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Re: Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Andy I
 

FWIW, restrictions on 'delete' would have to include 'update' too.

Andy I


Re: Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 03:40 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
They are the owner of a subgroup, but they deleted files in main. I think, however, the more likely etiology is that some of these files were ported over from Yahoo! and so may have no owner or incorrect permission bits.
It is certainly possible that files of that age may well have been orphaned by virtue of their originators no longer being group members. 

Are there any files of that sort left to enable some further investigation to be carried out? It could just be that there is a long - concealed bug that gives sub - group managers some control over main group features, but it may be hard to find if all the old files have already vanished. 

FWIW I have trawled through a number of groups where I have no status beyond "member" and the only authority I could find for myself was the ability to report a file; no other powers were available!

As far as I can see your original request is actually unnecessary in order to prevent unauthorised deletions and as already stated I believe preventing members from deleting their own files is wrong.

Chris  


Re: Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 



On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 7:48 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 02:44 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
someone deleted files they didn't post.
Then that someone must have been an Owner / Moderator, unless a bug crept in somewhere. 

Chris

They are the owner of a subgroup, but they deleted files in main. I think, however, the more likely etiology is that some of these files were ported over from Yahoo! and so may have no owner or incorrect permission bits.

Best,

Glenn 


Re: Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 02:44 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
someone deleted files they didn't post.
Then that someone must have been an Owner / Moderator, unless a bug crept in somewhere. 

Chris


Re: Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 



On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 7:39 AM Chris Jones via groups.io <chrisjones12=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 02:32 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
We want to allow group members to add to the archive but not delete their and in particular, other people's files.
Please see my post on GMF about this. Members must continue to be allowed to delete their own files, and they cannot delete other people's files anyway. 

Chris 

And as I pointed out there, "must" depends on the nature of the group and no, someone deleted files they didn't post. In particular to the first point, things like minutes, budgets, logos and other documents are property of the organization, regardless of who creates or uploads them.

Best,

Glenn ._,_


Re: Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Chris Jones
 

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 02:32 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
We want to allow group members to add to the archive but not delete their and in particular, other people's files.
Please see my post on GMF about this. Members must continue to be allowed to delete their own files, and they cannot delete other people's files anyway. 

Chris 


Have file deletion be a separate permission from upload #suggestion

Glenn Glazer
 

We want to allow group members to add to the archive but not delete their and in particular, other people's files.

Thanks,

Glenn


Re: Double quotes showing up as raw html in daily summary subject lines #bug

Marv Waschke
 

The message I saw it in was Duane's suggestion sent on 19 March.

"Report" button on group home page

On the web, the message looks fine. Unfortunately, I delete daily summaries as soon as I finish reading them and I can't find the original summary in my trash. I viewed it in the gmail web client on Firefox. The next time I see the issue, I'll be more careful about preserving the record and send it in.
Best, Marv


Re: Double quotes showing up as raw html in daily summary subject lines #bug

 

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:26 PM Marv Waschke <marvwaschke@...> wrote:
Not a big deal, but unsightly. My guess is this started with the internationalization initiative. There may be others besides "&#34".

I'm not able to reproduce this. Can you double check that the original message didn't have that as its' subject line?

Thanks,
Mark 


Double quotes showing up as raw html in daily summary subject lines #bug

Marv Waschke
 

Not a big deal, but unsightly. My guess is this started with the internationalization initiative. There may be others besides "&#34".
Best, Marv


Re: Block dislallowed file uploads on attempts #suggestion

 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 9:35 AM J_Catlady <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:
On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 09:24 AM, Duane wrote:
The Upload button exists in the sub-folder, though it doesn't actually do anything (except giving the appearance of allowing an upload), but not in the main folder.
Ok re-reading more slowly. I see  you're agreeing with me. It's not that the folder "was set to allow anyone to upload." It doesn't actually allow it.
So all that needs to be fixed is graying out the upload button for folders as well as files.
 
This has been fixed.

Thanks,
Mark 


Re: Unsubscribe email confirmation bounces #bug

Charlie McB
 

Success! Thank you.


Re: Block dislallowed file uploads on attempts #suggestion

 

Duane,
Thanks for the ingenious workaround but it would be totally impractical in my group. There are hundreds, if not thousands, of folders.


