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moderated Event: Outbound email downtime to upgrade server #downtime - Friday, 6 December 2019 #downtime #cal-invite

main@beta.groups.io Calendar <main@...>
 

Outbound email downtime to upgrade server #downtime

When:
Friday, 6 December 2019
8:00pm to 9:00pm
(UTC-08:00) America/Los Angeles

Description:

We are sending out over twice as much email as we were a month and a half ago, and we need to upgrade our outbound email server. During this time, all aspects of the site will be working except that we will not be sending out any email. All outbound email will be queued up and sent when the machine upgrade is complete.


moderated Re: Moving Topics To Subgroups

Sarah k Alawami
 

I am also in favor of this. I find sometimes topics tend to stray so I would like ot move topics from let's say the main grop to a general chat group and hav ea notice that is emailed to the main group letting them know it's ben moved and how they can subscribe.

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website. This is also our libsyn page as well.

to subscribe to the feed click here

Our telegram channel is also a good place for an announce only in regard to podcasts, contests, etc.

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on youtube, twitch and mixer. Thanks Restream staff.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 4 Dec 2019, at 12:35, Teresa Quintero via Groups.Io wrote:

We would like, when possible, to be able to move non recovery related topics from the main page to subgroups.


moderated Moving Topics To Subgroups

TeresaQ
 

We would like, when possible, to be able to move non recovery related topics from the main page to subgroups.


moderated Re: Suggested change

 

Charlotte - 
“Privacy” is a back burner issue for now. I work with some “sensitive” groups and I remind everyone that nothing posted anywhere on the internet should be considered “private”. If any member of your group receives posts via individual messages or digests, even if you delete that post it lives in posterity. There are things an individual can do to mask their identity (different email, not using identifiers in posts) but you can not assure members of total anonymity. It might be more appropriate to move this query to the GMF https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum/topics

Patti


moderated Re: How to index a Group@groups.io on Google Search?

Duane
 

On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 08:49 AM, Homayon Reinhardt Chaudhry wrote:
But…it has never been indexed by google.
If the information is public (can be read by anyone without logging in), Google will eventually find it.  Doing a Google search for groups.io returned ~166,000,000 hits, though not all from the site.

Duane


moderated Re: Suggested change

Duane
 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:34 PM, Donald Hellen wrote:
On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:03:38 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@...>
wrote:

But there won't be any more YG transfers after Dec 5...

I thought it was Dec 14:
The archives should be on YG until Dec 14, but Mark has set a cutoff of Dec 5 @ 9am Pacific time for requesting transfers.  He may continue to try existing transfers after the cutoff if they haven't been completed.

Duane


moderated How to index a Group@groups.io on Google Search?

Homayon Reinhardt Chaudhry
 

Hello Group

First the good news: Our list was successfully transfered from the yahoo server to groups.io!

But…it has never been indexed by google. When trying to register it manually, Google would return an HTML-verification code to be uploaded and/or integrated into Wiki's head section. The code looks like that: <meta name="google-site-verification" content="p7Xn [her comes a long list with numbers and letters]" />.

Well I tried to insert the meta into the source-code of wiki, so that didn't work and finally there seems to be no way to upload google-html-files to Wiki.

 

When I asked the question some time back in Groups_Help. Shal suggested the "...wiki (and message) editor strips many HTML tags…to exclude HTML constructs that may be exploited by scammers…”. It should be something to be asked in beta as a suggestion that it’ll be permitted.

 

So here I am. Please advise and thx a lot.

Homayon Chaudhry


moderated Thank you!

Rol
 


Hi Mark,

Thanks so much for continuing to let several of us who were frustrated by the Yahoo glitches continue with the process!

On top of everything else my laptop pc was giving up the ghost so yesterday I had to make the 6 hour round trip drive to Albuquerque to spend more hours trying out dozens of laptops before I found one that will work for my needs; then today getting it at least partially up and running.  At this point I am at step 4 in the transfer process!

By the way, on another subject I saw somewhere that you were a pilot or otherwise interested in aviation at some point.  You might be interested to know that I am very involved with many nonprofit pilot and aviation groups, such as volunteer pilot patient transport groups like Angel Flight, LifeLine Pilots, Pilots for Patients, and many more; and other groups providing introductory flights for kids, supporting conservation and environmental support efforts, transporting veterans around to their care facilities, etc. etc.  There are tens of thousands of volunteer pilots in more than 70 such groups doing wonderful work

The umbrella nonprofit support group for them is called the Air Care Alliance www.aircarealliance.org and we are about to roll out our redesigned website and online automated referral system.  I have been considering setting up a discussion group that interfaces well with the site.  After we get through this current situation I will be investigating if groups.io might be just the vehicle for that part of our operations!

