed the group banner and the text describing the group settings, and added a couple sentences explaining what's going on.

When you click the Join This Group button, your account is confirmed and your subscription is normal, regardless of whether or if you had an account before and regardless of what your subscription status was before (excepting if you were banned). You are also logged into the website. This is the same behavior as before.

I also tweaked the screen seen after accepting an invitation, it's the 'Accepted Invitation' screenshot. I removed the part about setting a password and instead mentioned the ability to have a login link emailed to you.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New Feature: Polls

Sylvester <sylvester2007dc@...>
 

Oh that is great, yahoo always reset the counter..........😁😁😁😁😬😬😬😬😬🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄😳😳😳😳😳
Aggravating to say the least🙄🙄🙄😶
Diane

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

It didn't reset the vote on mine, thank goodness (and Mark ;>) Those that have already voted can go back and change their selection if a newer choice fits better.

Duane






locked Re: New Feature: Polls

Duane
 

It didn't reset the vote on mine, thank goodness (and Mark ;>) Those that have already voted can go back and change their selection if a newer choice fits better.

Duane


locked Re: Invite flow redux

Sylvester <sylvester2007dc@...>
 

When I invite someone I am asking them to walk through the door so to speak. I would not want to stop them and say 'now I approve you'. That is 2 steps instead of one.
As an owner or moderator I have two options that require a different response on its own merit.

1. Invite, with an open door.
2. Let them join through subscription and approve them.

When I amasking for an addition email notification I am also adding extra steps as a owner or moderator.

I have always viewed it this way, if they don't accept the invite, they are the ones missing out.....🙃🙃🙃🙃
As an owner, I have too much on my plate to worry about tracking invites that do not respond...........

But I am sure there maybe be other groups that may have more time to track invites or other reasons the may need this function😀

Diane

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2016, at 3:50 PM, Diana Gregory <diana@catsandme.net> wrote:

On 1/18/2016 8:45 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I really think a NOTICE needs to go to the owner/mods that the person
has accepted the invite and is awaiting approval.
If that was already checked, look for any place your email service or software may have put the notification (such as a spam folder). If you still can't find the notification you may be having deliverability problems with your email service.
Question - why would someone need to be approved if they are responding
to an invitation? They're approving your invitation to join, so I
would assume you want them to join.

I haven't done invitations in so long that I don't know how they work
on other services. Usually I either have an off-line okay to add them
to a list - or they are asking to join a list.

Diana




locked Re: Invite flow redux

 

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:08 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I don't know what's been happening with others, but of the five invitations I've sent out that have been accepted (the rest were part of the mass transfer), two have had difficulty. The first was resolved (it was an issue of a concurrent invitation and membership application). But the second one is still messed up. This person accepted the invitation but didn't at first click on "confirm" so he ended up NC. (I would prefer that the boilerplate invitation emphasize this requirement.)

He would not end up as NC this way. I believe he must have registered with Groups.io on his own at some point, and not replied/clicked on the confirmation email.
 

I saw the NC and emailed him, asking him to either log on from one route or another, or find the confirmation email and reply to it. He responded as follows:

"I just went in and changed the email address I want to use and set a password.  These changes were acknowledged, but it won't let me log in, either with my regular email address or the changed one."


It sounds like there are 2 email addresses involved for him. Can you send me off-list his email address, and I'll investigate?

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: New Feature: Polls

Sylvester <sylvester2007dc@...>
 

When you add new options.
Does it restart the counter to 0?

Diane


Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2016, at 3:24 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

I think Polls are about as close to real time as they can get. As soon as someone makes a choice, the totals are updated. There's nothing that I know of to prevent you from adding more options. I've done it on a couple.

Duane






locked Re: Signature LInes

 

On 18 Jan 2016 at 1:08, D R Stinson wrote:

If
it's not on the TO DO list, how can some people have one? Some
posters in here have a signature line. How are they doing that?
Maybe they're
adding it manually when they compose their message. It's certainly easy enough
to do. Even simpler, compose in a word processing program that automagically
adds it and then just paste it into a message. Dano
There is a difference between signature lines added by the group to all
messages sent from the group (that is or was an option with Yahoo), and
signature lines added to an individual's messages by his/her email client. I
have a set of lines added to the bottom of all my messsages, and they will show
under this message if groups.io does not remove them, but they are set by me in
my email client (Pegasus Mail) it allows me a choice of alternatives, all
pre-written, with the default as used here. It's already on the bottom of the
message before it reaches the groups.io system

Jim Fisher
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locked Re: Invite flow redux

 

p.s. I am telling people, over and over again, that Groups.io is ridikulusly better than Yahoo, but am constantly having to apologize for these invitation, password, login, and join issues. I tell members it's Groups.io's "one remaining weakness" (or "stumbling block" or "rocky thing" etc.) I am always apologizing for it and trying to explain it away, and telling people it will be fixed soon. 

