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locked Re: Join group flow

 

LMAO. The thing is, until passwords are mostly gone, people are expecting them. And I agree with ditching passwords but I thought the alternative was going to be something physiological. And then you start thinking, "Well, but I can never *change* my fingerprint" etc. So I'm on the fence about it. I'll take it for another spin tomorrow.;)

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 9:03 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:47 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
By the way, the system did not take me back to the "apply for membership" page I was on. It just logged me in and took me to my list of groups.

Bug. Fixed. :-)

Personally, I'd like a world where passwords don't exist at all. And we (the royal We of the Internet, although Mark does like to refer to himself in the third person, which annoys his wife and everyone else around him to no end) are moving in that direction. First with the federated logins of Facebook/Google/etc. And with services that email you links to log in (we're not the first to do that).

I thought by getting rid of the Forgot my password/didn't have a password/reset my password system and replacing it with the Email me a log in link, the service would be easier to use and understand, with no loss of functionality. If you want a password, you can have one. If you forgot your password, or want to change it, no problem either. You could already log in using Facebook or Google without entering your password.

Is Mark wrong? He doesn't like to admit it, but it does happen... sometimes.


Thanks,
Mark



locked Re: Join group flow

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:47 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
By the way, the system did not take me back to the "apply for membership" page I was on. It just logged me in and took me to my list of groups.

Bug. Fixed. :-)

Personally, I'd like a world where passwords don't exist at all. And we (the royal We of the Internet, although Mark does like to refer to himself in the third person, which annoys his wife and everyone else around him to no end) are moving in that direction. First with the federated logins of Facebook/Google/etc. And with services that email you links to log in (we're not the first to do that).

I thought by getting rid of the Forgot my password/didn't have a password/reset my password system and replacing it with the Email me a log in link, the service would be easier to use and understand, with no loss of functionality. If you want a password, you can have one. If you forgot your password, or want to change it, no problem either. You could already log in using Facebook or Google without entering your password.

Is Mark wrong? He doesn't like to admit it, but it does happen... sometimes.


Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Invitations to a group.

 

On 1/22/2016 7:16 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
And if you do miss it no harm done - just request another.
Which prompted that bit - I had just had to request a
confirmation from somewhere *three* times before they
all showed up - in reverse order - leaving even me
wondering which one was the current active/valid one!

For the rest - you are more attuned to this than I am,
so if that works for all, works for me!

dg


locked Re: Invitations to a group.

 

dg,

* By hitting reply to this message, you will be (enrolled,
maybe?) in the group <XXX> as an email-only member, and
will get individual messages sent to this email address.
Correct.

I see no reason to avoid the word "subscribed to". It is less clumsy than "joined to" or "made a member of" in that context.

* By <click here> you will be taken to a page on the Groups.io
site where you can set up a Groups.io userID and password/log
in
"... where you be logged in to the site and subscribed to the group.

While there you can access the group's web resources, and if you like,
create or update your profile and/or password (neither is mandatory)."

Note that in Groups.io your email address serves as your userID - there is no separate ID to create.

if you already have a Groups.io user and password,
and then use the <join?> button to accept this invitation.
There doesn't need to be a second button for this case. We don't even need to say anything about whether the member has a password - everything works just the same.

* By ignoring this message, you will not be enrolled in group
<XXX>. If you already have a Groups.io ID and Password or
create one at a later date, you can request membership later.
I think I like the existing wording better:

"If you are not interested, or if user@example.com is not your email
address, please ignore this email."

* If you want to see what other groups are available, you can
go to <groups.io link> and browse the groups. To access any
web features, you will need to create and use your Groups.io
user and password.
(no harm advertising that it's not just a simple MailMan single
list option)
While I appreciate the idea of promoting Groups.io as a broader service, I'm not sure most group owners would want to distract their invitee with the prospect of looking for other groups.

And, as earlier, there's no ID, and no requirement to create a password. The new log in by email mechanism makes setting a password completely optional.

BTW - I don't like the timeout 15 minutes thing - whatever that
was for - mail sometimes doesn't get to me in 15 minutes, and
a lot of us don't hang around waiting for something to show up
in email.
The message won't be sent unless you just took some action on the web page to trigger it. So in this case you'll be waiting for the message so that you can complete your membership or access your group.

And if you do miss it no harm done - just request another.

-- Shal


locked Bouncing Members

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

I currently have 69 bouncing members.  How will I know when the deadwood has been culled?  I understand that after so many attempts, hard bouncing members are automatically unsubscribed.  Is there some way columns could be added that would keep track of attempts to unbounce--maybe how many chances left for that person.  I'm just thinking more information about their status other than just "bouncing" would be helpful.


Janice B

AZ


locked Re: New - Can Archives Be Edited?

David P. Dillard
 

If you go to the bottom of each message, you will find a "delete" text link that will get rid of unwanted messages when used on each


I hope this helps.


