Just to be clear: I own/moderate 3 lists, one is 234 members (Trollope&Peers), another, 148 (18thCenturyWorlds), the third, 133 (WomenWriters, femnist); we began March 2002; we have no special

As Dilbert once said "Industry standard" roughly equates to "average" I am a member of many groups that offer peer support for users of a particular price of free software or are enthusiasts about a

ken, I don't believe these are targets. Merely the number that are included in the base price of the plan. Again I don't think that's what is intended. There's no reason a group of 2000 members

TechSoup does the verification legwork and maintains a file copy of the IRS determination letter. Tech Soup is a company that handles the verification process for small US based business as well as

I think Mark is smart enough to figure out how to set his charges. I just think he needs to see how many different TYPES of groups there are. Some types can easily bear charges, some not so easy..

Mark, thank you for finding a way at this time to grant legacy groups a free service. I volunteer for a few GIO groups covered personally with the current grandfathered option and I know first hand

I think 2020 will mark the beginning of the great free online services shakeout. The services aren't free and the current methods of paying for them are all pretty flaky: selling ads that most people

I would be extremely opposed, as I was the last time around, to groups having to state on their home page whether they're premium or basic. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author,

What does the new pricing structure have to do with the members of a group needing to be informed of whether the group is basic or premium or whatever? Nothing. Maybe you are thinking about the

Now that the pricing structure is radically changing to a fee per member. I feel that the Home page should be changed to show if a list is Basic (Free), Premium or Enterprise. Mark has not indicated

Thanks Bill. I was joking. This thing has gone wildly (but entertainingly) off track. 😊 -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. My humanity is bound up in

Google IPV6. IP4 has fewer groups kf bits to define an address. IPV6 has significantly more, This allows more.addresses, and closer tracking too and.purportedly.serious beneficial ramifications for

This was referring to Andy’s point about people using the same computer. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can

Exactly right, another good point. Bad idea overall. -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together.

Penny said: "I understand that this service has to pay for itself, and luckily my group is grandfathered so this won't affect it.” Mark is obviously a talented and conscientious individual, and

And how do you distinguish between different people the same location (and therefore the same public IP address) legitimately belonging to different groups? Those who house share or family members

What I meant to say, was of course! IPV6 helps. That's a given. (nods head sagely....) What's IPV6? ;) -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. My humanity is

Of course. But we’re talking about a workaround to a workaround to a bad idea (IMO) in the first place. The whole debate is just an intellectual one anyway. None of this is going to happen. --

IP tracking is inherently unreliable. Anyone that has a dynamic address may have a different one every time they connect. That's most of the world since there are a finite number of public IP

yes -- J Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones. My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu