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moderated Re: group owner #suggestion

 

On Tue, Mar 1, 2022 at 4:06 PM Marvin Hunkin <blindgeekzone@...> wrote:
hi. wondering if a feature for showing which owners own the group. if a feature exists, where is it. if not, could this be added.
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Message was approved in error, please ignore.

Mark 


moderated Re: Really lock a topic #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

Okay. Resurrecting this topic one last time.

Can we please just go back to my original suggestion? https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/30693  Please read it before commenting.

I'm not asking that we roll back the change made some time ago. All I want is some straightforward way to disable this. A checkbox in the Message Policies group settings would suffice ("Disable Moderator posting to locked topics").

It really doesn't seem that complicated to me.

Thanks much,
Bruce


moderated Site updates #changelog

 

Changes to the site this week:

February 25, 2022:

February 24, 2022:

  • APP NEW: Testing a Back arrow in the navbar for the /topic and /message page. Discussion
  • NEW: Include the biller's name in group invoices if one is set.

February 23, 2022:

  • NEW: New Changed topic's subject activity log entry. Discussion
  • CHANGE: Re-worded inconsistent Moderator changed email delivery method activity log entry blurb. Discussion
  • NEW: File activity log entries and notification messages now include file paths for all actions. Discussion

The next #changelog will be published on Friday, March 4th.

Take care everyone.

Mark


moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Pete Cook
 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 06:22 AM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Scroll to the bottom Pete, it's there on my copy although I dislike the way 'unsubscribe' is almost always greyed out so it's hard to see :-(
 
You are correct, sir! Thanks.

Pete


moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On Fri, 25 Feb 2022 01:38:21 -0000, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 06:05 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:
SHOULD the reports go to email addresses that lack accounts?
Definitely not; we all get enough unnecessary email. If I were to drop my GIO account (not that that would EVER happen) I'd be pretty annoyed to still get these notices.

On the contrary, it is an independent system and needs no knowledge of addresses on the primary system. Anyway, I deliberately have different addresses for the grouops.io and the stsuts system.

Or - perhaps you can put an unsubscribe link in the notice.

Scroll to the bottom Pete, it's there on my copy although I dislike the way 'unsubscribe' is almost always greyed out so it's hard to see :-(

Malcolm.

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moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Feb 25, 2022 at 09:21 AM, Andy Wedge wrote:
I am signed up for these but have not received a separate report.
I stand corrected. As the sending address is not Groups.io, one of my email rules shunted it to a different folder.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 10:51 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:
the "incident report" today
Hmm!. I am signed up for these but have not received a separate report.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Pete Cook
 

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 06:05 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:
SHOULD the reports go to email addresses that lack accounts?
Definitely not; we all get enough unnecessary email. If I were to drop my GIO account (not that that would EVER happen) I'd be pretty annoyed to still get these notices.

Or - perhaps you can put an unsubscribe link in the notice.

Pete


moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

 

On Thu, Feb 24, 2022 at 03:09 PM, Malcolm Austen wrote:
Why on earth
What about on Mars? ;)
 
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J

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moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 23:05:46 -0000, Janet_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

Good point. I'd forgotten that I'd signed up for that separately.


That said, SHOULD the reports go to email addresses that lack accounts?

Why on earth should there be such a restriction?

I subbed deliberately with a distinct email but then I have a whole domain and can make up new addresses at will :-)

Malcolm.

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moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

 

Good point. I'd forgotten that I'd signed up for that separately. That said, SHOULD the reports go to email addresses that lack accounts?
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

Malcolm Austen
 

On Thu, 24 Feb 2022 22:22:59 -0000, Janet_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

I think this is a bug: last week I changed my email address for my account, but the "incident report" today was sent to the old one and not to the new one.

I think it's a quite separate system on <URL:https://status.groups.io>.

It would not make sense for it (a fault notification system) to be linked with your actual groups.io account. Suppose the account database fails and needs to be recovered ...

Malcolm.

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moderated "Incident report" sent to previous email address #bug

 

I think this is a bug: last week I changed my email address for my account, but the "incident report" today was sent to the old one and not to the new one.
--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


moderated Re: When a file is deleted, show its former location in Activity log and Moderator notification #suggestion

Andy I
 

Duane,

Some of the things I listed have been addressed already.  But I am still curious where I changed my position a few times.

Andy


moderated Re: When a file is deleted, show its former location in Activity log and Moderator notification #suggestion

Andy I
 

Duane,

I believe I have not changed position.