Sincerely,
David Dillard
Temple University
(215) 204 - 4584
jwne@temple.edu
http://workface.com/e/daviddillard

On Fri, 22 Jan 2016, Marcy Heathman wrote:

Howdy - new and excited about the possibilities. 
Before I get into some extensive testing, is it possible to remove the early, "test" messages being sent, or will they be
available forever more? It makes a difference what folks see when they arrive to poke around! 
Thanks!


locked Where is The Google Drive Integration

Armando <braille.bt4753@...>
 

Hi. Do you know where the Google Drive integration is? I looked on the Integration's page, and it is not on the page. Where is it?

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locked Never mind

Armando <braille.bt4753@...>
 

Never mind. I found the Google Drive. It was in the member subscription area.
Thanks.

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locked Updates to Trello

Beta Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New card "For restricted groups, an optional password that lets people join without approval." was added to list "Member Management".


[Beta] The yellow label "Member Management" was added to the card "For restricted groups, an optional password that lets people join without approval.".


[Beta] The description of card "For restricted groups, an optional password that lets people join without approval." was changed to:

So, this password would have one effect of an Invitation: automatically approving the person's membership. It couldn't, or shouldn't (I think) have the other effect of accepting an invitation: to confirm the person's email address.

I think in the Join group flow for a restricted group, after the user clicks the Apply For Membership In This Group" button, if the group has set up such an "invitation code", there could be a place for the user to enter the code, or click on something to allow them to enter the code. If entered and correct, then the flow becomes, for them, like an unrestricted group:

Case 1, if they're signed in, they can be taken to the "Congratulations" page.

Case 2, if they're not signed in, they would still need to enter their email address and click "Confirm Email Address". But after that it could go to a confirmation page that reads as for an unrestricted group.


[Beta] New card "Group option to disallow No Mail subscriptions." was added to list "Features".


[Beta] The lime label "Features" was added to the card "Group option to disallow No Mail subscriptions.".


locked Updates to Trello

Beta Integration <beta@...>
 

[Beta] New card "When sending invites, have option to specify that replies to invites are forwarded to the moderator." was added to list "Invitations".


[Beta] The pink label "Invitations" was added to the card "When sending invites, have option to specify that replies to invites are forwarded to the moderator.".


[Beta] The description of card "When sending invites, have option to specify that replies to invites are forwarded to the moderator." was changed to:

There could be an option on the Invite page for whether replies should be directed to the moderator, the + owner address, or neither. Or that could be made a separate checkbox in each moderator's Subscription (to receive Invite replies).


locked Re: URGENT - need an answer fast

 

I agree. Links aren't loading. "Error loading content" messages all over the place. Site loading erratically. Get out now, while you still can!!!

J


locked Re: Join group flow

 

By the way, the system did not take me back to the "apply for membership" page I was on. It just logged me in and took me to my list of groups.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:44 PM, J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

[Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: changed to "rather than giving me a set or reset password link and requiring me to enter it."]

p.s. One thing that doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy about the whole login/join process, and has given me the willies from square one, is this propensity of the system to log me in on my behalf - rather than giving me a set or reset password link and requiring me to enter it. This happens from the "one-shot" login (sans password) from the invite and/or join, and now this. I'm like, What? I'm logged in? I didn't even enter a password. (And then I can't log in the next time, which is also strange.) I would love to see this go away entirely. Perhaps there's a way it can be phased out. It just gives me a creepy feeling.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:41 PM, J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Well, I'm going to complain some more.;) I would prefer a "reset password" or "forgot your password?" link. Instead, the "link to login" ACTUALLY LOGGED ME IN. I still have no idea what my password is, and the link did not give me an option to reset it. Instead I was taken directly to my Groups.io home page. I did not log in (myself), I did not pass go, only collected $200. LOL.

Any chance of changing this to the (expected) "forgot password" link and a link to reset, instead of a direct login sans password?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
The error message is great, but now what? Can the system advise logging in in this case? And I assume attempting to log in will give me a "forgot password" or "email me a link to reset my password" link if I've forgotten it? (Which I have in this case.)

I've added a link in that error message to the log in page. Once you log in, either via email address/password, emailed log in link, Facebook or Google, you get redirected to the join page.

Mark





locked Re: Join group flow

 
Edited

p.s. One thing that doesn't give me a warm and fuzzy about the whole login/join process, and has given me the willies from square one, is this propensity of the system to log me in on my behalf - rather than giving me a set or reset password link and requiring me to enter it. This happens from the "one-shot" login (sans password) from the invite and/or join, and now this. I'm like, What? I'm logged in? I didn't even enter a password. (And then I can't log in the next time, which is also strange.) I would love to see this go away entirely. Perhaps there's a way it can be phased out. It just gives me a creepy feeling.

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 1:41 PM, J_Olivia Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Well, I'm going to complain some more.;) I would prefer a "reset password" or "forgot your password?" link. Instead, the "link to login" ACTUALLY LOGGED ME IN. I still have no idea what my password is, and the link did not give me an option to reset it. Instead I was taken directly to my Groups.io home page. I did not log in (myself), I did not pass go, only collected $200. LOL.

