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moderated Re: Hashtag OFF switch(es) #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:44 AM, Victoria wrote:
What really bothers me about the unwanted hashtags, is the fact that they show up and establish themselves on the start page with each calender event.
Ah... what you are concerned about are System Hashtags, or at least a sub - set of them.

Not quite the same as "hashtags" in general.

Chris
moderated Re: Hashtag OFF switch(es) #suggestion

Victoria
 

Chris, you worte:

 

Indeed so, and for perfectly proper reasons, but it doesn't force any other group to use the things. IMHO it is perfectly straightforward to prevent the use of hashtags now without asking Mark to provide a kill switch.

What really bothers me about the unwanted hashtags, is the fact that they show up and establish themselves on the start page with each calender event. I have asked about this in GMF, but there was no solution suggested.

 

Victoria
moderated Re: Hashtag OFF switch(es) #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 08:32 AM, Thomas Gruber wrote:
Everyone - for example in this group
Indeed so, and for perfectly proper reasons, but it doesn't force any other group to use the things. IMHO it is perfectly straightforward to prevent the use of hashtags now without asking Mark to provide a kill switch.

Chris
moderated Re: Hashtag OFF switch(es) #suggestion

Thomas Gruber
 

Everyone - for example in this group . See „new group Charter“.

But there are good reasons for this. I think this setting should remain a decision of the group owner.

Thomas
moderated Re: Hashtag OFF switch(es) #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 03:52 AM, Michael Pavan wrote:
Anyone who wants to use Hashtags should, but why force others?
Who, exactly, is "forced" to use hashtags?

Chris
moderated Hashtag OFF switch(es) #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

Simple switch(es) to turn off all Hashtags in our group(s).
Groups.io worked without Hashtags.

This should be an Opt-In 'feature',
or at least have an Opt-Out option(s) that don't require Workarounds and continuing extra work (Moderation).

Anyone who wants to use Hashtags should, but why force others?


My groups use: Messages/Topics archive, Calendar, Photos, and Files.
We do not use: Hashtags, Polls, Chats, Databases, Wiki, Subgroups, or Integrations (RSS).

Our only 'use' for Hashtags is in Calendar in order to Moderate and remove them,
ALONG with unwanted prefixes e.g. "Upcoming Event: " and repetitive Date and Time elements
(which should also be able to be turned off)

We don't send out a Guidelines yet, but would also Moderate the Hashtags off.
I would move them from Message footers, but Guidelines functions similarly to Calendar.
moderated Site updates #changelog

Mark Fletcher
 

Changes to the site this week:

  • INTERNAL: Work on a new help center.
  • BUGFIX: If an event had '<<' in the name, the group event notice would not be generated correctly.
  • BUGFIX: Export user wasn't generating ICS files correctly.
  • API: Added email_address field to group object.
  • BUGFIX: There was a bug with event RSVPs which could prevent some people from RSVPing to an event.
  • BUGFIX: Removed duplicate Member Sync buttons from various settings pages. This had been renamed to Service Sync and placed elsewhere.
  • API: Fixed sort for /getmembernotices endpoint.
  • CHANGE: Separate the settings in the Default Sub Settings page into two panels for greater clarity.
  • CHANGE: For moderator only hashtags, including Special hashtags, we now allow their use if they've been added to an approved pending message sent from a non-moderator. This means they were added by the approving moderator before the message was approved.

Have a good weekend everyone.

Mark
moderated Re: Reinstate past members #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:30 PM, Janis wrote:
I would like to see this option in both premium and basic groups for members who got accidentally removed by the marking messages as spam monitor.
This is a different situation.  Premium groups can already Direct Add members, while Basic groups can't.  This would be a modification/continuation of that feature on paid groups.

Removed for spam has to be handled by the person that's removed, whether it's an accident on their part or their email provider's error.

Duane
moderated Re: Reinstate past members #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 05:30 PM, Janis wrote:
...who got accidentally removed by the marking messages as spam monitor.
I doubt if this one will fly; there is no immediate means of knowing where and by whom the message was marked as spam. I have a suspicion that implementing your suggestion would cause more problems in the long run than it does now.

Chris
moderated Re: Reinstate past members #suggestion

Janis
 

I would like to see this option in both premium and basic groups for members who got accidentally removed by the marking messages as spam monitor.
moderated Markdown paragraph interrupted by list doesn't render as list #bug

Christopher Warrington
 

The Markdown message editor says that it's using GitHub flavored Markdown.
(Current version at [1].) I'm not sure if it's using an older version, has
some missing features, or has a bug here.

The following GFM paragraph [2] [3] should be a paragraph followed by a
list.

Foo
- bar
- baz

When I put that into the message editor and click preview, I get a message
that has all three lines run together with the dashes in the middle. Sort
of like this:

Foo - bar - baz

I've not explicitly tested the Wiki editor.

[1]: https://github.github.com/gfm/
[2]: https://github.github.com/gfm/#list-items
[3]: https://github.github.com/gfm/#example-283

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Christopher W. <lists@...>
moderated Markdown lines that end with a \ are not hard wrapped #bug

Christopher Warrington
 

The Markdown message editor says that it's using GitHub flavored Markdown.
(Current version at [1].) I'm not sure if it's using an older version, has
some missing features, or has a bug here.

The following Markdown paragraph should be rendered across at least three
lines, as I'm using a backslash to indicate a hard line break [2].

This is the first line.\
And here is the second.\
Now the third.

When I put that into the message editor and click preview, I get a message
that has all three lines run together with the slashes in the middle. Sort
of like this:

This is the first line.\ And here is the second.\ Now the third.

The two spaces variant of a hard line break renders across three lines as I
expected.

I've not explicitly tested the Wiki editor.