These issues were my worry at the very start and the reason I delayed transferring as long as I did. I'm still really glad I transferred (and have even created a new group here from scratch for a different purpose), but IMHO these issues should take top priority! 

J

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 1:08 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

I don't know what's been happening with others, but of the five invitations I've sent out that have been accepted (the rest were part of the mass transfer), two have had difficulty. The first was resolved (it was an issue of a concurrent invitation and membership application). But the second one is still messed up. This person accepted the invitation but didn't at first click on "confirm" so he ended up NC. (I would prefer that the boilerplate invitation emphasize this requirement.) I saw the NC and emailed him, asking him to either log on from one route or another, or find the confirmation email and reply to it. He responded as follows:

"I just went in and changed the email address I want to use and set a password.  These changes were acknowledged, but it won't let me log in, either with my regular email address or the changed one."

The person, by the way, is one the smartest people I know. And he's completely flummoxed, as am I. I did notice, in the activity log, that the system logged his email changes as if he changed from one email address to same one - i.e., nothing changed. And there are two entires to that effect. I wonder if the system invalidated email address #1, which is identical to email address #2, the one he wanted to "change" to, and therefore won't let him log on because it's been invalidated? That's just a wild guess. I can't imagine this person would intentionally "change" from one email address to the same one, twice in a row. But even if he did, I would think he'd still be able to log on.

J



locked Re: Invite flow redux

 

I don't know what's been happening with others, but of the five invitations I've sent out that have been accepted (the rest were part of the mass transfer), two have had difficulty. The first was resolved (it was an issue of a concurrent invitation and membership application). But the second one is still messed up. This person accepted the invitation but didn't at first click on "confirm" so he ended up NC. (I would prefer that the boilerplate invitation emphasize this requirement.) I saw the NC and emailed him, asking him to either log on from one route or another, or find the confirmation email and reply to it. He responded as follows:

"I just went in and changed the email address I want to use and set a password.  These changes were acknowledged, but it won't let me log in, either with my regular email address or the changed one."

The person, by the way, is one the smartest people I know. And he's completely flummoxed, as am I. I did notice, in the activity log, that the system logged his email changes as if he changed from one email address to same one - i.e., nothing changed. And there are two entires to that effect. I wonder if the system invalidated email address #1, which is identical to email address #2, the one he wanted to "change" to, and therefore won't let him log on because it's been invalidated? That's just a wild guess. I can't imagine this person would intentionally "change" from one email address to the same one, twice in a row. But even if he did, I would think he'd still be able to log on.

J


locked Re: Invite flow redux

 

On 1/18/2016 8:45 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
I really think a NOTICE needs to go to the owner/mods that the person
has accepted the invite and is awaiting approval.
If that was already checked, look for any place your email service or software may have put the notification (such as a spam folder). If you still can't find the notification you may be having deliverability problems with your email service.
Question - why would someone need to be approved if they are responding
to an invitation? They're approving your invitation to join, so I
would assume you want them to join.

I haven't done invitations in so long that I don't know how they work
on other services. Usually I either have an off-line okay to add them
to a list - or they are asking to join a list.

Diana


locked Re: New Feature: Polls

Benoît Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

It's a little a brainstorming poll. It's very usefull to my opinion.


locked Re: WYSIWYG HTML Editor and quote option

Benoit Dumeaux <dread_axefr@...>
 

Le Mardi 19 janvier 2016 21h27, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> a écrit :

If you have your Profile set to prefer HTML posting, all you have to do is select the text that you want to include and click
Reply. The selected text is inserted in the Reply box for you.

Thanks for you answer.

Even if you have your preference set to Plain Text, it will place
the selected text, but obviously not in HTML mode.
:(