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Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Typo, I’m ONTO it.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:57 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

ps It went thru. The phone seems to plug in the From address of whichever address I used last. I’m into it now!


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:55 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Not making this clear. I’m not trying to respond to a digest. I’m talking about individual messages, like this one. The phone puts the wrong Fron address on my email and it bounced. Let’s see if this goes through. The other bug is that the phone puts the wrong From address on emails it sends ME.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce

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J

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

ps It went thru. The phone seems to plug in the From address of whichever address I used last. I’m into it now!


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:55 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Not making this clear. I’m not trying to respond to a digest. I’m talking about individual messages, like this one. The phone puts the wrong Fron address on my email and it bounced. Let’s see if this goes through. The other bug is that the phone puts the wrong From address on emails it sends ME.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Not making this clear. I’m not trying to respond to a digest. I’m talking about individual messages, like this one. The phone puts the wrong Fron address on my email and it bounced. Let’s see if this goes through. The other bug is that the phone puts the wrong From address on emails it sends ME.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 01:51 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
J -- I wouldn't call it a bug at all. You're not supposed to reply to a digest. You're supposed to reply to a message within the digest.

One of the things I disliked about Yahoo Groups was all the replies that would come in with a subject line of "Groupname Digest #332." I'm happy that groups.io doesn't allow it, and would not want that behavior to change.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Bingo. It's definitely the phone. My USGS earthquake notification displays the same characteristic, but only on the phone.

Plus, I've tried twice to reply to this thread from the phone, and both times, it bounced. Even though I was replying from the email address I use for this account, the phone put the From address as my other email address, which is not a member of this group. It seems I can no longer (at this point, until they fix this) reply to groups.io messages from my iPhone.

I'm going to look around and see if this is a known bug.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Could something have changed on the iPhone mail program? Just remembered there was a major update overnight.


On Nov 3, 2020, at 8:46 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Mark,

My reporting of this has a slight error. It's the From address in the email that's weird. On my mac, the From address is as normal:
Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io<digestnoreply@groups.io>

But on my iPhone, it's lacking the name "Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io and just says straightup
digestnoreply@groups.io

I've never seen this before, to the extent that the text on my phone was startling to me.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Mark,

My reporting of this has a slight error. It's the From address in the email that's weird. On my mac, the From address is as normal:
Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io<digestnoreply@groups.io>

But on my iPhone, it's lacking the name "Feline_Smallcell_Lymphoma@groups.io and just says straightup
digestnoreply@groups.io

I've never seen this before, to the extent that the text on my phone was startling to me.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: Move Photo causes photo to disappear #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:54 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- If a group only has one photo album, and you try to move a photo, the dialog box displays an empty folder list. If you click on the blue Move button in the dialog anyway, the photo mysteriously disappears. It would be better if the button was greyed out and disabled.

This was discovered by someone in group_help who was attempting to use this function to rearrange thumbnails within an album.

The `move` button is now disabled if there is only one photo album.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 8:02 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Starting today, the summary is going out as "digestnoreply." It used to be called "[group name] - Daily Summary."

This is in the subject of the summary? I haven't made any changes to summaries in quite some time. Is anyone else seeing this?

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: Move Photo causes photo to disappear #bug

 



On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 6:54 AM Bruce Bowman <bruce.bowman@...> wrote:
Mark -- If a group only has one photo album, and you try to move a photo, the dialog box displays an empty folder list. If you click on the blue Move button in the dialog anyway, the photo mysteriously disappears. It would be better if the button was greyed out and disabled.

This was discovered by someone in group_help who was attempting to use this function to rearrange thumbnails within an album.

Regards,
Bruce


Summary email has subject "digestnoreply" #bug

 

Starting today, the summary is going out as "digestnoreply." It used to be called "[group name] - Daily Summary."
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 03:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Is it possible to have that at the top of the individual message page as well?
Mark, is there a reason why you wouldn't put this at the top of the individual message page regardless of whether the message is accessed from groups.io/topics or from [groupname].groups.io/g/main/topics? The latter is more handy for me since I spend more time in my individual groups' messages lists. And many of my members only have one GIO subscription, so they do as well. It would also make for greater consistency.

Pete


Re: Wording to disable two-factor (2FA) #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

Bruce . . .

On Tue, 03 Nov 2020 06:52:41 -0800, "Bruce Bowman"
<@BruceBowman> wrote:

What I'm seeing much more frequently in questions posed to GMF and Group_Help are from people who have lost their second factor and damaged a device or reset it to factory defaults and now need support help just to log in. It seems appropriate to weigh the likelihood of one against the other.

Is support available for this sort of thing?

