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moderated Re: include dropdown for actions on topics in topic search results #suggestion

 

Hi J,

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 3:24 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
That still doesn't solve this problem, though:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/15143

(namely: if you do an action on a topic after a search, it still reverts back to the whole message list). I think I was mistakenly thinking, since these two issues are related, that you'd just fixed that one, too. Is this in the works?

If you're editing a topic subject, that should now return you do the search page, although the edited subject may not be reflected in the search results until you hit reload (again, the search caching issue I mentioned earlier which I haven't figured out how to solve yet).

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

Hi J,

Good suggestions. I've changed the wording and how the #guidelines hashtag is created.

Thanks,
Mark

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 9:33 PM, J_Catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 09:21 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
change the box "send monthly to members" to "send monthly to group"
...should read "change the description" (the box just reads "send monthly")
 
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moderated Re: include dropdown for actions on topics in topic search results #suggestion

 

That still doesn't solve this problem, though:
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/15143

(namely: if you do an action on a topic after a search, it still reverts back to the whole message list). I think I was mistakenly thinking, since these two issues are related, that you'd just fixed that one, too. Is this in the works?
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moderated Re: include dropdown for actions on topics in topic search results #suggestion

 

Yay! Thanks. :-)
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moderated Re: include dropdown for actions on topics in topic search results #suggestion

 

Hi All,

Search results now have the topics actions dropdown when using the collapsed topics option. There's one issue; when completing a merge, when the search results refresh, the merged from topic may still appear, with 0 message in it. This is a cache issue that I haven't squashed yet. Refreshing the page will make that disappear.

Cheers,
Mark

On Fri, Oct 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Bob Bellizzi <cdfexec@...> wrote:
The way I get around this shortcoming is to have (at least) two tabs open on the browser (or two browser windows); use one for the serching and use the other the do any editig, etc.
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moderated Suggestion - upload/expand zip file

Toby Kraft
 

I have a zip archive from our old site (wiggio).  Sure would be nice to upload the zip archive and have it expanded on the server into folders/files...
Thanks
Toby


moderated Re: Unplanned downtime #outage

Ginny T.
 

What downtime? :>)


On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 02:36 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
But I apologize for the downtime.

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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 01:43 pm, Duane wrote:
I meant the "for hiding topics
Ok. This sounds like just a technical change for now, or Mark would have mentioned the new functionality, although maybe it could enable new functionality.

On another note, I worry that this change has resulted in a weird bug that I reported to Mark this morning. (Won't bore you with details unless anybody here is interested. It's complicated...basically a new thread sort of appeared, but didn't, and behaved in some ways as part of an old thread, but in other ways didn't...it has me completely mystified...)
 
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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

Duane
 

I wasn't referring to the DMCA part, I meant the "for hiding topics[,?] and for storing notices". Depending on how the database is set up, the "System" could be needed and related to "deleting" a topic by hiding it, so would indeed be technical, but would result in a functional change. I believe the #changelog is referring to 3 separate, but related, items. Hopefully, Mark will check in Monday to clarify.

Duane


moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 11:18 am, Duane wrote:
It may be wishful thinking on my part
Wishful thinking re DMCA takedown. That would be for when a user posts content that's copyrighted (exclusively) to someone else and the person with the copyright wants it taken down. Not the user. As has been repeated here over and over again, users give (non-exclusive), irrevocable rights to groups.io to publish their own content. That doesn't change unless the TOU changes. 

Not sure about the rest but it sounds technical rather than functional.
 
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moderated Re: Re-captcha

Bob Bellizzi
 

Please, please, at least in Premium and enterprise, captchas must be optional, at least on restricted groups.
Unrestricted groups have always been easy targets and I see no way to protect them that won't alienate potential members who barely get by on the internet much  less understand nuances like captchas.
I would hate to have to start looking for another home
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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

Duane
 

It may be wishful thinking on my part, but I hope that the recent Changelog item "NEW: System for dealing with DMCA takedown notices, for hiding topics and for storing notices." is related to this.

