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locked allow member to edit title of thread they create, if no replies yet #suggestion

 

It would be convenient to allow someone who starts a new thread to edit the thread title if there are not yet any responses. For example, this morning I forgot to include the #database hashtag in a thread I started, and wished I could have added it a couple of seconds later.
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locked "disable offlist contact" #suggestion

 

This suggestion is to allow any individual member to disallow other members to contact them privately through the "private" mechanism. Of course the member could still be contacted if the person wanting to contact them finds their email address in an email, so this is similar to the fig leaf mechanism: it's hindrance, not a guarantee. But it would at least give other members a heads up that the person prefers not to be contacted offlist.
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locked view-only links to individual rows of a database #suggestion

 

It would be nice if there were handles on view-only, individual rows in a database. That way, each member could include the link to their cat's basic info when they post, possibly even as part of their signature.

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locked log entry for "changed profile name" is still called "changed user name" #bug

 

"User name" was changed to "profile name," but it is still logged as "user name" when added or changed. 

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locked Re: Mark Quesion about the way that time is displayed on posts

Ro
 

Military time would be written as 0037     There would be NO dots.  Not that this has any significance to IO.     ha, back in my hole


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From: beta@groups.io <beta@groups.io> on behalf of ro-esp <ro-esp@...>
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2016 7:12 AM
To: beta@groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] Mark Quesion about the way that time is displayed on posts #question
 
On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:57 am, Nightowl >8# wrote:
 
> I am wondering why on Shal's post #10299, I see the time like this:
> 0.37 a.m. (for 12:37 a.m.) (I believe this is military time)

"Military time"? Looks like some american confusion to me. "0.37"makes perfect sense internationally. It's 37 minutes past midnight.
"12.37 AM" or "12.00 AM (or PM)" does not make any sense at all.

In shortwave-land, some broadcasts even go out at "27.00 UTC". This means the broadcast (from europe) is sent at three in the night/morning, but for the listener in the americas it's still the previous day.

That aside, it would be nice if we chould choose UTC (which is pretty much the same as GMT), in the 24-hour format, instead of PDT. Maybe with local time shown beside it.
                                                         groetjes, Ronaldo
                                        



locked Re: Mark Quesion about the way that time is displayed on posts

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 12:57 am, Nightowl >8# wrote:

I am wondering why on Shal's post #10299, I see the time like this:
0.37 a.m. (for 12:37 a.m.) (I believe this is military time)
"Military time"? Looks like some american confusion to me. "0.37"makes perfect sense internationally. It's 37 minutes past midnight.
"12.37 AM" or "12.00 AM (or PM)" does not make any sense at all.

In shortwave-land, some broadcasts even go out at "27.00 UTC". This means the broadcast (from europe) is sent at three in the night/morning, but for the listener in the americas it's still the previous day.

That aside, it would be nice if we chould choose UTC (which is pretty much the same as GMT), in the 24-hour format, instead of PDT. Maybe with local time shown beside it.
groetjes, Ronaldo




Yet on Catlady's post #10300, I see time displayed like this:
2:28 a.m.

And on my own I just posted, #10301, I see time displayed like this:
2:52 a.m.

Is this a setting each member chooses to use, or can I set them all to be
consistent so I see them all the same?

Thanks,

Brenda


locked Re: Message # and back/forth arrows appear 2 x on desktop in single message view #suggestion

Maria
 

Then I wonder if in single view the blue message # can be embedded into the link icon?

We see the message # 3 x....

It's too much  - and the message content area would look much cleaner and better, as it does on mobile.

Maria


locked Re: Digest feature

Judy F.
 

Shal, thanks for the info.  I hear what you are saying, but I still feel that the User ID should appear somewhere in the Index (Topic List) so you can see who sent the message. 

Now from this point on I will only be clicking the Enter button on the keyboard once.

Thank you,

Judy F.

SW Florida - USA

As I am composing this note after Thank you, there is a blank space after Thank you, Judy F. and SW Florida - USA  I don't want a blank after Judy F.


locked Re: Infinite scroll

 

Suggestion: Could this be implemented for databases as well? Would be very convenient.
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locked Re: Word wrap not working on Desktop - Internet Explorer?

 

John P,

I think this might be an IE problem again....

Word wrap is now truncating words in weird places with the remainder of
the word appearing on the next line. For example, the word "beings"
might have "be" appearing at the end of one line, then "ings" appears at
the start of the next line.
Interesting. I see that too in IE 11. Pretty clumsy, even cutting words as short as "the" into "t" and "he".

For contrast, in Firefox and Edge I'm seeing word wrap with automatic hyphenation for breaking longer words. Very nice.

All of the above desktop on Win10 Pro 64-bit, up to date on patches, in case any of that matters.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked add top arrows to page through database #suggestion

 

It would be convenient to be able to page through a database without having to scroll to the bottom of pages to click on the arrows. Having arrows at the top as well, as exist in the message list, would be great.
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locked Re: Message # and back/forth arrows appear 2 x on desktop in single message view #suggestion

 

I realized the convenience of both just recently, when I noticed that the top arrows were missing for databases. This means you can't easily get to pages of a table past page 1 without laboriously paging through each page. I'm about to write a suggestion that the top buttons also be included for databases. The bottom arrows are needed for the opposite reason: when you get to the bottom of a page and want to go to the next one, you don't want to be forced to go back to the top of the page.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@gmail.com> wrote:

Maria,

I'm wondering why the message # with the back/forth arrows appears twice
on single message views?

You see it on the top of the message and on the bottom.
I like having them both places.

The top is convenient when skimming through short messages - the buttons stay relatively put and you can just keep your mouse still while clicking.

The bottom is convenient when you've scrolled down a long message and now you want to go on. It saves the extra step of popping to the top again. I'll admit it seems a bit repetitive with shorter messages, but then there's nothing else to be down in the lower right corner so I don't find it objectionable.

(My comments pertain to desktop rather than mobile use.)


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum



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locked Re: Message # and back/forth arrows appear 2 x on desktop in single message view #suggestion

 

Maria,

I'm wondering why the message # with the back/forth arrows appears twice
on single message views?

You see it on the top of the message and on the bottom.
I like having them both places.

The top is convenient when skimming through short messages - the buttons stay relatively put and you can just keep your mouse still while clicking.

The bottom is convenient when you've scrolled down a long message and now you want to go on. It saves the extra step of popping to the top again. I'll admit it seems a bit repetitive with shorter messages, but then there's nothing else to be down in the lower right corner so I don't find it objectionable.

(My comments pertain to desktop rather than mobile use.)


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Digest feature

 

Judy F.,

Thanks Shal, when you talk about expander I'm assuming that mean when
the line is clicked, it will show who sent the 'threads'? I guess to me
a thread is a message to the original message.
In the Groups.io context a "thread" is a list of messages. Starting with the first post with a new subject line, or which isn't a reply to a prior message, and including all the replies to that message and to the others in the thread.

So in a Groups.io digest you receive a "tail" of each thread, starting with the first message after your last digest.

And in the index (aka Topic List) at the start of a Groups.io digest, each row represents one thread-tail. You may notice a number in parenthesis at the end of some of them - that's a count of how many individual messages for that thread in this digest.

I just think that the User ID should show no matter how it is set up.
This is why I suggested that an expander or hover text or something would be needed: a given line in the index might represent a dozen messages by as many different senders.

Maybe I am missing something since I have read messages, but not
actually gone to the site to try things until now.
Mostly I think you need to be looking at a digest in order to understand this, and try clicking the index items to see where they take you in the body of the digest.

Oh, I guess I'm assuming you're set to receive "full featured" digests - in plain text there are no links. It has been a while since I've looked at a plain-text digest.

Also, what am I doing wrong that causes the extra blank line when I
click enter? I'm referring to the extra space between each of these
lines.
In your message I'm only seeing an extra line after your first paragraph, and I see it in my email client and on site. So I'm not sure what you're seeing.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Message signatures when viewing the archives

 

Mark,

The issue is message signatures, and whether signatures should be
displayed when viewing the archives.
As mentioned in the older thread, I say definitely yes when in "Single View".

My feeling is that, especially when viewing a thread with a couple of
people responding to each other, that seeing the same signatures over
and over is not a good experience.
I don't have as strong an opinion about it in Thread View.

But perhaps there's something else that could be done instead. Maybe I
extract signatures and display a link next to a person's name that when
clicked pops up a dialog box with the signature?
In thread view you could extract the sig and put it as hover text over some "sig icon' at the bottom of the message. Alas, I didn't see a good candidate at Font Awesome, I was thinking about something that looks like a fountain pen tip with a bit of inkline extending from it.