I was wondering if, let's say, you switched ISPs and no longer have
their email. Perhaps your ISP was also your cell phone service
provider and you didn't port your number over to your new carrier. And
maybe your college email address is no longer as your college stopped
service to previous students and only offers it for those enrolled. Or
maybe Gmail goes belly-up when Google or Yahoo discontinues that free
service (not likely, but possible) so that recovery option is out. So
you may have used any or all of those for 2FA and now you can't
recover your account.

I thought Mark was unavailable for anything but Premium group issues.
Maybe he's available for this sort of thing, but I just wondered.

I try to keep multiple options open but I know of many who only have
one webmail account, perhaps because they don't know how to set up an
ISP email account. I also like to have myself with a different account
as an additional owner of my groups.

Donald


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Move Photo causes photo to disappear #bug

Bruce Bowman
 

Mark -- If a group only has one photo album, and you try to move a photo, the dialog box displays an empty folder list. If you click on the blue Move button in the dialog anyway, the photo mysteriously disappears. It would be better if the button was greyed out and disabled.

This was discovered by someone in group_help who was attempting to use this function to rearrange thumbnails within an album.

Regards,
Bruce


Re: Wording to disable two-factor (2FA) #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Tue, Nov 3, 2020 at 12:56 AM, Jeff Smith wrote:
"whoever is entering the password has already passed two-factor authentication"
Obviously a false assumption. You left out all the ways the intruder has either found the computer unattended or had a remote access to their screen.
Jeff -- It just seems to me, if you're the kind of person who does things like that, no amount of security questions or login factors is going to work.

Just last month my client literally had this exact problem, where the intruder had snuck into his office. They had obtained all the passwords they wanted, but they would not have gotten the login on there home computer because they would not have the 2FA.
Correct.

Obviously they would have simply disabled his 2FA since they did have his password.
Assuming they knew 2FA was in place and they had to do something to disable it [while they were sitting there in clandestine fashion] and had all the time in the world to figure all that out, yes.

What I'm seeing much more frequently in questions posed to GMF and Group_Help are from people who have lost their second factor and damaged a device or reset it to factory defaults and now need support help just to log in. It seems appropriate to weigh the likelihood of one against the other.

Regards,
Bruce


Database bug in time fields #bug

Chris Smith
 

There seems to be a bug in the database time fields...

If I add a record that has time fields in it, then go back and edit the same record and don't change the time fields, they are saved blank/empty. It seems to have something to do with the "am" / "pm" that is added on automatically by the system - if I edit the "am" / "pm" out then it saves fine, but if they are left in the field is saved blank.

Chris


Re: Wording to disable two-factor (2FA) #suggestion

Jeff Smith
 

On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 09:48 AM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
If that isn't adequate security, then I guess we need a third factor.
You are arguing to have only ONE factor, not two because of your assumption that there is need to only enter the first factor in order to REMOVE the second factor (assuming my other conditions where the intruder came in through something already logged in for their first intrusion).

We are not talking about just two passwords. We are saying, "Something you know, and something you have" this is the only reason why 2FA is enough for normal use so you don't need three. What would the third one be? Probably a retnal scan as "something you are" I guess


Re: Wording to disable two-factor (2FA) #suggestion

Jeff Smith
 

Well if you must, I will repeat the reasons here what I said is wrong with your ideas in the Group_Help.

Microsoft and Facebook are the two crappiest examples of security or common sense. If you prefer those, that is why I said you do not want security.

"whoever is entering the password has already passed two-factor authentication"
Obviously a false assumption. You left out all the ways the intruder has either found the computer unattended or had a remote access to their screen. Just last month my client literally had this exact problem, where the intruder had snuck into his office. They had obtained all the passwords they wanted, but they would not have gotten the login on there home computer because they would not have the 2FA. Obviously they would have simply disabled his 2FA since they did have his password.


bulk deletion of attachments #suggestion

 

I went into Billing to see how much storage we're using, since someone just posted a humongous bunch of attachments. In the list of elements, attachments has a link to "view attachments." Which is great, but unfortunately, you can't delete the attachments from there. You have to go into each message individually, delete the attachments, go back to admin-->billing and start all over again.

Could attachments be deletable from "View Attachments" in Billing? This is probably not as simple as it sounds since (I think) it would involve editing each message. But it is incredibly laborious as things stand.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: consider a "Like" to be a "follow" #suggestion

 

Wow! This is like asking the genie for something and he goes Your Wish Is My Command! Thanks, Mark! 😊


On Nov 2, 2020, at 12:25 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:


On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 11:59 AM J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
This is great (sort of;). Is it possible to have that at the top of the individual message page as well? That would be closer to what I was hoping for at the beginning, where Liking a message would cause you to follow the topic. You still can't do anything with the message that causes you to follow its topic except reply to it (assuming you're on auto-follow replies). You still have to go outside of the message itself to create a follow. Call me greedy...

Done.

Thanks,
Mark 

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu