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moderated Re: #bug Upload folder doesn't upload the folder. #bug

Andy Wedge
 

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 06:13 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
The `Upload Folder` function should be fixed now.
It's interesting that when uploading a folder, I get an activity log entry for every file and subfolder uploaded but when I delete a folder, I just get a single entry about the deleted folder and nothing about the files and subfolders contained within it.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

 

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I now see that this was changed on February 22, 2021 per https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28578.  I'm not sure how this could be a security risk since the bounce would only go to the address it was sent from.  It sure was handy for helping members with problems.
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Just an idea, it would require some (hopefully small) amount of work from Mark. 

Replicate more-or-less the group-level groupname+command@groups.io functionality for the main account level.

If someone emails a blank message to their GIO-munged email address with the +grouplist suffix, and their FROM and (if specified) REPLY-TO addresses match the un-munged (account) address, email back the group list, as plain text with no group links, except maybe any generic sitewide links.

E.g., my account addy is xyz@... , GIO-munged is xyz@... .  I send a blank message From: xyz@... [and if I use it ReplyTo: xyz@... as well) to xyz@... and then receive the reply back at xyz@....

That would allow the info to go out for troubleshooting or for account info and still should be pretty-secure, except of course in the case when someone hijacks an email account or the computer itself but in that case all bets are off anyway, plus I'm sure they would be more interested in stealing and hacking $$$ accounts than finding out what groups the person belongs to.

Plus the functionality/framework could be useful down the road for adding additional email-based account-level settings/setup/reporting (paid or not) capabilities.

Cheers,
Christos


moderated Re: #bug Upload folder doesn't upload the folder. #bug

 

Hi All,

The `Upload Folder` function should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

Rubens
 

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RA| Much better and obvious to have
| an option on the site where the
| person who is logged in can see
| to which groups he/she belong to.

Du| That already exists at (...).
| This was good for those that don't go
| online and only interact via email.


I'm that person. I don't go online
and I interact via email for messages
(for reading and for writing).

But when necessary, then I go to
the each group's website.

But, ok... It's was just a tought.


[ ] Rubens





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moderated Make "follow topic have same catch-up effect regardless of followed method #suggestion #bug

 

I would call this a bug, although that designation may be controversial: Suppose you're set to "following only" and "first message also." If you click on "Follow This Topic" for a topic you weren't following before, you are then sent all the messages from that topic - the system essentially catches you up. But if you follow the topic by means of replying to it, you miss all the  intervening messages.

That just happened to me in Duane's topic about the list of groups. I received his OP and replied to it without having seen all the intervening messages, because I was not yet following it. But after I replied to it, I didn't receive the intervening messages as a catch-up, as I would have if I had clicked "Follow This Topic" instead of replying to it.
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moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

Andy I
 

I wonder where is the discussion that says "this is a security breech".

I can think of reasons why it is not a security breech.  But I can't think of a reason why it is.

Andy


moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

 

I never knew about that but it sounds like a great (if unintentional) feature!


On Mar 4, 2022, at 7:47 AM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

I'm sure this used to work, but it didn't work this morning.  To get a list of all groups that an email address is subscribed to, I could send an email from that address to a non-existent group.  The bounce message would include a list of the subscribed groups.

Thanks,
Duane

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moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 10:26 AM, Rubens wrote:
Much better and obvious to have
an option on the site where the
person who is logged in can see
to which groups he/she belong to.
That already exists at https://groups.io/groups.  This was good for those that don't go online and only interact via email.

Duane


moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

Rubens
 

...
Du| To get a list of all groups that
| an email address is subscribed to,
| I could send an email from that
| address to a non-existent group.
| The bounce message would include
| a list of the subscribed groups.


A bit obscure this method, isn't?...

Much better and obvious to have
an option on the site where the
person who is logged in can see
to which groups he/she belong to.


[ ] Rubens






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moderated Re: Can't get list of groups #bug

Duane
 

On Fri, Mar 4, 2022 at 09:47 AM, Duane wrote:
I'm sure this used to work, but it didn't work this morning.
I now see that this was changed on February 22, 2021 per https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/28578.  I'm not sure how this could be a security risk since the bounce would only go to the address it was sent from.  It sure was handy for helping members with problems.

Duane


moderated Can't get list of groups #bug

Duane
 

I'm sure this used to work, but it didn't work this morning.  To get a list of all groups that an email address is subscribed to, I could send an email from that address to a non-existent group.  The bounce message would include a list of the subscribed groups.

Thanks,
Duane


moderated Re: #bug Upload folder doesn't upload the folder. #bug

Mark Burlingame <kb9tvd@...>
 

Mine were all from a Mac running macOS 12.2.1 (Monterey) and was inconsistent.  Seemed to be more related to the complexity of the upload or possibly number of files.
 