Duane


moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

Another reason I like it: you could also have an ‘undelete’ function if desired.

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On Nov 4, 2017, at 10:05 AM, JohnF via Groups.Io <johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

It sounds like a "deleted" message shouldn't really be deleted, just hidden from everyone's point of view. Then it will still properly thread anything that's a reply to a deleted message.

JohnF


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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

That’s the basic idea with just saving the headers. You might run into storage problems if nothing were ever truly deleted. But presumably, with using FIFO deletion for groups running out of space, the messages being deleted would be so old that they’re not problematic anyway. So I like this idea.

J

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On Nov 4, 2017, at 10:05 AM, JohnF via Groups.Io <johnf1686=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

It sounds like a "deleted" message shouldn't really be deleted, just hidden from everyone's point of view. Then it will still properly thread anything that's a reply to a deleted message.

JohnF


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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

It sounds like a "deleted" message shouldn't really be deleted, just hidden from everyone's point of view. Then it will still properly thread anything that's a reply to a deleted message.

JohnF


moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 06:27 am, Duane wrote:
I delete all other entries and lock it. A
That won't generally work. If someone who is well intentioned but simply hasn't seen your warning message, or if they've seen it and are determined to respond anyway, they can still successfully reply to a deleted message. 
 
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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

Yes, it’s a big, and more general, problem. If you delete even one message from a thread, you can no longer effectively lock it or moderate it because replies get through.

If I want to delete any message I now simply redact the content and replace it with ‘this content has been removed.’ Then I lock the thread. That way, replies are effectively blocked. If you instead delete the messsge and lock the thread, Groups.Io can’t connect replies with the locked thread and it lets them through. You get the same issue with moderating a thread. If s messsge in it was deleted, you’re hosed.

You’re making the same point I’ve stressed repeatedly: it’s precisely threads you want to delete or remove messages from that people will want to keep responding to. And it’s why I was arguing a couple of days ago that Groups.Io should provide an option to disable message deletion by members. Currently, if a member deletes a message, the entire thread becomes unlockabke and unmoderatable. But of course there was a lot of blowback to that. It would currently be legal according to the TOU, but after that was recognized there was even s suggestion to change the TOU to give members the right to delete messages.

Shal has suggested that Groups.Io adopt my workaround - remove only the content, I.e. message body, upon deletion, instead of the whole message. That way, the header stays in the system and you can lock the thread because the system can match it to the locked (or moderated) thread. I think that would be a great solution to this if Mark can implement it.

J

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On Nov 4, 2017, at 5:31 AM, Helen <helen@felineckd.com> wrote:

As far as I can see, this doesn't happen. It can be done with locked threads but if you delete a thread, responses will still appear (even if you've locked it first), and then you have to keep deleting them too. Yet in some ways, it's more important to block responses to a deleted thread than to a locked one.

Thanks.

Helen


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moderated Re: Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

Duane
 

It may not be the best solution, but I have a work-around for this. I reply "This thread is locked and no responses will be accepted. It will be deleted soon." Then I delete all other entries and lock it. After about a week usually, I delete the topic. I sometimes include a reason for locking/deleting, such as inappropriate for the group. It seems to work for us. This is a difficult situation to resolve because we sometimes have topics with the exact same subject line and we want the new ones to come through, but no replies to the locked/deleted one.

Duane


moderated Any way to stop responses to a deleted thread?

 

As far as I can see, this doesn't happen. It can be done with locked threads but if you delete a thread, responses will still appear (even if you've locked it first), and then you have to keep deleting them too. Yet in some ways, it's more important to block responses to a deleted thread than to a locked one.

Thanks.

Helen


moderated Re: Site updates #changelog

 

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 09:21 pm, J_Catlady wrote:
change the box "send monthly to members" to "send monthly to group"
...should read "change the description" (the box just reads "send monthly")
 
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Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.

I wish I could shut up, but I can't, and I won't. - Desmond Tutu

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