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locked Confusion about signing in and out...

Nightowl >8#
 

Mark,

I accidentally closed my browser window without signing out of groups.io. I reopened it, and was about to sign back in to sign out, but John says I can't. He says it is a different session and that the one I closed accidentally will stay signed in for 30 days.

That makes me nervous, can you explain what it means, and if there is a way to NOT be signed in for 30 days?

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: HTML digests

Frances
 

Much better! The Back to Topics link doesn't work on my iPhone. The other links in the footer do. Frances


locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

 

Vickie,

Going back to this if you think about it.. what is the point of pending
messages if the moderated member can send a message directly to members
because he does have a way to collect members emails.
The point of pending messages is to control what gets posted to the group. You can never control what gets posted off-list.

You can prevent a member (moderated or not) from collecting other members' email addresses from the site by setting the group's Members Visible option to "Moderators and Owners" or "Owners Only". That leaves only receiving individual emails as the only means to collect email addresses.

and can send a message to the group via setting a calendar reminder.
You can restrict calendar access to only Moderators as well, but I'll agree that it would be better to have moderation controls on calender entries (and wiki edits, and other member contributions) that parallel message moderation. Or at the very least, moderator Notifications for member contributions.

My members are not protected so I would ask what is the point of a private group..
There is no such thing as a "private group". What I mean that there is no such option in groups settings.

There does exist a "private archives" setting, and the point of that would be to prevent non-members from reading the archives and to keep the group's messages out of web searches.

Making its archives private protects just the archives. To more comprehensively protect your group you should also make the group membership Restricted. That's a checkbox just a little further down from the Privacy option on the group's Settings page.

-- Shal


locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

 

Vickie,

That sounds good but I still need one first intro message to the group..
Once that message is pending I can better judge his approval into the group.
This can already be done by having the Pending member make that post to the +owner email address (assuming some moderator(s) accept messages from non-members).

Otherwise this might be a feature request: have a setting that allows pending members to post, with the proviso that their messages are always held pending. Maybe also the restriction of only one message from a pending member?


-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

 

Duane,

Sounds like you (and maybe others) need a new member status: Restricted.
I think it would be easiest for Mark if it was all or nothing as far as
restrictions. Maybe this could be linked to the RSVP type function
if/when that's done. Basically, no access to any group function until
approved by the owner/moderator.
As I ask of Vickie, how does this differ from Restricted membership as already implemented?


-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

 

Vickie,

(I prefer the member not see anything until the member is released
from moderation)
Moderated member should not be able to use any options in the group.
Sounds to me that you're speaking of a Pending membership - one that hasn't been allowed into the group yet. Pending members cannot see anything, cannot post anything.

My members trust me and would click on it because they will assume the
moderated membership was approved!
Ah, here's the crux of the confusion: "moderation" as applied to membership is called having a Restricted group, where applicants are held in Pending status until you approve them to be members.

Don't release an applicant from Pending status until they've proven themselves worthy of having access to what members can access.

If that's not what you're talking about, then I'm completely baffled by your request.

Or, to put this the other way around, what's the difference between the restrictions you're asking be placed on "moderated members" versus those already in place for pending members?


-- Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Sounds like you (and maybe others) need a new member status: Restricted


Duane

Going back to  this if you think about  it.. what is the point of  pending messages if the moderated member

can send a message  directly to members because he  does have a way to  collect members  emails

and can send a message to the group via  setting a calendar reminder 

My members are not protected so I would ask  what is the point of a private group.. 


