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moderated Re: Notify Members checkboxes #update

 

Mark,

I have changed the |Notify Members| checkbox when uploading files so
that it defaults to being unchecked, as before. I have also added new
|Notify Members| checkboxes when adding/updating wiki pages and when
uploading photos. They default to being unchecked.
I know that this is just a stopgap, but the directions many commenters are pushing make this mechanism unfit for purpose. At least for my needs.

My vision for the notifications overhaul was most fundamentally that I, as a group moderator, would get notification of group activity. Creating / editing content in any group area: all in. I did not anticipate that these notifications would be shared with the entire membership, and with that all the push-back that has caused.

If a member can choose not to notify me, if a group owner can decide not to allow notification of a given type of content, or of any type, then it doesn't suit the needs of a moderator who wants to actually moderate - which requires knowledge of what's being stored in the group.

Two things I think can help.

1) If the user chooses not to Notify Members, or if a Notification's hashtag controls would cause it not to be posted by email, send it to each owner/moderator by email, and/or web/app notification, regardless - subject only to that owner/moderator's Email and Notifications settings.

2) Under the same conditions, send/push it to the owner of the affected content anyway (unless it is they themselves taking the action). The concept here is to follow the precedent of Message editing, where the poster of a message is always informed of any edit. I'd like to see that concept extended to the other content a member may contribute.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Bruce Bowman
 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 07:58 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
This hints at two other things to watch for: Group Guidelines and Monthly Reminder. These particular notifications can only be created by a group moderator, so I don't think they need to obey any group-wide moderation setting when posting (and they haven't, to date).
I'd also be interested to know what plans may be in the works for the integration hashtags (#email, #feed, etc).

Bruce


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

It’s not a bad idea. It’s not as if there’s not already the ability to delete messages from the archives, so it doesn’t violate anything sacred. But this is way off topic.

On Jun 19, 2020, at 5:50 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

So there’s now a no-archive option on topics (and hashtags)?

No, that was just my proposal.

I do think it would fill the bill as a per-notification off switch. But it is a bit of a sharp edged tool that might be confusing if misapplied to ordinary group postings.

Shal


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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

J,

So there’s now a no-archive option on topics (and hashtags)?

No, that was just my proposal.

I do think it would fill the bill as a per-notification off switch. But it is a bit of a sharp edged tool that might be confusing if misapplied to ordinary group postings.

Shal


moderated Re: Minor notification changes #update

 

Chris,

Has this change been reverted? I cannot find any in the *#xxxx-notice*
format now, and I definitely saw them yesterday.
What has been reverted is the default check for the Notify Members box on file uploads. So maybe the notifications just aren't happening in your group now.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25463

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

No, totally. There has to be a way to turn them off, I agree. It’s just a funny way of doing it. (I know Mark has now provided another way.) So there’s now a no-archive option on topics (and hashtags)? Seriously?

On Jun 19, 2020, at 5:35 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

Lol no-archive, no-email. I’ll have ham and eggs but hold the ham and
hold the eggs. 😊
Yup, you get what you deserve: nothing.

But that's precisely what some group owners have said they want with respect to the new notifications.

Shal


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J

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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

J,

Lol no-archive, no-email. I’ll have ham and eggs but hold the ham and
hold the eggs. 😊
Yup, you get what you deserve: nothing.

But that's precisely what some group owners have said they want with respect to the new notifications.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Shal,
Lol no-archive, no-email. I’ll have ham and eggs but hold the ham and hold the eggs. 😊

On Jun 19, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

J,

Shal's crazy-brilliant idea of setting the tags to "moderated," as
well as to "no email," should work for most people meanwhile.
Also for the record, I didn't come up with those. But I have been repeating them. Wish I remembered who deserves due credit.

