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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

I also would stay away from google.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:54 AM, Peter Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete

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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

If course it’s Mark’s decision. Just giving some feedback, and it doesn’t affect me personally anyway.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:47 AM, M K Ramadoss <mkr777@...> wrote:


Only Mark knows the financial side of GIO. GIO has to be a financial viable business. Let's allow Mark to decide what he feels the best. If what is offered by GIO is not satisfactory, the groups can move elsewhere. My 0.02

MKR

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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:40 AM Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA


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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

Regarding the original post:

As a customer I do not see Google groups as a serious competitor to premium GIO. Google is just a better version of the current Yahoo platform with a ton of memory. This isn't a price competition.

Pete


moderated Re: Can't create a freecycle group #bug

 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 8:12 PM Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:
Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so they can move from Yahoo.  It appears that if the word freecycle is in either the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That address is not valid." error.  I know there are over 50 existing groups with freecycle in the group name, so don't understand what the problem could be.


Groups.io has received letters from a law firm apparently representing the Freecycle trademark holder in the UK, stating that a particular group with freecycle in the name is infringing on their trademark. I have not yet asked that group to change their name, but I may have to. To head off any new issues, no more groups with freecycle in their name. Note, I have no idea if the demand is legally valid or not.
 
In addition, another member that has one of those existing groups can't save changes on the settings page that don't involve the title or email address without getting the error.

That should have been fixed a week or two ago.

Thanks,
Mark 


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

M K Ramadoss
 

Only Mark knows the financial side of GIO. GIO has to be a financial viable business. Let's allow Mark to decide what he feels the best. If what is offered by GIO is not satisfactory, the groups can move elsewhere. My 0.02

MKR

Virus-free. www.avg.com


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 9:40 AM Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

Paul,
I don’t disagree with any of that. Premium is great. It’s just that for me, it’s more of a luxury than a need. And I would have to think hard if I hadn’t been grandfathered in at this price.


On Oct 21, 2020, at 7:40 AM, Paul Ohio USA via groups.io <pwberndt@...> wrote:


Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA

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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Paul Ohio USA
 

Hi J,

I started with the premium because of being able to resolve the problems when we transferred to GIO. I, like you, have kept it because my time is worth more than $110/year. I can't count the number of things I've been able to "Fix" when a member accidentally leaves or needs an email change.

Paul, Ohio, USA


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

As I think about it, a relatively inexpensive storage upgrade just for legacy basic groups might be a win-win - say, $10/month for 10GB?


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Virginia Butterfield
 

I like that idea.   I have a bunch of groups and cannot afford to foot the bill for multiple groups.  I also hayte to ask for donations.


Ginny Butterfield
Cranberry Twp, Pa




On 10/20/2020 9:25 PM, txercoupemuseum.org wrote:
Hi Mark,

There’s a number of people/groups already with Groups.io that continue to plead for something between $220/year and the free plan.  My groups can operate just fine within the limitations of the free plan indefinitely, BUT...if it were possible to subscribe JUST for more storage, whether 5 or 10GB, we would do it in heartbeat for, say, $3-4 mo.  

That would allow us greater latitude for posting/filing photos, documents, etc. that otherwise we have to arrange for outside of Groups.io and, to my knowledge Groups.io does not say how to get such storage to “ink” with our Group if such s possible.  

Present options of $0 or $200-220/year need SOMETHING in between.  An “upgrade” of STORAGE ONLY would be relatively simple to offer, and it would allow income from “free” groups.  

If such an option gets you more those kinds of groups, it’s STILL $36-$48 per year per group you’re not getting now from your “subscriber base”.  Couldn’t THAT be a “win-win” situation?

Best!

WRB

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On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of groups/users are most important. But that's not us. 

Thanks,
Mark



moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Peter Cook
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 06:51 PM, Bruce Bowman wrote:
What good is 20 GB if it's limited to message attachments?
That's true... unless you have a legacy basic group, in which case a bump in storage could be crucial. 


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

I wasn’t going to weigh in here because I’m safely ensconced in my legacy premium group. But that’s selfish of me. So I’ll be honest. If I had to pay $20month I’m pretty sure I would downgrade, or at strongly consider it. My group is a volunteer service for people with sickcats. The extra features are something we don’t absolutely need and are just to make things somewhat easier and more enjoyable for me. I would not for a moment consider asking group members for donations. (To anyone who is going to ask, “Why not?” Save your breath, because I’m not going to answer. It is just something I feel strongly about for my group.)

So I think that there may br others like me, how many of them, who knows? who might be willing to go up to $15/month, but for whom $20 is pushing it because the extra features are not really a need. They’re a splurge.

Everybody here knows what a huge groups.io fan I am. This is about agreeing with the feelings of others who’ve posted that it feels like there’s a donut hole here. I have no idea how or if it might affect business. Just another data point. 
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moderated Can't create a freecycle group #bug

Duane
 

Someone on GMF is having problems (re)creating a freecycle group so they can move from Yahoo.  It appears that if the word freecycle is in either the email/name or in the title, it will return a "That address is not valid." error.  I know there are over 50 existing groups with freecycle in the group name, so don't understand what the problem could be.

In addition, another member that has one of those existing groups can't save changes on the settings page that don't involve the title or email address without getting the error.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

txercoupemuseum.org
 

Hi Mark,

There’s a number of people/groups already with Groups.io that continue to plead for something between $220/year and the free plan.  My groups can operate just fine within the limitations of the free plan indefinitely, BUT...if it were possible to subscribe JUST for more storage, whether 5 or 10GB, we would do it in heartbeat for, say, $3-4 mo.  

