[snip] sounds like a contradiction If payment is necessary, it needs to be per group and/or per group-administrator, so you don't chase people to googlegroups, groupworks, cubits.org or riseup.net,

I have been sitting on my hands for weeks now. I have wanted to write but since I don't have a premium group at this point I started emails and then never sent them thinking that my opinion wouldn't

Mark obviously has the actual figures, but of the 21 groups I am subscribed to only 2 are below 100 members, 11 below the 500 Premium level and the biggest has 5000 members. Virtually all volunteer

Absolutely. All of my groups are like this. None of them would see any value in membership except the occasional file retrieval. Best, Glenn -- PG&E Delenda Est

The various proposed models are now do varied that I have no idea any more which one we’re discussing at this point. Yes, yes, I know, Samuels idea, but which variation of it as mentioned in this

When we were in Canada once for a conference, word got out that a local cell phone shop was offering free phones and a large number of minutes for free with a no-questions money back guarantee.

It would seem to me this is very simple. If a group owner wanted a premium group and wanted to pay the cost of additional members over the tier's limits that group owner could do so and no members

Duane, Thanks for the (attempted) clarification. I’ll have reread this. It seems like a member-pay model affects every member, and therefore, affects all groups, even if indirectly. -- J Messages

Even worse. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu

Making members pay is a dealbreaker for me. I know some feel the opposite. My feeling is that I am hosting. I’m not running a paid business here. And the refund issue is orders of magnitude more

No one would be forced to pay as I read it. There would be 'free slots' for each pricing tier that could be used or the group owner could upgrade to a higher tier with more free slots, as well as

When word gets out that the refund policy may be more generous than the web site officially lets believe, no doubt some group owners might go ahead and tell their members that they should claim

What happens to groups who have paid and get closed down for not following the rules? If a member of a group has paid $3-5 a year for an individual GIO account, they can join a different group. Maybe

Great. So I can juwt tell anyone I don't think should be forced to pay, "Don't worry, you can just request a refund"? I'm serious. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the

This is a good point -- one of those points that are not really problematic to solve but which needs to be considered. I would personally try to find a solution that is likely to lead to the fewest

In my business, if someone has already paid me for something and then I am the one to fire them, I think it's only ethical to give them a refund. I think it would be clearly unethical for a member to

Here's another problem if members rather than owners are the ones who pay: what happens to the member's payment if and when a member is removed and/or banned from a group? What happens if that was

The person setting up a Stripe account to accept donations for a group does need to furnish information. Those making a payment to GIO or a donation to a group only need to enter credit card info.

I do apologize to Catlady for misreading her intent. I do still think the points below are important... ~Mike Groups.io High Level Pricing Concerns: If a current member, without

In reading this proposal and the comments, one thing that seems not to be addressed is the situation where groups.io is used as a mailing list handler only. The members of the group do not actually