Oh, cool. I'm slightly behind the curve then. Should I post ones here that escape the algorithm? No, just checked that thread you linked. That looks like it could be a better place to suggest further tags, unless its age precludes that.

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 03:36 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

they look easily identifiable to me

They could be *more* easily identifiable.

have you considered either muting the #photo-notice hashtag or turning off the moderator notification?

No and I would not want to do either of those things.
 
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Exactly! That’s my whole point. 

Andy,

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I think my reply may be off-topic.  But many pet custodians no longer call themselves "owners", any more than they would say own their human children.

While on the one hand they might not think "owner of Fluffy", they also might be offended by wording that implies cat ownership.

(Anyway, does anyone ever own a cat?  Isn't it the other way around?)  :-)

Andy

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 11:01 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:

Yes but those are the LAST things displayed. Barely visible on a small screen like on a phone until you open the message. They at first look identical.

I don't have a massive phone screen but they look easily identifiable to me:

 

Of course, if you wish to see a longer subject line, you can simply rotate the phone to landscape mode:

It would be helpful if the actual message titles were distinct.

If having two notifications is still confusing then have you considered either muting the #photo-notice hashtag or turning off the moderator notification?

Regards
Andy

On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 02:56 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:

Fluffy Album
Owner:  [group member]

The members of our group will see "owner" and never in a million years think it means the owner of the album. They will think (as even I did), "Owner of Fluffy." And no harm is done to any other group by changing it to "Album Owner."
 
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 02:57 PM, Andy Wedge wrote:

The message to the group will have the #photo-notice hashtag and the usual Groups.io footers

Yes but those are the LAST things displayed. Barely visible on a small screen like on a phone until you open the message. They at first look identical.
It would be helpful if the actual message titles were distinct.
 
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 09:36 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:

Ok, apologies for the stream of consciousness. I'm pretty sure now that of the two "identical emails" I received, one was the actual email notification, and the othe was the notification message that posted to the group. I still wonder whether this could be changed somehow to be simpler and clearer.

The message to the group will have the #photo-notice hashtag and the usual Groups.io footers. The moderator notification will have neither. 

Regards
Andy

Because it displays, in this order:
Fluflly Album
Owner:  [group member]
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On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 08:56 PM, Janet_Catlady wrote:

if the word "owner" could be changed to "album owner."

Since you are looking at the photo album where this is displayed, I'm not sure how that be taken to mean anything other than the owner of the album.

Regards
Andy

Ok, apologies for the stream of consciousness. I'm pretty sure now that of the two "identical emails" I received, one was the actual email notification, and the othe was the notification message that posted to the group. I still wonder whether this could be changed somehow to be simpler and clearer.

(And there is still the issue of the links - which was the subject of my prior topic before I realized these were related.)
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I've looked a little more closely into this, and here's what seems to be happening. (These are issues with the notifications, not the log entries.)
The problems I see are in bold below.

1. Notifications sent to the group - the only problem here is no link to the album:
When the member creates the album:

"xya added album [album name]" [with no link]
Whenthe member adds photos:

"xyz added photo [with link} to album [with no link]


2. Notifications sent to email - two identical emails sent, both starting with "added photo album" (also no links):
This morning, after a group member created an album and added tow photos, I received two identical emails, both beginning with "xyz added the album [album name]." Then both contained the two additions for the photos. I realize that notifications are being merged to avoid a lot of emails. But the result is that (1) both emails start with "xyz added photo album [album name]," which looks like they added it twice.; and (2) both contained the same information about the two photo additions. (I doublechecked. There are only two photos total in the album. Both are blank, BTW, but that's a separate issue that I need to sort out.)

I think that adding an album merits a separate notification from the addition of photos to the album, to avoid confusion. I also don't understand why two identical emails were went (with, oddly, one not containing the groups.io footer). And neither contained a link to the album, although both contained links to the added photos.

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To clarify: usually, the group member titles the album with just the cat's name - let's say, Fluffy. Groups.io adds "owner:" to that, resulting in
Fluffy
Owner: Susan with Fluffy
which reads, at first glance, as if we are saying that Susan is the owner of Fluffly.
It seems that a change to
Album Onwer: Susan with Fluffy
would be harmless.
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Our group members upload albums with photos of their cats. But groups.io uses the word "owner" without qualification (i.e., not "album owner") for the album name. Although that word is followed by the member display name, it can sometimes be misleading and look like it's talking about the cat owner (since the member name always includes the cat's name). And some of us don't like the "owner" for the person whose cat it is. Some people prefer "caretaker," "pet parent," etc. It would not seem too difficult, and would actually be clearer in any case, if the word "owner" could be changed to "album owner."
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When someone adds a photo to an already existing photo album, the log entry reads “added photo album [album name] : photo [photo name].”It should say either “added to photo album [album name]” (needs the word “to”) or better yet, switch order and say “added photo [photo name] to album [album name].”


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I haven't kept up here with the ins and outs of photo albums, so maybe this has already been addressed: Recently, for the first time in my memory of my group, someone uploaded a photo album and was able to issue a notification to the group. I'm assuming this is a recent change, since I've never seen it before. In fact, I used to bemoan that no notification was being sent to the group, and that the member who did the upload didn't realize that, and I used to post the link and the announcement by hand to the group. And it's a great addition, if an addition. However, the notification just looked like this (verbatim figleafing):

[display name] <[email name]@...> added the album [album name].

There was no link to the album, making the announcement not extremely useful to group members. So I then sent the link to the group by hand. Is there supposed to be a link to the album? It seems like there should be.

Thanks.

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We have a group guideline against changing the Display Name from what it's set to at group admission (person's name, cat name and gender, geographical location). Often, I find that it has been changed, and see a log entry "changed Display Name via web." It took me awhile to realize that usually (possibly always?) the person has changed it via their account settings, not via our group, and so I stopped DMing people to remind them of the guideline, and started simply changing it back without notifying them. However, it would be useful to know when they've done which - changed it via group or account settings. So could the log entry distinguish between the two cases?
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BUGFIX: Fixed wrong icon in dialog box. Discussion

Many thanks, Mark. x and checkmark are much clearer.

Best,

Glenn

Changes to the site this week:

June 2, 2022:

• CHANGE: Changed the database table search index to allow for partial word matches. Discussion
• CHANGE: Changing the color of a subscription to a group will also change the color of any subgroup subscriptions where the subgroup does not have a default color set. Discussion

May 31, 2022:

• BUGFIX: Notifications were not generated when deleting database table rows using the Delete Rows button on the /table page. Discussion
• BUGFIX: Log integration messages that are sent to the group and that don't require approval. Also include the name of the integration in the activity log message. Discussion
• BUGFIX: Approved message webhooks were not including the raw message.
• BUGFIX: Integration messages that did not require approval were not generating webhooks.
• BUGFIX: Fixed wrong icon in dialog box. Discussion

The next #changelog will be published on Friday, June 10th.

Take care everyone.

Mark