Vickie



locked Site Updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site the last two days:

  • CHANGE: Changed font sizes, colors in HTML digests.
  • BUGFIX: Plain text messages that had a last line that started with 'At ' or another word that matched a line indicating a reply, would not be displayed properly.
  • CHANGE: Don't display 'Last Post' in profile view, because it's confusing (it was referring to the last post in the group, not the person's last post to the group).
  • BUGFIX: Fixed a bug that could cause gaps in message numbers (if the References: header line contained a single id, which was the message's own message-id).
  • CHANGE: Moved Poll out of the group sidebar and into a tab in the Post page.
  • NEW: Save the custom message in the direct add screen.
  • BUGFIX: When confirming your account on the website, we would log out you and then log you in, which confuses IE 11. Removed extra Logout call.
  • NEW: We now save custom invite messages for reuse. And we save the custom message with the invite notice in the activity log.
  • BUGFIX: Downloading photos with spaces didn't work with Firefox (spaces were %20). Fixed, but the solution looks almost exactly like 'View Original', so removed that.
  • NEW: Remember the message number of deleted messages in the activity log.
  • NEW: If you visit a group home page and are not logged in, under the Join This Group button there is a now a sentence saying: If you are already a member of GROUPNAME, Log In to access the group.
  • NEW: Launched HTML/Full Featured digests.

Have a great weekend, everybody!

Mark


locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Duane,
That's perfectly fine.. Thank you
 

Vickie

 









From: Duane <txpigeon@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 5:54 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Mark a list of request and issues

Sorry about that.  I was thinking about the RSVP for Calendar events, https://trello.com/c/TyUGNBXm/47-event-rsvps, though some parts of it might apply here.

Duane








locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

Duane
 

Sorry about that. I was thinking about the RSVP for Calendar events, https://trello.com/c/TyUGNBXm/47-event-rsvps, though some parts of it might apply here.

Duane


locked Re: HTML digests

Linda
 

Hi Mark,
 
I received my first HTML digest and found that it created a scroll bar across the bottom  because the side margins were large and the text didn’t adapt itself to the size of the reading window (Windows Live Mail on Windows 10).
 
I’m switching back to Plain Text, my usual preference, to avoid various colors of type.
 
Linda
 
 


locked Re: reports of text wrapping from member using aol

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

Plain   text size , width is available  to control with your Aol account even if aol server is in control of sending messages.

Vickie

 








From: J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [beta] reports of text wrapping from member using aol

Ok, these look like instructions for sending plain-text email through AOL. I think that the plain text emails from AOL are the problem, according to Mark. Or plain text emails from Yahoo are the problem? I'm not clear on this.

J

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:12 AM, vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00@...> wrote:
I found something  about AOl mail users.  Not sure how much this will help..


 

Vickie

 









From: J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: reports of text wrapping from member using aol

I think Mark and/or Shal mentioned that they were looking into this. Hopefully, someone will locate something about the option.
J






--
Janet-Olivia
"I never feel sorry about what happened yesterday nor do I worry about what might happen tomorrow." The Contented Little Pussycat  (Frances Ruth Keller)




locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 That sounds good but I still need one first intro message to the group..
Once that message is pending I can better  judge his approval into the group. 

 RSVP type function  As in control protocol?





Vickie

 








From: Duane <txpigeon@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 3:46 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: Mark a list of request and issues

Sounds like you (and maybe others) need a new member status: Restricted.  I think it would be easiest for Mark if it was all or nothing as far as restrictions.  Maybe this could be linked to the RSVP type function if/when that's done.  Basically, no access to any group function until approved by the owner/moderator.

Duane








locked Re: Mark a list of request and issues

Duane
 

Sounds like you (and maybe others) need a new member status: Restricted. I think it would be easiest for Mark if it was all or nothing as far as restrictions. Maybe this could be linked to the RSVP type function if/when that's done. Basically, no access to any group function until approved by the owner/moderator.

Duane


locked Mark a list of request and issues

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

 Mark,
Please take into consideration  the information below is  about  a "private group" 

(vickie2u is my test email in my own group and vickieu2 is still moderated)  
 vickie2u member is moderated and when you are moderated 

Moderated member can see group messages, pictures 
( I prefer the member not see anything until  the member is released from moderation) 


 Member can click on other members ID names and view  their profiles
( I prefer the member not view  unmoderated members profiles  until  the member is released from moderation
in the event some of our members  information  can be copied by a spammer ) 
I need to insure I am not  approving a spammer into the group first.
My members count on me to keep the group safe.


