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moderated Re: RFE: Moderate messages with keywords

 

Most in my group seem to not read the guidelines until they repeatedly violate one, are notified that they’ve been put on mod, and are sent a review copy with a note calling their attention to the applicable guideline. Most comply after that. This, I might add, can be done in a nice way, with a note to the effect that we understand most people don’t read the guidelines when they first join and (in our group’s case) are too worried about their sick cats. Etc.


On Jul 25, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

No one reads those rules, I don't. I just check a bot and go. It's like a license agreement. I don't read them, I of corse agree to have my data sold and to abide by 50 pages of rules, and that my data is not mine etc etc etc.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 25 Jul 2019, at 7:43, Epicatt2 wrote:

[I realize that this thread is a bit old, but there has been some recent discussion elsewhere about 'thank-you' posts so I thought that I'd add some thoughts to it.]

On our group we discourage 'Thank-you' posts and other one-line replies such as 'I agree' since that creates useless posts to wade through. This can be a real problem for many of out members living in a 3rd world country with slow internet plus per-minute charges while online. So we suggest that 'thank-yous' be sent privately, off-list directly to the person the poster wishes to thank.

We do, however, allow 'Thank-you' posts when they also include new or useful information to the thread in addition to the 'thank-you'.

The real difficulty we have found with not permitting 'thank-yous' is that with some folks posting a 'thank-you' is so ingrained that they become miffed when told that's not allowed and get mad and leave the group. This is despite the explanation in our posting guidelines explaining the 'thank-yous' and other 'one-line' posts are not allowed.

Maybe it would be useful to have an optional feature added which can be toggled on or off in the settings for the group whereby each new member would have to check a box verifying that they have read and do agree to abide by the posting guidelines for the group before their membership is validated.

OK – HTH

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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moderated Move a conversation thread from the main forum to a subgroup #suggestion

Peter Simpson
 

Hi,

In the ASCOM group we have a main forum for helping end users and a separate Developer subgroup for passionate technical discussions that are not suitable for the main forum.

Sometimes a main group conversation morphs into something more appropriate for the Developer forum and we would like to be able to move whole conversation threads from the main group to the Developer subgroup.

At present I have to lock the main group thread, create a new Developer subgroup thread and copy and paste the main group conversation into the Developer thread. It would be so much neater just to be able to move the thread.

Can this feature be added?

Thanks, Peter


moderated Re: RFE: Moderate messages with keywords

Sarah k Alawami
 

No one reads those rules, I don't. I just check a bot and go. It's like a license agreement. I don't read them, I of corse agree to have my data sold and to abide by 50 pages of rules, and that my data is not mine etc etc etc.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.
For stuff we sell, mac training materials and  tutorials go here.
and for hosting options go here
to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 25 Jul 2019, at 7:43, Epicatt2 wrote:

[I realize that this thread is a bit old, but there has been some recent discussion elsewhere about 'thank-you' posts so I thought that I'd add some thoughts to it.]

On our group we discourage 'Thank-you' posts and other one-line replies such as 'I agree' since that creates useless posts to wade through. This can be a real problem for many of out members living in a 3rd world country with slow internet plus per-minute charges while online. So we suggest that 'thank-yous' be sent privately, off-list directly to the person the poster wishes to thank.

We do, however, allow 'Thank-you' posts when they also include new or useful information to the thread in addition to the 'thank-you'.

The real difficulty we have found with not permitting 'thank-yous' is that with some folks posting a 'thank-you' is so ingrained that they become miffed when told that's not allowed and get mad and leave the group. This is despite the explanation in our posting guidelines explaining the 'thank-yous' and other 'one-line' posts are not allowed.

Maybe it would be useful to have an optional feature added which can be toggled on or off in the settings for the group whereby each new member would have to check a box verifying that they have read and do agree to abide by the posting guidelines for the group before their membership is validated.

OK – HTH

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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moderated Re: RFE: Moderate messages with keywords

 

You mean so they can not read it, scroll quickly down to the bottom, and check the box, just like I and many (if not most) others do for most TOU checkboxes on websites?

We have a statement at the top of our guidelines, which are automatically sent to new members, saying that they agree to the guidelines by virtue of belonging to the group. I don’t think a checkbox will increase compliance.

On Jul 25, 2019, at 7:43 AM, Epicatt2 <stanhopi@gmail.com> wrote:

[I realize that this thread is a bit old, but there has been some recent discussion elsewhere about 'thank-you' posts so I thought that I'd add some thoughts to it.]

On our group we discourage 'Thank-you' posts and other one-line replies such as 'I agree' since that creates useless posts to wade through. This can be a real problem for many of out members living in a 3rd world country with slow internet plus per-minute charges while online. So we suggest that 'thank-yous' be sent privately, off-list directly to the person the poster wishes to thank.