But I regret having confused the situation by discussing more than one problem in the same thread.  If you feel that I have changed my position, then you might have misunderstood.  I apologize if that happened.  Perhaps you could point out where you think I changed position a few times.

The problems I had were basically these:

- No email notification when (some) files were uploaded today.  This is not a recurring problem.  But it happened today.
- Deletions: No hint where a deleted file had been before it was deleted.
- Uploads: There are somewhat cryptic "links" for uploaded files (in the activity log).  There are a few issues around that.

Please, tell me where did I flip-flop, or where do you think that I did?  I do not always explain things clearly enough for everyone.

Regarding "but a link for a file that has been deleted won't do any good anyway."  To you, maybe.  Not to me.  Example:  Say there are a dozen files named "master.lib", and one of them is deleted.  Which one?  It helps to know which copy was deleted - what was the path to the deleted file's location?  If you have a large file system on groups.io, where do you look to find where a file was when it is deleted?  If there are no consequences to deleting a file, then it wouldn't matter; but deletions have consequences.

Andy


moderated Re: When a file is deleted, show its former location in Activity log and Moderator notification #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 03:57 PM, Andy wrote:
Yes, it is both good and important to know.  If knowing anything about what goes on in your group matters, then knowing that something was uploaded matters, even if it is deleted later - whether that's 15 minutes later or a week later.
You will get a notification of uploads and deletes (along with other actions), but a link for a file that has been deleted won't do any good anyway.  Mark has already added full path in the notifications, so a link isn't really needed (especially if the file has already been deleted).  He's also agreed to try to determine what, if anything, went wrong for the situation where you claim to have not gotten notifications.

I've really been trying to follow your logic, but you've changed position a few times, so I may have misunderstood something.

Duane


moderated Re: When a file is deleted, show its former location in Activity log and Moderator notification #suggestion

Andy I
 

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 04:10 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
All notifications of an upload currently include a link to the file. If the file was deleted before the notification is sent, is receiving such a notification a good thing? Is it even important to know that a file was uploaded and immediately deleted? ...

Yes, it is both good and important to know.  If knowing anything about what goes on in your group matters, then knowing that something was uploaded matters, even if it is deleted later - whether that's 15 minutes later or a week later.

... It is, after all, too late to do anything about it.

These notifications are not suggestions to me that I must do something about them.  Sometimes I do.  Even if not, I do want to know why someone uploads a file, and I really want to know if they upload it and delete it 15 minutes later.  What's going on with that?  Do they need assistance?  As Moderator, I am there to do that.

For this particular case, where I received notice that a file was deleted but no notice that it was uploaded, what does that tell me?  It says that someone deleted a file that might have been uploaded a dozen years ago, and now it's gone and I don't know if I can get it back.  I recognized the filename.  I started to panic - until I checked the Activity log and saw that the same person also uploaded a file with the same filename this morning, so perhaps that was the one he deleted.

Andy


moderated Re: When a file is deleted, show its former location in Activity log and Moderator notification #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 11:47 AM, Duane wrote:
On Wed, Feb 23, 2022 at 09:31 AM, Andy wrote:
It looks as if Groups.io decides it does not need to tell me that the file was uploaded, because it was deleted before sending an email notification about it.
I've never seen that happen.  As near as I can tell/remember, I've been notified of every action as compared to the Activity log.
I'm going to try one last time to get my point across.

All notifications of an upload currently include a link to the file. If the file was deleted before the notification is sent, is receiving such a notification a good thing? Is it even important to know that a file was uploaded and immediately deleted? It is, after all, too late to do anything about it.

Seems to me we're asking for another "bug report" down the line about receiving an emailed link that doesn't work.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: Now begging: add log entry for updating member signature #suggestion

 

On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 at 9:01 AM Janet_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:
"Changed email delivery method (by moderator)" is not worded or grouped with all the other "Moderator changed" items in the search options. If this is supposed to be consistent (or if people expect it to be consistent), it's not. Maybe rephrase and move that one...

I've changed itto `Moderator changed email delivery method`.

 
I also noticed that there's no activity entry for when a moderator edits a topic title. (That's how I stumbled on the above.)

I've added a new `Changed topic's subject` activity log entry.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: When a file is deleted, show its former location in Activity log and Moderator notification #suggestion

 

Hi All,

I've added full paths to all File activity log entries as well as to notification messages. Also, for file/folder moves, I've added the destination folders. 

These changes only apply to new activities.

Andy, please send me as many details as possible about the missing notifications off-list, and I'll investigate.

Thanks,
Mark

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