Member can  click on  post messages option and window does open to post
Moderated member should not have that option.

Moderated members should not be able to click on  messages already posted to the forum
or read messages meant  for unmoderated members.
Spammers will never  adhere to my pending notice they must submit one first message to the group 
before they can  read or participate with the group  .   

Private is private and no one person should be able to read my members messages  before realeased from moderation
Perhaps  there is a way to keep them moderated ( cannot read messages) has to submit first message to the group
and then moderator can release him to full member  status.

Moderated member can  click on calendar , Month, day week and you can see each ( should not be able to view calendar )
Moderated member can click on calendar to add a reminder..( this is a no,no )
Moderated member was able to create a reminder in calendar while moderated and it shows up in the message thread
( Dangerous because  a spammer can include a  spoofy link  my unmoderated members  may click on )
My members trust me and would click on it because they  will assume  the moderated  membership was approved!
 


Member can go back to delete the reminder set in calendar while moderated
 No options should be permitted until moderated member has been given permission to participate and use all  group tools given to them.
Moderated member should not  be able to use any options in the group.


Moderated member clicked on Photos and can see photos

Moderated member can  see and copy image while moderated. I need for this  to be blocked until member has full approval to  participate with the group and no members photos should be copied by any moderated  member in the event
the phot is copy right specified.

Created photo albums

Any member adding a photo to their album perhaps can also  have the option to
1- allow members to use or copy my photo
2- allow moderators only
3- allow no one to copy my photo



Moderated member  able to see photo album option  name it  and choose  either group access or   personal access  

Moderated  member created photo album while moderated
" Newbie " Moderated member  not yet approved to participate with the group  should never have this option.
Spammers are known to  submit  spoof photo trojans

Moderated member was able to click  on files can see files  but  only moderators in my group can create files
I don't want a newbie moderated member to click on files in the event I have pertinent information.

Moderated member clicked on databases and can see databases 

I have not used the database yet but what if I have information private to members only
I prefer a moderated newbies not view the database until members has been changed to unmoderated




I have not used any of the options below and  I don't know if a spammer  can cause damage to any of my unmoderated  members
I don't know if only and ID is needed to invite members to hang out.
To me this is an open port for a spammer to create havoc ...
Moderated  newbie member should not have the option to click use any of these options.

What is copy pasted  below is from a Moderated member vickie2u

Please continue reading



Member clicked on Hangout  and member can see hangout option while still  moderated

Google Hangouts
Google Hangouts lets you communicate with your group via free video calls.
The hangout will have a Groups.io panel on the right-hand side. From that panel, you can invite other members of your group to the hangout. There is a limit of 10 participants in each hangout.

Moderated member clicked on hangout and option window open to click permission to view webcam  while still on moderation
Moderated member clicked subscription and it opened to  Membership mail option



Moderated member while still in subscriptions clicked option Member integrations



Moderated member clicked on integration and it opened to 
Member integrations allow group content that you receive to be shared with other services. Have an idea for an integration that you don't see here? Contact us and let us know!

Dropbox Integration

Save attachments to your Dropbox account.
 Dropbox Integration

Google Drive Integration

Save attachments to your Google Drive account.
 Google Drive Integration
Moderated member   clicked on dropbox integration and it opened to
Save attachments to your Dropbox account.

Add Dropbox Integration


You must authenticate with Dropbox to continue.











Member Clicked  back, then clicked on google drive integration and it opened to
Save attachments to your Google Drive.

Add Google Drive Integration


You must authenticate with Google Drive to continue.