We do, however, allow 'Thank-you' posts when they also include new or useful information to the thread in addition to the 'thank-you'.

The real difficulty we have found with not permitting 'thank-yous' is that with some folks posting a 'thank-you' is so ingrained that they become miffed when told that's not allowed and get mad and leave the group. This is despite the explanation in our posting guidelines explaining the 'thank-yous' and other 'one-line' posts are not allowed.

Maybe it would be useful to have an optional feature added which can be toggled on or off in the settings for the group whereby each new member would have to check a box verifying that they have read and do agree to abide by the posting guidelines for the group before their membership is validated.

OK – HTH

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
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moderated Re: RFE: Moderate messages with keywords

Epicatt2
 

[I realize that this thread is a bit old, but there has been some recent discussion elsewhere about 'thank-you' posts so I thought that I'd add some thoughts to it.]

On our group we discourage 'Thank-you' posts and other one-line replies such as 'I agree' since that creates useless posts to wade through. This can be a real problem for many of out members living in a 3rd world country with slow internet plus per-minute charges while online. So we suggest that 'thank-yous' be sent privately, off-list directly to the person the poster wishes to thank.

We do, however, allow 'Thank-you' posts when they also include new or useful information to the thread in addition to the 'thank-you'.

The real difficulty we have found with not permitting 'thank-yous' is that with some folks posting a 'thank-you' is so ingrained that they become miffed when told that's not allowed and get mad and leave the group. This is despite the explanation in our posting guidelines explaining the 'thank-yous' and other 'one-line' posts are not allowed.

Maybe it would be useful to have an optional feature added which can be toggled on or off in the settings for the group whereby each new member would have to check a box verifying that they have read and do agree to abide by the posting guidelines for the group before their membership is validated.

OK – HTH

Paul M.
CostaRicaLiving
https: //groups.io/g/CostaRicaLiving
==


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

 

I think that’s not the case in some groups. But either way, the ordering seems random. Maybe it should be re-evaluated.


On Jul 25, 2019, at 12:06 AM, Chris Jones via Groups.Io <chrisjones12@...> wrote:

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 05:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 08:40 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki,
That's a great point. Why is that?
I suspect that anything that requires Subscribers to log in finishes up in the "not used much" category; most Subs seem to want to operate by email only. Such polling evidence that I have suggests that most Subs just don't use the web UI much, if at all.

Unfortunately...

Chris

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Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Ruthie Levi
 

way too cluttered in appearance now, sorry. i use this pg dozens of time a day. i want to see less at a glance, rather than more. i am looking to find pending messages, all of the rest is noise for me...my 2 cents.

thanks, as always!

ruthie levi


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 12:02 AM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
Please let me know what you think.
As it is now, I like the Your Groups dropdown menu with just the subgroup email prefix (before the @) showing.  With around 19 subgroups, this is my main navigation tool so the less cluttered the better for me (I don't need to see the group titles).

I occasionally refer to the Your Groups page and having a group name and title displayed there (truncated as needed) works for me.

One thing I would like to see is consistency in the order of the two lists.  On the Your Groups drop down menu, I see beta and GMF at the top whereas on the Your Groups page, they are at the bottom.  As I constantly refer to beta and GMF, it would be helpful for me if they are at the top.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

Chris Jones
 

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 05:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 08:40 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki,
That's a great point. Why is that?
I suspect that anything that requires Subscribers to log in finishes up in the "not used much" category; most Subs seem to want to operate by email only. Such polling evidence that I have suggests that most Subs just don't use the web UI much, if at all.

Unfortunately...

Chris


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Dave Sergeant
 

I never look at Your Groups so I don't care what is on there. But I DO
use Groups page all the time and I do not like the clutter of truncated
titles. Please do NOT do it this way. I know what all my groups are
about (since I subscribe to them), I don't need reminding that it is
'Minos Contest Logging Program' or even worse 'Help improve the
Management of' with what it is of is truncated off... That must hold
the record of the most meaningless truncated title there is!

Thanks
Dave

On 24 Jul 2019 at 16:02, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Please see https://groups.io/groups?test=1

In this test, the Your Groups dropdown is reverted to the original, no
titles display. The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.

http://davesergeant.com


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Michael Pavan
 

On Jul 24, 2019, at 7:58 PM, Duane <txpigeon@gmail.com> wrote:

| On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 06:02 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
| The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.
It appears that groups where I'm an owner or moderator are alphabetical at the top, then groups or subgroups where I'm not, also alphabetical.
Perfect, although I wouldn't mind not having the Groups names
There's (currently) one group where I'm a mod, but not for the subgroups, so those listings are separated.
I'm not in this situation, but it might make more sense to not separate subgroups from their group.
I suggest including both in the owner/moderator listing if any of them are owned or moderated by me.