Any chance of changing this to the (expected) "forgot password" link and a link to reset, instead of a direct login sans password?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
The error message is great, but now what? Can the system advise logging in in this case? And I assume attempting to log in will give me a "forgot password" or "email me a link to reset my password" link if I've forgotten it? (Which I have in this case.)

I've added a link in that error message to the log in page. Once you log in, either via email address/password, emailed log in link, Facebook or Google, you get redirected to the join page.

Mark




locked Re: Join group flow

 

Well, I'm going to complain some more.;) I would prefer a "reset password" or "forgot your password?" link. Instead, the "link to login" ACTUALLY LOGGED ME IN. I still have no idea what my password is, and the link did not give me an option to reset it. Instead I was taken directly to my Groups.io home page. I did not log in (myself), I did not pass go, only collected $200. LOL.

Any chance of changing this to the (expected) "forgot password" link and a link to reset, instead of a direct login sans password?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:54 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
The error message is great, but now what? Can the system advise logging in in this case? And I assume attempting to log in will give me a "forgot password" or "email me a link to reset my password" link if I've forgotten it? (Which I have in this case.)

I've added a link in that error message to the log in page. Once you log in, either via email address/password, emailed log in link, Facebook or Google, you get redirected to the join page.

Mark



locked Re: text re "join group," "apply for membership in this group," "subscribe to this group" - redux

Ber <bxm@...>
 

So, this password […] shouldn't […] confirm the person's email address.

Yes. Very well put. Users should still be required to confirm their own email address.

Yes, basically, it would be a hybrid or mixed-mode group – I don't know how to call it, maybe "restricted self-enrolment" because only the correct invitation code (automagically) allows/accepts the member into the group. No invite-code => no joining.

Therefore, maybe, to simplify the process, the "Apply for membership" click/step/page should not be needed/presented, only offering the next step as a landing page, i.e.:

*/g/GROUPNAME/enrol

where the new user would have to enter email address and the invite-code. #

 If entered and correct, then the flow becomes, for them, like an unrestricted group

Been there, done that. Each school year at registration for my PTA group.
Yes, enrolment in a course/class would be the nearest analogy I could think of for my use case. If it only were as simple as that!


use Direct Add.
Thanks, I am aware of that feature, but unfortunately it's not an option for the problem(s) the presented idea should solve, with following goals/guidelines for the administration of the group in mind:

  1. Reduce administrative effort
  2. Minimize risk of errors in subscription process (which result in excluded/uninformed/unhappy members)
  3. Don't pamper members, "empower" them with self-management
  4. Make it fast, easy to access and interact with — keep it small and simple

Cannot think of the fifth point right now, might not have had any to start with.

ber-


locked Re: Join group flow

 

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:49 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
The error message is great, but now what? Can the system advise logging in in this case? And I assume attempting to log in will give me a "forgot password" or "email me a link to reset my password" link if I've forgotten it? (Which I have in this case.)

I've added a link in that error message to the log in page. Once you log in, either via email address/password, emailed log in link, Facebook or Google, you get redirected to the join page.

Mark


locked Re: Join group flow

Ber <bxm@...>
 


/GIO: "Your Account Has Been Confirmed! Here are your next steps."
(https://groups.io/confirm?email=)

USER thinks: Yeah… confirmed… that was easy. I'm in, right? Now where is the group?

To improve the /GIO at confirmation of email address, I'd suggest something along the line:

/GIO: "Next step: Waiting for approval of your membership"
'Your email address is confirmed, but your membership in GROUPNAME still needs to be approved by a moderator.

Please check your email inbox for "Your pending membership..." from @GIO to see, if you need to answer an additional question!

What you can already do in the meantime:'
[The existing three blocks, mentioned above]


The wording needs some polishing, of course, but this should make it clearer, hopefully less confusing? Somehow, it still think there are of at least one too many steps/pages/clicks in the join flow.

ber-



locked Re: Join group flow

 

The error message is great, but now what? Can the system advise logging in in this case? And I assume attempting to log in will give me a "forgot password" or "email me a link to reset my password" link if I've forgotten it? (Which I have in this case.)

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:34 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:09 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
I like the looks of it. However, I tried to join a restricted group from being unlogged in. I found the group, entered a valid email address, and clicked on "confirm email address." The box came back empty and circled in red, with no message or explanation, and I got no confirmation email at the address. I tried it twice.   ????

Ah, good catch. It should have displayed an error message. I've fixed it.

Thanks,
Mark 



locked Re: URGENT - need an answer fast

 

Thanks for this heads up. The last thing on my ToDo list is transferring my links, which I've been putting off. I'll do that ASAP. (...silently begs Mark for link transfer mechanism....;)

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2016, at 12:37 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@att.net> wrote:

Hey all,

Can someone give me the right link or e-mail address for people to come check out how to move their group? Y is breaking worse every minute, and I need to tell them how.

Thanks,

Brenda




locked Re: URGENT - need an answer fast

 

Hi Brenda,

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:37 PM, Feathered Leader <featheredleader@...> wrote:

Can someone give me the right link or e-mail address for people to come check out how to move their group? Y is breaking worse every minute, and I need to tell them how.



Mark