Again, thank you - believe me I know how much dedication and hard work it takes to make good things happen!

[ hoping my programmed signature works . . .]

 


moderated Re: Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible?

Donald Hellen
 

Michael,

Read the most recent posts in the YAHOO group manager's forum. There
will be a way but it's not ready yet.

Donald


On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:53:35 -0800, "Michael Ward"
<mjward@hidden-knowledge.com> wrote:

Our small yahoo group (203 members) ran just fine, and nobody noticed that the Owner wasn't active until quite a while after Yahoo deleted his account.

Our one existing Moderator says he doesn't have the power to upgrade transfer@groups.io to Moderator status. Is there any other way to do a transfer? I've already downloaded all the contents from the group, and rebuilt most of it in the new group, but it would be good if the 5500 messages were readable along with the new ones coming in to the groups.io group.

-Mike


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Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)


moderated Re: Suggested change

Donald Hellen
 

Duane . . .


On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 12:03:38 -0800, "Duane" <txpigeon@gmail.com>
wrote:

But there won't be any more YG transfers after Dec 5...

I thought it was Dec 14:

https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/17/20919593/yahoo-groups-new-content-upload-deadline-extra-week

"However, no matter when you post something to a group, it’s still
going to get deleted, as Yahoo is still removing all content hosted on
Groups on December 14th."

Did they change the cutoff or was the reporting in that article
incorrect? I've read that in multiple places but that doesn't mean
those sources are correct, but they are usually so.

In either case it won't affect me as I have my groups archived. I just
want to be sure so I can run my archiver at the last minute to get
whatever the last "recorded" posts are.

Donald



----------------------------------------------------


Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)


moderated Re: Suggested change

Donald Hellen
 

Eric . . .

On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 09:07:19 -0800, "Eric Johnson" <Toller67@att.net>
wrote:

I agree that the crisis is close to over. However, the suggestion remains to cover any future moves be it one a week or a thousand. It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.
If this weren't so close to the deadline the two hours you say it
would take to implement this change might be feasible. Right now Mark
is working night and day with little sleep to get as many groups
transferred. He will run out of time at some point. He has limited
resources and right now the most limited resource is time.

To spend the two hours now might mean several groups will not get
transferred because he spent his time on doing that instead of
transfers. I think there's already enough information available for
people to follow the directions to get their transfer done.

If there is indeed benefit of having that information after Dec 14
(you said there would be some benefits in the future in it "always"
being there, I just don't understand how it would be useful after Dec
14), I'm sure your suggestion could be considered then. Suggesting it
now just means it will be lost in the commotion that's going on right
now. To expect it to be implemented now would mean some transfers
would be sacrificed just to do this.

I think Mark is going to take this transfer stuff right up to the last
possible minute. He will probably continue after Dec 14 as long as he
has group content downloaded already (before it disappears from Yahoo)
so he has something to transfer. Then he will run out of content and
will have to just say he did his best and the rest just didn't make it
in time.

You are in the right group to make the suggestion though. Just come
back after the Dec 14 Yahoo cutoff date and suggest it then with an
explanation of how it will be useful in the future. No sense in making
a case for it now as it will have to be ignored during this crisis.
Mark has already stated that he will not be spending time implementing
suggestions until after the transfers are all completed.

Donald


----------------------------------------------------


Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)


moderated Re: Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible?

Simon Hedges
 

I have a similar issue.  The Owner can’t log in as the owner any more, and the back up moderator wasn’t granted the privs to turn anyone else into a moderator!

 

S.

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Ward
Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 12:54 AM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: [beta] Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible? #transfer

 

Our small yahoo group (203 members) ran just fine, and nobody noticed that the Owner wasn't active until quite a while after Yahoo deleted his account.

Our one existing Moderator says he doesn't have the power to upgrade transfer@groups.io to Moderator status. Is there any other way to do a transfer? I've already downloaded all the contents from the group, and rebuilt most of it in the new group, but it would be good if the 5500 messages were readable along with the new ones coming in to the groups.io group.

-Mike


moderated Re: Suggested change

Charlotte Schoeneman
 

Hi BG,

I don't see a way to have archives/old messages hidden from members.  Is that possible?  I moderate a support group for divorcing moms and encourage people to post fairly deeply, and ask for support on sensitive topics.  It's nice for them to feel like their kids, or their stalk-y ex can't somehow search for those messages

Thanks,
Charlotte


moderated Our yahoo group has no owner; is "easy" transfer possible?

Michael Ward
 

Our small yahoo group (203 members) ran just fine, and nobody noticed that the Owner wasn't active until quite a while after Yahoo deleted his account.

Our one existing Moderator says he doesn't have the power to upgrade transfer@groups.io to Moderator status. Is there any other way to do a transfer? I've already downloaded all the contents from the group, and rebuilt most of it in the new group, but it would be good if the 5500 messages were readable along with the new ones coming in to the groups.io group.