Mark B.


moderated Re: Calendar displays slow #misc

Glenn Glazer
 

On 03/03/2022 13:56, Mark Fletcher wrote:
On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 5:05 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

I've noticed a slow down in the display of calendar events recently. When navigating from one month to the next, it can take several seconds before events are displayed and when they are, sometimes only the first few events in a month are shown and then there is another delay before all events appear. 

I think what's happening here is that you have some events with embedded images in their descriptions, specifically the 'Moto Junkies off road' being one. We don't pull the images out of event descriptions and store them separately on S3, like we do with messages or wiki pages; they're just in the event data itself. So when you bring up the calendar, you end up fetching 5MB of calendar data for each month; I can see how that would slow things down dramatically. 

I will add this to the TODO list, but I'm not sure when it will be done (it'll be a bit of work). 

Thanks,
Mark

As a possible quicker than putting images in S3 solution, perhaps when one scrolls from month to the next, a thread caches the data for the following month.

Best,

Glenn
P.S. I used to have 10 problems, so I tried threading. have Now problems I 11.

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moderated Re: Calendar displays slow #misc

Andy Wedge
 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 09:56 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I think what's happening here is that you have some events with embedded images in their descriptions, specifically the 'Moto Junkies off road' being one. We don't pull the images out of event descriptions and store them separately on S3, like we do with messages or wiki pages; they're just in the event data itself. So when you bring up the calendar, you end up fetching 5MB of calendar data for each month; I can see how that would slow things down dramatically. 
 
I will add this to the TODO list, but I'm not sure when it will be done (it'll be a bit of work). 
OK, That makes sense.  Those pictures were reduced in size too before being included in the description. I'll look to limit the number and size of those in future. The other downside of those images is that we can get multiple copies in the Emailed Photos album each time an Upcoming Events message is created.

Thanks for investigating.

Regards
Andy


moderated Re: Calendar displays slow #misc

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 5:05 AM Andy Wedge <andy_wedge@...> wrote:

I've noticed a slow down in the display of calendar events recently. When navigating from one month to the next, it can take several seconds before events are displayed and when they are, sometimes only the first few events in a month are shown and then there is another delay before all events appear. 

I think what's happening here is that you have some events with embedded images in their descriptions, specifically the 'Moto Junkies off road' being one. We don't pull the images out of event descriptions and store them separately on S3, like we do with messages or wiki pages; they're just in the event data itself. So when you bring up the calendar, you end up fetching 5MB of calendar data for each month; I can see how that would slow things down dramatically. 

I will add this to the TODO list, but I'm not sure when it will be done (it'll be a bit of work). 

Thanks,
Mark


moderated Re: #bug Upload folder doesn't upload the folder. #bug

Marv Waschke
 

Has anyone checked if the behavior depends on the type of file system the folder is uploaded from? That could explain some inconsistency.
Best, Marv


moderated Re: #SUGGESTION Fix Groups so Exchange users don't have to contact Groups individually to fix problems getting group messages #suggestion

 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 10:29 AM Lise Lingo <liselingo@...> wrote:
There are more than 75 million Exchange users so far, according to Microsoft. But Groups asks for individual contacts to fix problems receiving group messages? 

For people who run Exchange themselves (as opposed to using Microsoft's hosted solution), we don't know that they're running it. That's why they have to contact us.

Mark 


moderated Re: #SUGGESTION Fix Groups so Exchange users don't have to contact Groups individually to fix problems getting group messages #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

On 03/03/2022 09:27, Lise Lingo wrote:
There are more than 75 million Exchange users so far, according to Microsoft. But Groups asks for individual contacts to fix problems receiving group messages? 

While that number is large, it is tiny compared to the number of people who don't use Exchange (around 3.25 billion). Rewriting From: headers for  everyone to suit Exchange is creating a problem for most people. It is better in my opinion to have a workaround for the minority than to set a default that impairs more people than it helps.

Best,

Glenn

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moderated Re: #SUGGESTION Fix Groups so Exchange users don't have to contact Groups individually to fix problems getting group messages #suggestion

Duane
 

On Thu, Mar 3, 2022 at 12:29 PM, Lise Lingo wrote:
But Groups asks for individual contacts to fix problems receiving group messages?
Not exactly.  Any of the email services that are known to use Exchange are already on the list, so emails sent to those members are re-written.  If you run your own email server using Exchange, then you may need to notify Groups.io.

Duane


moderated #SUGGESTION Fix Groups so Exchange users don't have to contact Groups individually to fix problems getting group messages #suggestion

Lise Lingo <liselingo@...>
 

There are more than 75 million Exchange users so far, according to Microsoft. But Groups asks for individual contacts to fix problems receiving group messages? 

That is what the Group Managers Forum says:
Exchange

 I Use Exchange And I'm Not Receiving Group Emails

If you use Exchange for your email and you're not receiving group messages, send an email to support@groups.io telling them that you are using Exchange, and they will set it so all group email sent to you will have the From line re-written, which will fix the problem.