[1]: https://github.github.com/gfm/
[2]: https://github.github.com/gfm/#hard-line-break

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Christopher W. <lists@...>
moderated Re: Reinstate past members #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 09:03 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
effectively Direct Adding that account back to the group.
And if it could also add a past member back into their previous subgroups too, even better.

Andy
moderated Re: Member list search errors and inconsistencies #bug

Mark Fletcher
 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:10 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 04:44 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
It appears that repeating characters are getting collapsed/ignored. Search on harrrrrr and you'll get the same results.
OK. That sort covers one aspect and I can see that searching for harrrrr gives me the same results as harr. Collapsing/ignoring repeated characters may explain why when searching for harr I get the name Richard in the results.  It does not explain the results when I search for jone which has no repeating characters.  In this case, I see numerous members with the surname Jones but also several that do not contain those consecutive letters in either name nor email address.

Until I come up with a better solution, you can surround your query with quotes and that will provide an exact match only (ie. "jone").

Thanks,
Mark 
moderated Reinstate past members #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

It would be handy if the Past members display that currently exists for Premium groups had a "reinstate" function of some kind...effectively Direct Adding that account back to the group.

Thanks for your consideration.

Bruce
moderated Re: Messages with a hashtag using the Special attribute not sent as Special #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 04:59 PM, Bob Bellizzi wrote:
you don't seem to trust your committee enough to make them essentially powerless moderators  and yet you want to give them a special power to essentially issue broadcast messages.
The trouble with jumping to conclusions is that you can get it wrong.  They have delegated responsibility. Just because an option works for you does not always make it suitable for others.

powerless moderators
A moderator has additional privileges so by definition they are not powerless.

We are happy with the change Mark has made so far but if it gets rolled back then we should be able to work around that with the second option mentioned by Chris. I will test it myself beforehand though.

Enough said on this I think.

Andy
 
moderated Re: Messages with a hashtag using the Special attribute not sent as Special #bug

Bob Bellizzi
 

I find it curious that you don't seem to trust your committee enough to make them essentially powerless moderators  and yet you want to give them a special power to essentially issue broadcast messages.
I think option 1 would work fine for you.
We have several people, classed as Mentors, who have option 1  privilege.
They are part of our second level in our nonprofit and have never violated their privileges in several years.
Either you trust people or you don't.


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Bob Bellizzi
moderated Re: Add Save Draft Button to Messages and New Topic #suggestion

Bob Morley
 

I also am not in favor of another button, but I would be happy enough if there were a "Draft saved" message flyover as is done in gmail.com when composing/editing messages or replies.

I would also suggest that drafts be saved when editing a message. I have confirmed (the hard way) that drafts are not saved during an edit message session.

I did submit this latter idea as a suggestion here on beta, but it has never shown up. I recently changed my account for this group and I am still on NMM, but my messages seem to just be disappearing into the ether, so maybe another suggestion would be to add a "reason" response if a message is being rejected.

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Gerald


On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 09:45 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 10:50 AM, Jeremy H wrote:
Hope this makes sense to people
Sorry, but not to me it doesn't; it just looks like a whole load of complexity for complexity's sake.

Much like Bill H mentioned in his earlier post The only way I learned about it was by accident. Having learned about it, Drafts are now something I can handle as and when required without a load of prompts, buttons and so on... rather like the 10001 (and counting) other things I do on a daily basis on non - IT subjects. For example I find that I can leave the house and lock up without prompts, and get into the car and set off "ditto".

Chris
moderated Re: Messages with a hashtag using the Special attribute not sent as Special #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 09:54 AM, Chris Jones wrote:
Option 1 is to make those individuals you want to be able to do the above Moderators, but without any of the "member management" permissions. That would enable them to use the moderator - only hashtags and send special notices when appropriate.
The downside of making other members Moderators is that they also get control over certain group features such as the Calendar and Databases etc. Not something we would want in our case.

Option 2 is to have two announcement tags; #Owner_Announcement which would remain as Use by Mods Only, and #Announcement which would be available to ordinary members. #Announcement would be configured as (a) Messages with this tag will be sent as special notices, and (b) Messages with this hashtag will be moderated.
An interesting alternative and one that could work for us. The #Announcement hashtag settings would also need the Use by Mods Only option unchecked in this case.

any message so tagged needing to be checked by a genuine moderator who could ensure that the feature was not being in any way misused before releasing it.
Agreed. Although I suspect it's easier to mistakenly approve a message with an unwanted hashtag that it is to go through the steps to add one in. Especially when working on a mobile device where small buttons and fat fingers come into play.

Regards,
Andy
moderated Re: Messages with a hashtag using the Special attribute not sent as Special #bug

Chris Jones
 

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 06:30 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:
That's a big help for us as my co-owner and I want certain messages written by others on our club Committee to go as special messages.
Having spent some time thinking about this I am fairly certain that what you want can easily be achieved without Mark changing anything, depending perhaps on exactly how many "non-moderators" you want to be able to post #Announcements sent as Special Notices. There are (on the face of it) 2 possible approaches. 

Option 1 is to make those individuals you want to be able to do the above Moderators, but without any of the "member management" permissions. That would enable them to use the moderator - only hashtags and send special notices when appropriate.

Option 2 is to have two announcement tags; #Owner_Announcement which would remain as Use by Mods Only, and #Announcement which would be available to ordinary members. #Announcement would be configured as (a) Messages with this tag will be sent as special notices, and (b) Messages with this hashtag will be moderated. This option would result in any message so tagged needing to be checked by a genuine moderator who could ensure that the feature was not being in any way misused before releasing it.

For the record I have tested Option 2 on a test group to which I have access and it seems to work perfectly well. :)

Chris