Like others, I do like having the owner/mod groups at the top since those are the ones I tend to access the most, but it just seems weird.
It's good, not weird to me.

I'm sure I'd get used to it if there's not a simple solution. If each member could set a sort order, it should work for anyone,
that would be ideal
but that seems like a lot of work and another (or extended) database.
Agreed

Thanks for listening,
Yes, definitely thanks for listening



On Jul 24, 2019, at 8:24 PM, Gerald Boutin <groupsio@infinichron.com> wrote:

The Your Groups Dropdown is back to the way it was.
not exactly, but OK - formerly the groups where I'm an owner or moderator are alphabetical at the top, then groups or subgroups where I'm not, also alphabetical.
Much cleaner and easier to read. I suspect several hundred thousand users that use this display will also be happy.
Absolutely

On the other hand, the "Your Groups" display is something I seldom need to look at. It probably comes in handy for Owner/Moderators that have several groups to administer.
Yes
That said, I don't see the need to have the descriptions listed here,
Agreed
and if I was implementing it, it would have been a separate column that could be hidden if desired.
Great idea
As it is now, it appears visually cluttered.
Yes, but better than before the update.


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 08:40 PM, Ken Kloeber wrote:
It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki,
That's a great point. Why is that? Could it be because the wiki is at the bottom? The items aren't alphabetical. In fact, I can't figure out what the order is based on, but at least in the case of my group, it's not based on the usage - in fact, nearly the opposite. Here's the current order:

Home

Guidelines

Subscription

Messages

Hashtags

New Topic

New Poll

Chats

Directory

Calendar

Photos

Files 

Databases

Wiki

What is this order based on, if anything? If I had to create an order based on usage in my group (or desired usage), I would put Hashtags, New Polls, Chats, and Directory at the very bottom. We also don't use the calendar, but I'm guessing the majority of groups probably do, so I won't argue that it, for example, should be near the bottom. But I think for most groups, having Files, Photos, and Wiki closer to the top would be more useful.

 
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moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

Mark

Yep, really fixed.  THANK YOU!  (It's difficult enough to get  members to click on/use the wiki, so can't make it any more difficult for them...)


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Gerald Boutin <groupsio@...>
 

The Your Groups Dropdown is back to the way it was. Much cleaner and easier to read. I suspect several hundred thousand users that use this display will also be happy.

On the other hand, the "Your Groups" display is something I seldom need to look at. It probably comes in handy for Owner/Moderators that have several groups to administer. That said, I don't see the need to have the descriptions listed here, and if I was implementing it, it would have been a separate column that could be hidden if desired. As it is now, it appears visually cluttered.

--
Gerald


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

Duane
 

On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 06:02 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.
It appears that groups where I'm an owner or moderator are alphabetical at the top, then groups or subgroups where I'm not, also alphabetical.  There's (currently) one group where I'm a mod, but not for the subgroups, so those listings are separated.  Like others, I do like having the owner/mod groups at the top since those are the ones I tend to access the most, but it just seems weird.  I'm sure I'd get used to it if there's not a simple solution.  If each member could set a sort order, it should work for anyone, but that seems like a lot of work and another (or extended) database.

Thanks for listening,
Duane


Re: Feature Request- 'Your Groups' menu #suggestion

 

Hi All,


In this test, the Your Groups dropdown is reverted to the original, no titles display. The Groups page now shows (truncated) titles.

Please let me know what you think.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Notification of file updates

 

When a new file is uploaded we are given the option of sending a notice to
members, but not when an existing file is updated. Can we please have that as
an additional option? In one of my groups adding a new file doesn't happen
often, but updates are common and members need to know about them.

Jim Fisher

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moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2019 at 6:42 PM Ken Kloeber via Groups.Io <KWKloeber=aol.com@groups.io> wrote:

no change in the ToC action.  For instance click the ToC tags here 

https://groups.io/g/Catalina30/wiki/Removing-the-Rube-Goldberg-valve-on-a-mk-I


Ok, should really be fixed now. 

Notice also that several images are now vaporized.  Any idea what’s up w/ that?

Not off hand. If you send a link to a wiki page to support, I can take a look.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

***I for one cannot correlate your query with the wiki on this group.***

no wonder, because there’s no ToC on this group’s wiki.


moderated Re: Has there been a change to the wiki "ToC" action?

KWKloeber
 

Mark

no change in the ToC action.  For instance click the ToC tags here 

https://groups.io/g/Catalina30/wiki/Removing-the-Rube-Goldberg-valve-on-a-mk-I

Notice also that several images are now vaporized.  Any idea what’s up w/ that?

thx
ken

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