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moderated Re: Moderated members option in Members' List dropdown menu #suggestion

 

Displaying the members list by posting status would solve your issue, is simple, has been requested several times in the past, and (at one point) I’m pretty sure was on the ToDo list.

On Apr 28, 2020, at 3:07 AM, Marina <@Biblit> wrote:

Of course different groups have different needs.
I wouldn't care for refined filtering.
In my group, with other 2500 members, posts are not moderated, nevertheless some members are moderated for different reasons and over time we have somehow lost track of their number.
Mine is a free group and I would be fine with a basic feature such as having a list of all moderated members in one place, regardless of their posting details. Maybe more complex options, which presumably would require more time and work from Mark, could be available for paid groups.

Have a nice day,
Marina



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J

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moderated Re: Moderated members option in Members' List dropdown menu #suggestion

Marina
 

Of course different groups have different needs.
I wouldn't care for refined filtering.
In my group, with other 2500 members, posts are not moderated, nevertheless some members are moderated for different reasons and over time we have somehow lost track of their number.
Mine is a free group and I would be fine with a basic feature such as having a list of all moderated members in one place, regardless of their posting details. Maybe more complex options, which presumably would require more time and work from Mark, could be available for paid groups.

Have a nice day,
Marina


moderated Re: Moderated members option in Members' List dropdown menu #suggestion

 

Marina,

It would be useful to have the option to view a list of all moderated
members, as you can do for instance with bouncing members or members
with different status.
It would be very useful. But I agree with J about the view drop-list not being a good user interface for the feature.

For this, I'd like to see a filter tool (aka advanced search function) much like the funnel icon at the top of the Topics / Messages lists. That opens a little panel that lets you filter for messages in various date ranges.

In the Members list the expanded panel could have checkboxes to filter for various Posting Privileges and other member characteristics.

I'd also like to be able to sort the list by additional criteria (which J said may be in the works). Sorting and filtering are related concepts, and in many cases two different means to the same end. And sometimes very powerful in combination.

Shal


moderated Re: Moderated members option in Members' List dropdown menu #suggestion

 

I think it makes more sense to wait for ability (which I think is planned at some point) to sort the members list by posting status. There are a lot of different posting statuses, and whether or not to display by "moderated" would not make much sense in an already moderated group (just for one example among many).

I think posting status is a different level of category from the current dropdown categories Pending, Bouncing, Past, Banned, and (current) Members. I personally would not care to see "Moderated" or any other posting statuses in the dropdown. I think it would weigh it down. I don't have strong feelings about this, but think about this: where would it end? Would we eventually have all the possible posting statuses in the dropdown?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Moderated members option in Members' List dropdown menu #suggestion

Marina
 

I see that in the dropdown menu in the Members' List page you can choose to view Moderators, Pending Approval, Bouncing, Banned, but not Moderated.
It would be useful to have the option to view a list of all moderated members, as you can do for instance with bouncing members or members with different status.

Have a nice week, stay safe
Marina


moderated Suggestion for File Update Window #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

It would be helpful if this window that recognizes carriage returns/line feeds on edit, forwarded that formatting to the emails.

Right now, I might have an edit window that shows:

-----------

Description of file and contents. More description. More context.

UPDATE: something something.
UPDATE: a new thing was needed and a change was made.

-----------

But what the email looks like is:
Description of file and contents. More description. More context. UPDATE: something something. UPDATE: a new thing was needed and a change was made.
which if I hadn't thought to put the UPDATE in would have completed elided the history.

As a stretch goal, it would be cool if the comments understood versions and for each upload, one only added new comments that would be then printed out with an incremented counter in front of them.

Thanks,

Glenn

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moderated Re: Messages contain CC:group even with ReplyTo=sender and "Remove other options" #bug

Jim Avera
 

The CC line is still there.  I just got spammed by a moderator who did "reply all" to someone else's post. 

This has become a significant problem in my group, which is "Announce Only" and "Reply To Sender" only, but has about a dozen Moderators (who have no privs, except that they can post).  