And drum roll please
Moderated member was able to  submit calendar reminder to the message thread  and receive the reminder in vickie2u inbox..  Moderated member is receiving each  message submitted to the group in their Gmail  inbox account and is now able to viewmembers emails.. ugh!In truth the group is not private. Not if a moderated newbie member is able to  collect members emails 
I prefer  a newbie moderated member not receive  group messages until  they are completely approved to the group.  I feel the approve method  should be set to pending until you are completely approved to participate with the group.That's not possible because I have learnedIf someone has chosen to join your group and if they try to submit a message  to the group  without being approvedthat member will receive a delivery failure.This should change and hopefully you can change the method on joining. I feel a potential member should stay moderated and  allow the moderated member upon joining to submit a message to the group first  and then the moderator can  either approve  or approve and unmoderate the sender before member is approvedto full options in the group.and only then can the member view the group and  group options.I would ask this please of   "Private groups"

Hashtags  and  Top poster   showing on  the group front pageCan you allow moderator to turn off hashtag information on the group front page same for Top Poster.  In my chat group my members like their privacy and  do not want to be labeled as the   top chatter box /big mouth  of the group.. lolnor do they want their ID names listed on the front page.. Some members  want to  avoid other  groups for what ever reason, even by a disgruntle member  and if their ID name  is visible on the front pagethey are  discovered by an enemy they may have.
Moderated member cannot delete the  calendar reminder from the thread / message thread  board.
That's it
Thank you and I pray you consider  the changes I  need for my chat group.
Vickie
Below is the calendar reminder  created by a moderated member.I feel there are back doors for spammers to attack my group.
"birthdays wishes" Event When: Friday, 29 January 2016 3:00am to 4:00am (GMT-05:00) America/New York Where: senior pals group member Description: Happy birthday if this  message can be added to the calendar reminder while I am still on moderation\n\nVickie
By( Group Name) Calendar · 1 Message

birthdays wishes" Reminder

When:Friday, 29 January 2016
3:00am to 4:00am
(GMT-05:00) America/New York
Where: GroupName group member 
Description:
Happy birthday if this  message can be added to the calendar reminder while I am still on moderation
Vickie


locked Re: HTML digests

 

Hi Frances,

Thanks for the feedback. I've gone back and made a bunch of changes. The colors match the website now: the text is black, the links are a darker color, there's no italics, the font size should now be the same. I've also changed the red links at the top and bottom of the email to match the other links.

There's still an issue with links in the messages themselves; they're a different color than other links. I'll need to work through that.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: HTML digests

Frances
 

Hi

Here is the plain text version. On my iPhone, it doesn’t seem to be responsive - the line between messages across the screen turn into a couple of shorter ones. On my computer, it displays just fine.

The font is clear and nicely black compared to the fully featured.

Cheers,

Frances



Cheers,

Frances


locked Re: HTML digests

Frances
 

Hi

Here are better views of the full featured digest. On my iPhone. 

Beginning and the bottom of the page.

As you see, the turquoise is a little hard to read (for me!) and the font is smaller than the text version.



On Jan 29 16, at 11:55 AM, Frances <travel@...> wrote:

Hi

Here’s the full featured.  I am using a Mac with the latest OS.

Frances


locked Re: reports of text wrapping from member using aol

 

Ok, these look like instructions for sending plain-text email through AOL. I think that the plain text emails from AOL are the problem, according to Mark. Or plain text emails from Yahoo are the problem? I'm not clear on this.

J

On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:12 AM, vickie via Groups.io <vickie_00@...> wrote:
I found something  about AOl mail users.  Not sure how much this will help..


 

Vickie

 









From: J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: reports of text wrapping from member using aol

I think Mark and/or Shal mentioned that they were looking into this. Hopefully, someone will locate something about the option.
J






--
Janet-Olivia
"I never feel sorry about what happened yesterday nor do I worry about what might happen tomorrow." The Contented Little Pussycat  (Frances Ruth Keller)


locked Re: reports of text wrapping from member using aol

vickie <vickie_00@...>
 

I found something  about AOl mail users.  Not sure how much this will help..


 

Vickie

 









From: J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...>
To: beta@groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 12:53 PM
Subject: [beta] Re: reports of text wrapping from member using aol

I think Mark and/or Shal mentioned that they were looking into this. Hopefully, someone will locate something about the option.
J