On Mar 19, 2023, at 4:47 PM, Duane <txpigeon@...> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:35 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
So all that needs to be fixed is graying out the upload button for folders as well as files.
I tried another combination.  Uploads not allowed as before, but created the folder so that only mods and I can upload.  With that combination, the Upload button doesn't appear for other members.  Since you're not allowing others to upload, recreating the folders with that setting should make the button go away, preventing further confusion with your members.  (I didn't see a way to change the behavior of the folder after creation, so recreating would be the only way to change it.)

Duane

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Re: Block dislallowed file uploads on attempts #suggestion

Duane
 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 11:35 AM, J_Catlady wrote:
So all that needs to be fixed is graying out the upload button for folders as well as files.
I tried another combination.  Uploads not allowed as before, but created the folder so that only mods and I can upload.  With that combination, the Upload button doesn't appear for other members.  Since you're not allowing others to upload, recreating the folders with that setting should make the button go away, preventing further confusion with your members.  (I didn't see a way to change the behavior of the folder after creation, so recreating would be the only way to change it.)

Duane


Re: Unsubscribe email confirmation bounces #bug

 

Hello,

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 2:15 PM Charlie McB <charlie.register@...> wrote:
I'm unable to unsubscribe from a group via email (i.e.: message to GROUP+unsubscribe@groups.io).  I get the expected confirmation message saying "please just reply to this email and you will be unsubscribed".  My reply bounces with "510 The group 'unsubscribe+7745631485134055882+7531975' does not exist". The group name is "dukeforestneighbors". 

This should be fixed now.

Thanks,
Mark 


Unsubscribe email confirmation bounces #bug

Charlie McB
 

I'm unable to unsubscribe from a group via email (i.e.: message to GROUP+unsubscribe@groups.io).  I get the expected confirmation message saying "please just reply to this email and you will be unsubscribed".  My reply bounces with "510 The group 'unsubscribe+7745631485134055882+7531975' does not exist". The group name is "dukeforestneighbors". 


Re: "Report" button on group home page #suggestion

Dave Wade
 

Folks,

I would say that perhaps, in cases where the group owner has abandoned the group, perhaps some process so the membrs can recover it

Dave Wade

 

From: main@beta.groups.io <main@beta.groups.io> On Behalf Of Duane
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 5:24 PM
To: main@beta.groups.io
Subject: Re: [beta] "Report" button on group home page #suggestion

 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 12:07 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:

He suggested deletion if the group owner didn't respond in 30 days. No elaborate defense required. If someone reports a group of yours respond and that's the end of it.

That's what I was thinking, but didn't quite say.  I think this could be automated fairly easily.  Get a report, send an email;  no reply - delete, any reply - ignore.

As far as 'placeholder' groups, those should really be set up as test groups that aren't in the directory, so not much chance that someone would report them.  I've got a couple myself.

A couple of possible limitations - only have the button on groups with public archives or only visible to members on those with private archives.

Duane


Re: "Report" button on group home page #suggestion

 

But as long as Duane opened the door (as they say in the legal dramas;), it seems that adding such a feature might actually increase, rather decrease, “operating expenses,” and to significant benefit.


On Mar 19, 2023, at 11:53 AM, J_Catlady via groups.io <JanetOliviaCatlady@...> wrote:

The original suggestion specifically referred only to reducing operating expenses. So I agree with Pete that although the intentions were surely good, this seems a bit inappropriate for any one of us to suggest to Mark.


On Mar 19, 2023, at 11:46 AM, Pete Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 02:40 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
Hmm, that wasn't the intent of the proposal as I understood it, but rather to reduce the amount of noise users would have to search through.
Ah. That wasn't my takeaway but perhaps I read it wrong.

Pete

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: "Report" button on group home page #suggestion

 

The original suggestion specifically referred only to reducing operating expenses. So I agree with Pete that although the intentions were surely good, this seems a bit inappropriate for any one of us to suggest to Mark.


On Mar 19, 2023, at 11:46 AM, Pete Cook <peterscottcook@...> wrote:

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 02:40 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
Hmm, that wasn't the intent of the proposal as I understood it, but rather to reduce the amount of noise users would have to search through.
Ah. That wasn't my takeaway but perhaps I read it wrong.

Pete

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author, especially the fishy ones.
My humanity is bound up in yours, for we can only be human together. - Desmond Tutu


Re: "Report" button on group home page #suggestion

Pete Cook
 

On Sun, Mar 19, 2023 at 02:40 PM, Glenn Glazer wrote:
Hmm, that wasn't the intent of the proposal as I understood it, but rather to reduce the amount of noise users would have to search through.
Ah. That wasn't my takeaway but perhaps I read it wrong.

Pete