There's been email storms where one of them does "reply all" to a post, adding additionan CCs of others who also happen to be moderators, and they in turn "reply all"  to each other thinking they are having a private conversation just among themselves, but blast the entire list.

Help please!


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Duane
 

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 12:09 PM, Roland Roberts wrote:
What happens if a draft is edited? Does that reset the expiration?
Based on a quick test, no reset.

Duane


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Roland Roberts
 

What happens if a draft is edited? Does that reset the expiration? I would want it to, though I suppose I could get used to editing them as emails on my computer instead of the web site.

roland


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 10:28 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

Some GMF members have reported communications from orange.fr stipulating
a necessary concurrency limit of 3:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/30544

I had forgotten to mention Wanadoo.fr/Orange.fr. The postmaster page for them states that they have a concurrency limit of 2, which is what we're set at now. Email has been flowing to them for several days.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Mark,

* SYSADMIN: Reduced comcast.net karld concurrency from 10 to 5.
* SYSADMIN: Reduced comcast.net karld concurrency from 20 to 10.
* SYSADMIN: Reduced cox.net karld concurrency from 10 to 5.
Some GMF members have reported communications from orange.fr stipulating a necessary concurrency limit of 3:
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/message/30544

Shal


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

This is a different #changelog from normal. Most everything outlined below represents internal changes to the site. This likely won't make sense to most people, but I'm writing this all down so that I can remember it in the future. The one new thing that will affect people are the new FBL subscriptions, outlined below.

I switched main database machines late last week because of a (minor) corruption issue. The new main database machine was running on the same type of hardware as the old machine, and I had tested it for several weeks beforehand. However, starting at the beginning of this week (we're busiest on Mondays), it was clear that for some reason the new database machine was not up to handling the load of the site. The site was crashing regularly, and I was getting paged in the middle of the night. It took me a few days to rule out other issues and come to the conclusion that it was a kernel issue. The new database machine was running an older Linux kernel, which normally shouldn't affect performance, but I believe in this case was. As part of my debugging process, I optimized many database access patterns, which will be great going forward. I have changed the Linux kernel on all database machines, and, combined with the other optimizations I did, I believe that the performance issues have been addressed. Hopefully.

At the same time, email to Comcast, Cox and GoDaddy was being delayed. I was finally able to establish contact with both Comcast and Cox and got the throttling lifted. As part of that, Comcast asked that I subscribe to their FBL (Feed Back Loop) service. An FBL is how we get notified when someone marks an email of ours as spam. So we are now receiving spam reports from several more email providers, including Comcast, Cox, Fastmail, Mail.ru, and others. The other recommendation that Comcast had was that we reuse SMTP connections when sending email to them, something we were not doing. So I spent the time to implement that. As of now, email to Comcast and Cox is flowing again. Email to GoDaddy/Secureserver is still being throttled and I have not had any luck contacting them as of yet.

Notes: karld refers to our email sending server, named after Karl 'The Mailman' Malone. forcesummaries is the program that generates summary emails. grafana is the package we use to generate internal monitoring graphs.

4/24/20:

  • CHANGE: We now automatically delete drafts that are older than two weeks.
  • INTERNAL: We now reuse SMTP connections when sending email to major providers, instead of opening a new connection for each email.
  • INTERNAL: On advice from Comcast, subscribed to the Comcast FBL, along with several other FBLs.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded the kernel in the main database machine to a more recent version.

4/23/20:

  • INTERNAL: Added grafana annotations to all cronjobs.
  • SYSADMIN: Reduced comcast.net karld concurrency from 10 to 5.
  • INTERNAL: Improved our email monitoring dashboards to better track when providers are not accepting email from us.