I did suggest "No Archive" as a new counterpart to "No Email" though.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25029

Shal


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

J,

Shal's crazy-brilliant idea of setting the tags to "moderated," as
well as to "no email," should work for most people meanwhile.
Also for the record, I didn't come up with those. But I have been repeating them. Wish I remembered who deserves due credit.

I did suggest "No Archive" as a new counterpart to "No Email" though.
https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/25029

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

J,

That's odd. Mine are sent monthly but have only the #guidelines
hashtag.
Whoops, right you are.

The #monthly was in the Subject box of the notice's page; so I probably did that.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 04:58 PM, Shal Farley wrote:
Currently (as of 06-01) the monthly group guidelines message has two hashtags: #monthly #guidelines;
That's odd. Mine are sent monthly but have only the #guidelines hashtag.
 
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moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

#cal-invite messages will be moderated. #cal-notice and #cal-reminder
messages will continue to not be moderated even if the group is
moderated. Seems complicated.
The calendar always has been, and looks like it will remain, a problem child. I think it is because it can cause an action at a future date/time, and that action's point is at least blunted, if not defeated, if the action doesn't happen on schedule.

This hints at two other things to watch for: Group Guidelines and Monthly Reminder. These particular notifications can only be created by a group moderator, so I don't think they need to obey any group-wide moderation setting when posting (and they haven't, to date).

Currently (as of 06-01) the monthly group guidelines message has two hashtags: #monthly #guidelines; perhaps that should consolidate to #guidelines-notice. The Monthly Reminder has none; perhaps it should have #monthly-notice. Just to fit the pattern.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 3:07 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I hope you didn't include the cal-xxxx notices in this fix. Group
members won't likely be happy about late event reminders & notices.


#cal-invite messages will be moderated. #cal-notice and #cal-reminder messages will continue to not be moderated even if the group is moderated. Seems complicated.

Mark


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

They all bypass the group setting of moderating all messages.

This should be fixed now.
I hope you didn't include the cal-xxxx notices in this fix. Group members won't likely be happy about late event reminders & notices.

Shal


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 2:18 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

 >> They all bypass the group setting of moderating all messages. ...
 >
 > This should be fixed now.

Ok, now they are held in Pending, but I can't Approve them.

Oof. Sorry, went too fast with the bug fixing....

It should be fixed now. However, existing pending messages still won't be approvable and should be deleted.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: New notifications #update

Chris Jones
 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 02:20 PM, Duane wrote:
I've just discovered a serious problem with these notifications.
Mark; I think I've found another one; the group I moderate uses hashtahgs (very) sparingly to minimise misuse or overuse. Although I remain puzzled about the apparent disappearance of the -notice feature (my #25467 refers) a couple of tests I have conducted suggest that these new "system" hashtags appear in the pick - list of hashtags that can be used by members (and moderators, come to that) and that availability for public use is something that our group would definitely not want; as far as I can see there would be no method of preventing their use by members.

Chris


moderated Re: Daily Summary not being sent to some people #bug #fixed

 

On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:38 PM Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

A suggestion for #wiki-notice

In the body text of the notification include the Reason text (from the
"Write a small message here explaining the edit. (Optional)" box). If any.

Bonus points: include a link to the Compare Revisions page for this
version versus the last one notified. (I've been wanting this in message
edits too).

I've made these changes to the #wiki-notice message.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: New notifications #update

 

Mark,

They all bypass the group setting of moderating all messages. ...
This should be fixed now.
Ok, now they are held in Pending, but I can't Approve them.

Just now when I tried to approve a #wiki-notice by email nothing happened.

Earlier when I tried to approve one by web it ended up "claimed" by me instead. Another moderator also tried and failed to approve it, then deleted it instead.

Shal


moderated Re: GMF archive display format error In Topics view #bug #fixed

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 08:58 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
This has been fixed.
Wow. That was quick. All good now.

Thanks
Andy


moderated Re: GMF archive display format error In Topics view #bug #fixed

 

This has been fixed.

Thanks, Mark

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