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moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Work to investigate which technologies to use for the app.
  • BUGFIX: Misc improvements to formatting of the mobile website.
  • NEW: (Re)launched the Zoom calendar integration.
  • BUGFIX: The left chevron icon in the photo view was not vertically aligned correctly.
  • BUGFIX: Paging backwards in the Emailed Photos photo viewer stopped working if you paged back at the first photo.
  • API: Fixed pagination bugs with /getevents endpoint.
  • CHANGE: Switchover to the new Help Center, with finalized Owners and Members manuals and FAQ.
  • CHANGE: Adjusted the size and alignment of the lines separating a group's footer from the rest of the message footer information.
  • BUGFIX: When creating a new plain text wiki page, the page would internally be marked as being HTML, so on future edits the HTML editor would be used.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Zoom integration now active #update

 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 5:42 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

In the manual section referenced, it says "When you are adding an event, on the Event page, click the Make This A Zoom Meeting button (it is located below the Repeats panel).", but I'm not seeing the button on any of my Basic groups.  You had mentioned earlier that it would be on all groups for now.

Please try it now.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Zoom integration now active #update

Ken Schweizer
 

Hi Mark,

 

Were you able to get them to correct their reported phishing problem?

 

Ken

 

"The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity." John Adams

 

From: main@beta.groups.io [mailto:main@beta.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 6:11 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Zoom integration now active #update

 

Hi All,

After a bunch of back and forth with Zoom, our Zoom integration is now active. You can now easily create a new Zoom meeting when you're setting up a Groups.io group calendar event. For more information, see the section in the member's manual here: https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-calendars/making-an-event-a-zoom-meeting

Please let me know if you see any issues with it.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Zoom integration now active #update

Duane
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 06:11 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know if you see any issues with it.
In the manual section referenced, it says "When you are adding an event, on the Event page, click the Make This A Zoom Meeting button (it is located below the Repeats panel).", but I'm not seeing the button on any of my Basic groups.  You had mentioned earlier that it would be on all groups for now.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Zoom integration now active #update

 

Mark,
I just got a post from the Zoom blog about all the apps that are offering free integrations with Zoom (etc.) during the pandemic. You might want to contact them to add groups.io to the list.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 4:11 PM Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

After a bunch of back and forth with Zoom, our Zoom integration is now active. You can now easily create a new Zoom meeting when you're setting up a Groups.io group calendar event. For more information, see the section in the member's manual here: https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-calendars/making-an-event-a-zoom-meeting

Please let me know if you see any issues with it.

Thanks, Mark


--
J

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My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Zoom integration now active #update

 

Hi All,

After a bunch of back and forth with Zoom, our Zoom integration is now active. You can now easily create a new Zoom meeting when you're setting up a Groups.io group calendar event. For more information, see the section in the member's manual here: https://groups.io/helpcenter/membersmanual/1/working-with-calendars/making-an-event-a-zoom-meeting

Please let me know if you see any issues with it.

Thanks, Mark


moderated Re: Make Sticky Topic show at top of Messages view #suggestion

Duane
 

On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 02:07 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
I actually t think this is a bug but will go with suggestion.
The Sticky function is really great as an eye catcher for important items but no matter what I try, I cannot force an important topic to remain at the top of the Messages view
I've wondered about this when I end up in Messages view sometimes, but never pursued it since I always end up back in Topic view.  Seems that it should be consistent so the sticky shows up no matter which view a member prefers.  If they always use Messages or Expanded, they could miss some important information and wonder why.

Duane


moderated Re: Make Sticky Topic show at top of Messages view #suggestion

 

I would be very strongly against that. I use Message view precisely in order to get past all the stickies in many cases.


On Apr 10, 2020, at 11:49 AM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:

I actually t think this is a bug but will go with suggestion.
The Sticky function is really great as an eye catcher for important items but no matter what I try, I cannot force an important topic to remain at the top of the Messages view by using any of the variations of setting it Sticky.
In most of our cases, the importance of the content is the same for our members whether they use the Topics or the Messages view.
Can't we have Sticky work for both views?
--

Bob Bellizzi


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Make Sticky Topic show at top of Messages view #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

I actually t think this is a bug but will go with suggestion.
The Sticky function is really great as an eye catcher for important items but no matter what I try, I cannot force an important topic to remain at the top of the Messages view by using any of the variations of setting it Sticky.
In most of our cases, the importance of the content is the same for our members whether they use the Topics or the Messages view.
Can't we have Sticky work for both views?
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: New Groups.io Help Center now online #misc

Bob Bellizzi
 

Would you please provide me with a couple of references to where you found "helpcenter" and/or "help-center" rather than "help center"?

I've tried to locate "helpcenter" as a word in several dictionaries and cannot find it.
I've also entered it into google search and each  I receive 8 or 10 google suggestions for "help center"
Alas, all references do not seem to show help center as one word on the internet except for the UPS in the UK.

The only use of "help-center" I've found is for some gym pass company who also varies their name between the former and "gym-pass" .
--

Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: New Groups.io Help Center now online #misc

ro-esp
 

I have a suggestion for the FAQ. Add: what are hashtags for, and do I have to use them?


Another suggestion is to please always spell it "help-center" or "helpcenter". I know dropping hyphens in favour of spaces is all the rage in americanese, but a greenhouse and a green house are very different things, and "help" is not an adjective.

groetjes/ĝis, Ronaldo


moderated New Groups.io Help Center now online #misc

West Coast Compañeros Staff
 

A new, centralized Groups.io Help Center is accessible online at https://groups.io/helpcenter. The Groups.io Members Manual (for all of us who use Groups.io's services) and the Groups.io Owners Manual (for owners and moderators of groups) are each available as a PDF download and as a single long, continuous web page. The Groups.io FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) is also available in both formats.