4/22/20:

  • INTERNAL: Optimized forcesummaries some more (and again fixed its use of replicas).
  • INTERNAL: Use db replicas for wiki queries.
  • INTERNAL: Use db replicas for some auth queries.
  • SYSADMIN: Upgraded the kernel in db replica machines to a more recent version.
  • SYSADMIN: Changed when we run the stats process on db05.
  • SYSADMIN: Added pg_stats_activity counts for db04/db05.
  • SYSADMIN: Reduced comcast.net karld concurrency from 20 to 10.
  • SYSADMIN: Reduced cox.net karld concurrency from 10 to 5.

4/21/20:

  • INTERNAL: Optimized the replacement of email addresses in messages with links to user profiles.
  • INTERNAL: Fixed some database indices.

4/20/20:

  • SYSADMIN: Adjusted main database parameters to deal with the current load.
  • SYSADMIN: Moved pgbouncer off main database machine to its own dedicated instance.
  • INTERNAL: Changed the forcesummaries process to use database replicas.
  • INTERNAL: Added additional stats graphing to the internal monitoring dashboard.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Duane
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 09:37 AM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
I also use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me.  But these drafts are in my Apple Mail program, independent of Groups.io.
This purge/deletion, if implemented, would have nothing to do with anything stored on your computer, only on the site.

Duane


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

txercoupemuseum.org
 

I am confused by the terminology (or lack thereof) being used here.

I also use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me.  But these drafts are in my Apple Mail program, independent of Groups.io.

Am I misinformed?

WRB

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On Apr 23, 2020, at 2:53 AM, Tony Moody <aim@...> wrote:

Hallo Mark,

I use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me .

Can you please suggest where else I could store draft emails, text formatting experiments,  email boilerplate, etc?

Thanks,
Tony

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moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Marv Waschke
 

I would be glad to see drafts automatically purged. My drafts older than a day or so are just clutter to remember to delete. For what it's worth, I keep snips of text that I want to reuse in group messages organized in a OneNote notebook. There are many different ways you can devise to manage text that you reuse other than groups.io drafts.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 03:53 AM, Tony Moody wrote:

I use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me .

Can you please suggest where else I could store draft emails, text formatting experiments,  email boilerplate, etc?

Tony -- You can store them as a Member Notices of type "Note to Member." Unfortunately, at this time there is no convenient way to subsequently send that member notice to the entire group. You'll have to open two browser tabs and copy/paste from one to the other.

In this context I'd like to have a pull-down menu in the New Topic dialog that would allow me to select a Note to Member and send it to everyone as a regular post. Available to Mods only, of course.

Bruce


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Duane
 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 04:15 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I checked and we have close to 600k drafts in the database
I try to remember to check about once a month to see whether I have any drafts on my groups.  They're always inadvertent when I do find one.  For those, like Tony, that intentionally use them, an indication on the Your Groups page, https://groups.io/groups, might make folks more aware of them and reduce the numbers.  Maybe a blue, boxed D in the Delivery column or next to the group name?  I suspect there are some folks that don't even know they exist, especially those that use email most of the time.  I would have no problem with the 2 week timeout though.

Duane


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Tony Moody
 

Hallo Mark,

I use Drafts to keep some draft texts which are important to me .

Can you please suggest where else I could store draft emails, text formatting experiments,  email boilerplate, etc?

Thanks,
Tony


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thanks for the heads up. I was actually hoping this could be implemented soon.

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On 22 Apr 2020, at 14:11, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Hi All,

Currently, we do not automatically delete old drafts. I propose changing this to be in-line with our other deletion policies (ie unclaimed pending subs/messages), where we would delete drafts older than 2 weeks. 

I checked and we have close to 600k drafts in the database, with the oldest dating back to March 10, 2016, which I'm guessing is the day I introduced the feature.

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Drafts policy change #update

 

Hi,

Not on my groups, although I imagine someone may say they might be writing a message for distribution in the future and prefer to leave it as a draft.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mark Fletcher
Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2020 2:23 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Drafts policy change #update

 

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 2:17 PM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

 

Can this be configurable on per-group or subgroup basis?

 

 

No it would not be. Is there any reason you'd want to keep a draft for more than 2 weeks?

 

Thanks,

Mark