A geeky icon would be "-- " with an outline around it. About the size of the elipses button, but not blue (because I want it to be hover, not click).

Speaking of which, please, if possible use a hover text, not a dialog (there's no "dialog" here, just an info display). I already hate that I have to click on "liked this" notice and then dismiss the dialog just to see who liked something.

Ok, it is better than I thought. I just discovered I can dismiss the dialog without moving between clicks. Still, the pop-up that dims the rest of the page feels too modal and disruptive when I'm just reading messages.

This is similar to JohnF's idea (#10456), but without the extra complication of showing each member's sig the first time and collapsing it on the second and later occurrences.

Shal


locked Re: signature included in ellipses text when top-posting #bug

 

I think Mark wants to keep these topics separate, and I understand that. I think the ellipses issue *is* separate from "how many" sigs should appear onsite. I alone thought that they were connected, because I misunderstood and thought that perhaps Mark *intentionally* collapsed the auto email sig into the ellipses, causing them not to appear on site. I don't now think that's intentional, and I think it needs to be solved, and THEN separately the other issue (when do we want sigs to appear on site) can be figured out.

It seems to me that offering a choice akin to gmail's auto sig choice ("place sig above or below quoted message") might be a good idea. Anyone who picks "above" would be in the clear as far as their email sig appearing onlist in their posts. However, anyone who chooses "below" would have to be made to understand that their sig would get swept away into the ellipses. So all things considered, I would not make this an option and just put the sig directly below the reply. I don't know how many people respond inline when responding via email to emails. I certainly never do. So this doesn't seem like a great risk.

You could still do the sigs either way for posts via the web, but it might be better to be consistent and just put them directly below the response there as well.
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locked Re: signature included in ellipses text when top-posting #bug

 

Mark,

Hmm. What I've been working towards is to actually collapse all
signatures in messages so that none of them show up in the archives,
regardless of where the message came from. I think the repetitive text
of signatures bloats the page when viewing a thread and adds nothing.
That might be ok for Thread View, but in Single View I feel much more strongly that the signature accompanying the message ought to be shown, even when quoted material is hidden under the ellipses button.

And yes, regardless of whether the message (and its sig) was composed on site or via email.

Ideally that would work regardless of whether the sig is above or below the quoted material, but I realize that it may be more difficult to deal with the case of the sig below.

Shal

https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: signature included in ellipses text when top-posting #bug

 

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 07:07 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I forgot about the "Use Signature For Email Posting" option

That is the whole subject of the problem I have been trying to describe!!! The auto email signature never appears if the person top posts, because it gets swept into the ellipses.

That's why this problem is related to the other one about whether sigs should appear in the onlist posts (aka archives). When Mark said he was trying to wipe out sigs in the archives, I thought maybe he was *intentionally* sweeping the email sigs into the ellipses. And when Duane responded (in *that* separate thread) that the sigs should be pulled up and placed directly below the reply, I realized that it would also solve the problem of email sigs disappearing into ellipses.

I'm not sure any of this is getting through. It is difficult to explain in these emails, with everyone (seemingly) talking about something different. There is posting via email vs. posting via web, and then reading via email vs. reading via the web. The problem I'm describing, or trying to describe, is when the reply is posted via email, and then read on the web. In that case, the signature disappears. You might as well do away with auto e sigs as they stand, because they never show up unless the person is sending a brand new post, or unless they meticulously clip (which most of my group members, at least, never do). 

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locked Re: signature included in ellipses text when top-posting #bug

 

J,

I meant that the email *user* (typo I didn't bother to correct) has no
control over where *Groups.io* puts the signature (and nothing to do
with the email auto sig).
Oh, right. I forgot about the "Use Signature For Email Posting" option.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Who approved the message? #suggestion

 

On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 06:20 pm, J_catlady wrote:
I like the consideration shown members by sending posts in need of editing back to them to do it themselves. I've done that on occasion,

Actually, in retrospect, although it's not a matter of policy in our group, I'm pretty sure I've done what you do nearly 100% of the time I've wanted to reject a message (unless it's something like redacting a vet name or other simple matter). I do edit posts, but only from unmoderated users after they've already been posted, because there's no alternative in that case. When someone is on moderation (possibly because they're NuM), I usually don't edit their posts but just (gently) give them a chance to rewrite. 
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