This new documentation has been professionally assembled and edited by technical writer Nina Eppes under the direction of, and with help from, Mark Fletcher, the proprietor of Groups.io. Members of the beta docs subgroup have also contributed helpful critiques and suggestions for improvement.

Robert R.



moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

John Wirtz SF
 

Not wishing to teach old dinosaurs new tricks, as an ex Technical Information Manager in the rail industry, it is absolutely vital to apply version control to the user manual to capture updates.

I suggest the following control measures:
1 - Put the version control box at the beginning of the document
2 - Make sure version ,date and author is included upon every modification

Designations for versions:
Original version (current version).  v1, v2, v3, etc  These are published documents made available to all users.

Draft Versions: v1.1, v1.2, 1.3 , etc.  These version could be held in the docs folder on the beta site for review and comment.
Once draft version is approved for publication this invokes an up-reving of the main users document. 

Keep an maintain Change Log  or alternatively, use a revision system like the one provided in M/S Word to track changes.  Please note, the change log does not detail the detail of the change but merely records the location of the change.  i.e. page no and paragraph.

I would be happy to assist with this process if necessary.

Regards

John 
 


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

Andy Wedge
 

On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 03:05 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
the big "Top Hashtags" buttons tend to dominate the layout. In turn, the current hashtag layout is difficult to tap/navigate on mobile devices.
Given that we currently have different layouts and default settings for mobile devices (the calendar display is an easy example) I don't think that should be a big hurdle to overcome.

If we had some stats on how many visits there had been to different areas of our groups (basically the options on the left side menu) then we may be able to see gauge the impact of a change. If nobody visits a group home page, for example, then whether the hashtag buttons are large, small or not displayed is somewhat mute.

Andy


moderated Re: Member Data Improvements request #suggestion

John Wirtz SF
 

In suggesting certain facilities to improve subscriber management, I wasn't prompting a debate on how group owners and moderators run their own groups.
Ultimately, as a group owner, I accept responsibility for the content of messages posted to my group.  This an important commitment as the owners of "Groups.io" cannot monitor every message posted and would be quickly and publicly taken to task if things got out of hand.   

The minimum requirements for joining our group are based on twenty years of experience and witnessing some appalling behaviour on other groups.  Our successive groups (egroups and then Yahoo) have been mostly free for unpleasantness and that is due to the fact that I can identify the subscriber, and call him/her to order when things go wrong.
I'd stress that this arrangement is reciprocal and anyone wishing to contact me can do so and that;s right down to a phone cal if the situation requires it.
I know plenty of forum.group owners who run a mile when things go wrong, no contact, unanswered emails, etc.  As we say here, that's not cricket.

The option I suggest are to assist member management and to be in a position to ave a limited degree of control over those siubscribers.

There absolutely no suggestion that "my rules" become "group.io" rules.

Let's keep this thread on topic, the technical aspects and perhaps the "groups.io" own company policies. 
On the the hand, if you feel strongly about my rules, you are welcome to contact me direct to open a discussion about my rationale.  My email address is john@...

Regards





John Wirtz

SFSS Group 


moderated Database Row - allow table editors to see/change database row owner #suggestion

jay@...
 

For database table editors, allow the easy viewing, as a column, the row owner. Also, allow the assigning of a row owner for any given row to a member.

This would help sites where members need to register/list items/credentials/capabilities/trainings, etc. A table editor can bootstrap the creation of a table row and then assign ownership to a new member for future updates.

Also, this feature would allow table editors (presumably moderators and above) to audit the ownership of rows and to know who has and who has not created rows.


moderated Re: Member Data Improvements request #suggestion

Bob Bellizzi
 

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 03:39 AM, John Wirtz SF wrote:
This paranoia has to be reined in, some questions are asked for purely practical reasons and not in the basis of discrimination.
I agree that some groups, like yours, may need more security to prevent bad actors from joining; that's what Restricted Groups are all about. 

  • Don't allow anyone to just subscribe and automatically become a member
  • Set up a join form with the questions you require answers for
  • Vet the form and check out key tokens, prior to allowing someone to be direct subscribed.
  • Only use direct subscribe.
That's exactly what we do for our group.  We use an online form and vet it.
But  if it's that important, you need a website for a front end and for forms, etc.
And you need a Premium group to direct subscribe.
In fact, I would suggest that your suggestion only be implemented on Premium and above groups if the fields are optional and can have text names defined by the owner.

Much of what I gather you want to do  seems to fit an online store front better than a group.
We have both to enhance the expeience.
 
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Bob Bellizzi


moderated Re: Member Data Improvements request #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 02:18 AM, John Wirtz SF wrote:
un-defined fields could cause problems as they would be likely contain incompatible data from group to group, i.e. numbers, text, etc.
Yes, in many cases that could be a problem, but if these were all text fields, it would be consistent.

Duane


moderated Re: Member Data Improvements request #suggestion

 

What you are requesting sounds a bit like mandatory “registration” - like firearms registration information, license registration information, etc.
There are many, many groups here which do not require anything more than an email address to subscribe. The purpose of a lot of groups is discussion and sharing, not reaching out to a customer base. 

If this kind of registration is important to you, then set up a database and require members to fill out the information you are requesting in the database within x number of days of joining and boot them out if they fail to comply. 

Members in the groups I am involved with would revolt if this sort of information were made mandatory. 


Patti


moderated Re: Member Data Improvements request #suggestion

John Pearce
 

Our group would not want any of this as mandatory.  Many members wish to remain anonymous for varying reasons.  Much of this is due to the public's mistrust of privacy concerns..  In this age of gender identification you might find it difficult to accommodate all of them.

John