That would allow us greater latitude for posting/filing photos, documents, etc. that otherwise we have to arrange for outside of Groups.io and, to my knowledge Groups.io does not say how to get such storage to “ink” with our Group if such s possible.  

Present options of $0 or $200-220/year need SOMETHING in between.  An “upgrade” of STORAGE ONLY would be relatively simple to offer, and it would allow income from “free” groups.  

If such an option gets you more those kinds of groups, it’s STILL $36-$48 per year per group you’re not getting now from your “subscriber base”.  Couldn’t THAT be a “win-win” situation?

Best!

WRB

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On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:55 PM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of groups/users are most important. But that's not us. 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

You might have free groups move to a mid-tier but cheaper group, which would be an increase in revenue, but you'd also have a few premium groups that don't need all the features downgrade to the mid-tier group, which would reduce revenue. If you can think of a setup that would encourage free groups to upgrade but not paid groups to downgrade, that'd be a winner.

JohnF


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

 

While I get the rationale behind the current feature+pricing tier, I also agree that a paid "Basic-Enhanced" plan would be beneficial, both short- and long-term; the reality is the jump from free to $220 is too much for certain types of groups, but a middle step may help to not only attract new groups, but also push existing GIO (new since 8/24) Free groups that want but can't afford the Premium, to move to this plan instead, and who knows, after a while some of them may end up upgrading to Premium after all.
 
And I agree with Bruce, reinstating the features into that new plan would be fast to implement and give new Free groups a more-than-a-month taste of Premium but with a 1 GB leash.
 
Cheers,
Christos
 
 


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

There’s possibly another aspect to this that may not have anything to do with the back button. Sometimes, a draft stays I the draft folder even after the message has posted. I noticed a couple of instances this morning but have not yet tried to investigate. I thought I was seeing things at first, but bothe the draft and the posted message were definitely there. I eventually just deleted the draft because the message was there, which was all I cared about by that point. 


On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:42 PM, J_Catlady via groups.io <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

A warning message would be a good stop gap for now. It would have saved me, and no doubt others, a lot of headaches. 



On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:34 PM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:25 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The fact that in some cases drafts are lost if you use the back button I think is pretty bad, unless a warning is issued, which some sites with that problem do.
So, a simple warning message about not using the back button would seem to suffice then.

You don’t expect it in groups.io.
I expect it on any site where I've made some input and knowing that it may happen is more than enough reason for me to just duplicate a tab (or even open a new browser occurrence) and go and do other stuff before coming back to my original tab/page and continuing from where I left off without a problem.

Andy

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moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Bruce Bowman
 

What good is 20 GB if it's limited to message attachments? Most of what I've seen discussed in this context is not insufficient storage, but loss of features, specifically files and photos and calendaring. 

If there's going to be an intermediate between Basic and Premium, I think it should remain at 1 GB of storage but reinstate the other features that were removed on August 24. It's already being supported in legacy Basic anyway...most of the additional coding would be limited to shoehorning it into the pricing structure.

Other options strike me as more long-term and unlikely to be implemented before December 15.

Regards,
Bruce


moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

 

A warning message would be a good stop gap for now. It would have saved me, and no doubt others, a lot of headaches. 



On Oct 20, 2020, at 3:34 PM, Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:25 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The fact that in some cases drafts are lost if you use the back button I think is pretty bad, unless a warning is issued, which some sites with that problem do.
So, a simple warning message about not using the back button would seem to suffice then.

You don’t expect it in groups.io.
I expect it on any site where I've made some input and knowing that it may happen is more than enough reason for me to just duplicate a tab (or even open a new browser occurrence) and go and do other stuff before coming back to my original tab/page and continuing from where I left off without a problem.

Andy

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moderated Re: drafts disappearing - bad #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 11:25 PM, J_Catlady wrote:
The fact that in some cases drafts are lost if you use the back button I think is pretty bad, unless a warning is issued, which some sites with that problem do.
So, a simple warning message about not using the back button would seem to suffice then.

You don’t expect it in groups.io.
I expect it on any site where I've made some input and knowing that it may happen is more than enough reason for me to just duplicate a tab (or even open a new browser occurrence) and go and do other stuff before coming back to my original tab/page and continuing from where I left off without a problem.

Andy


moderated Re: Free to Premium Expanse #suggestion

Donald Hellen
 

Mark . . .

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:55:12 -0700, "Mark Fletcher"
<markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for. Are you saying that the free plan needs to have more storage, so that we'll get more groups (of the kind that will only use our free plan)? Economically, that may work for a business model based on advertising, where absolute numbers of groups/users are most important. But that's not us.
I'm not sure that most of his post explained it well, but I think he
was suggesting a plan between premium and basic. Maybe call it
enhanced (doesn't matter what to call it). Charge perhaps $5/mo for
5GB. Or instead you could make it a 10GB plan for the mid-grade one,
and charge $10. I don't think you need an infinite number of steps
between premium and basic, but I've read many posts elsewhere that
said they'd like to se an "in-between" plan that gives more than basic
but less than premium.

The problem is if you offer such a plan and it turns out it didn't
work out well, do you eliminate the middle tier plan or grandfather
then in and just no longer offer it.

I'm not suggesting an exact price nor how much storage or which
features to offer for how much. The above were just examples.

Donald


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