-Mike


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

Ann Kelsey
 

My group completed the transfer set up protocol and everything transferred this afternoon.  We are so grateful that the extension of the deadline and Mark's efforts allowed our group to successfully move from the yahoo platform to groups.io. Our group is small, but is so important to its members as a way of keeping memories and connections alive from a time and place long ago and far away.  Thank you so much.


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Bruce Bowman
 

On Mon, Dec 2, 2019 at 06:40 PM, Leslie Donovan wrote:
Hope you saw this from Bruce. Good luck!
Leslie --- Although no harm was done, I ask that you please refrain from cross-posting my messages (or anyone else's) without permission. 

Thank you,
Bruce


moderated Re: Another Yahoo Groups outage

Donald Hellen
 

Diane . . .


On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 03:55:45 -0800, "Yahoo Archive"
<diane@frenchandlogan.com> wrote:

As regards PGO-2-GIO it is my understanding that, for clearly obvious reasons, this will not go live until the Dec 14th YG cutoff OR it becomes impossible to move a group from YG to groups.io using the existing transfer facility provided by groups.io.

I and a few others are working with beta versions of this program.
(I've worked with the developer before and he's a really nice guy.) It
will be set up to transfer groups' data but I can't say yet if you
uploaded all the messages you archived up until now if you can still
update it if there are more messages up until Dec 14. It will be
limited to a certain number of messages per group depending on the
license terms you pay for. I don't have the $ figures but they were
posted here or in one of the GMF groups.

Yahoo said they were cutting off new things going into the archive in
late October I think but I still see new messages appearing so I run a
catch-up on those groups to keep the messages current, rather than
wait until Dec 14, since we don't know if Yahoo will hiccup at the
wrong time and we won't be able to get those last few messages, ever.

You will need PG Offline to back up your group data (messages, photos,
files). Get that first and get started so that you're ready to upload
them all when the time comes. Then you'll use the message archive and
data you gathered to upload with the new program to a subgroup in your
new group.

Alternatively, you can start a new group and not invite any members
and set yourself to receive no mail, then cut loose and fill up the
group first with the old messages, then open it to new members and set
yourself back to receive new posts. (If you're not set to nomail for
the group or subgroup, expect thousands of messages in your inbox!)

Donald




----------------------------------------------------


Join the Icom group, a general Icom (amateur radio) discussion
group on Groups.io:
https://groups.io/g/ICOM (recently launched, growing slowly)
**also, a new self-help group dedicated to your cat's health:
https://groups.io/g/CatVet (just launched)


moderated Re: Suggested change

Duane
 

On Tue, Dec 3, 2019 at 11:18 AM, Eric Johnson wrote:
It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.
But there won't be any more YG transfers after Dec 5...

Duane


moderated Re: Yahoo Groups transfers on and extended to December 5th

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Hi Patty,

Your post made me think…(I just woke up).

After checking with them, I find both of my cats are agnostic too.  So I guess we’re BOTH “agnostic cat lovers"  ;<)


Best!

WRB

— 



On Dec 3, 2019, at 12:32 AM, Patty Stokes <sandkittens@...> wrote:

Mark is - at minimum - a demigod. Evidence? Yahoo has become a hellscape, so a spark of divinity was needed! Or maybe Mark is Thor, hammering away until Yahoo's servers give up the goods.

My BerlinScholars group transferred tonight, within a couple hours of triggering the transfer (Step 5). Yay!! We got 6/7 of our 35,000 messages transferred.

Would it be reasonable - or greedy - to put in for a second transfer, this time for messages only, in hopes of scooping up some of the missing ~7000 messages from our archive? I don't want to gum up the works for others who are waiting. 

I've seen comments in these forums chastising Yahoo Group owners for not seeing how the wind was blowing years earlier. For sure, we saw the hellish dysfunction but were not aware of an alternative. Many were far from the tech world and busy with other duties: family, work, health problems, crises with kids/marriages/jobs/finances, and other volunteer commitments. I ticked every one of those boxes while serving as sole admin of a large group. Now, other group members have finally stepped up to help moderate my monster group in our hour of need, and for that I'm also grateful. 

I'm incredibly grateful to everyone at Groups.io helping us navigate this transition! (I'm an agnostic cat lover, so if you don't want my kind of blessings, steer clear of felines!) What a wonderful community. THANK YOU.

Warmly,
Patty



moderated Re: Suggested change

Eric Johnson
 

I agree that the crisis is close to over. However, the suggestion remains to cover any future moves be it one a week or a thousand. It would take an hour or two to set this in place and the benefits would always be there.

This is the beta group is it not?
Eric

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