Changes to the site this week:

• DOCS: Updates from Nina.
• INTERNAL: More work on converting templates to quicktemplate.
• CHANGE: The RSVPed Only button in the calendar will no longer show events you've RSVPed no to.
• CHANGE: Moved the Discard button in the New Topic and Reply pages to the right side of the screen.
• BUGFIX: Time column search results in a database would not display the correct time.
• BUGFIX: After updating a moderator note on a past member, you were redirected incorrectly to the Members page.
• NEW: Added a confirmation dialog when saving a photo album edit and moved the Notify Members checkbox into it, for hobgoblins.
• CHANGE: Revamped the groups search page to propagate the search term when filtering the results.
• BUGFIX: Unchecking the Cover Photo checkbox when editing a photo did nothing.
• CHANGE: Removed the timezone line when hovering over an event in the calendar. The time in that display is in the user's timezone, and showing the (possibly different) event timezone is confusing/wrong.
• INTERNAL: Made it easier to test specific webservers.
• SYSADMIN: Updated all machines.

Take care everyone.

Mark

Chris wrote: "The above was taken while I was writing this message; note that the 2 right hand "unselected" tabs use a white background for the envelope; the icon in the left hand one (and "this" tab if I select a different one) are transparent making the icon hard to see.

Quite what triggers the difference is a complete mystery to me."

And in Chrome, the active tab (when crowded) only contains an X (close tab indicia). That makes sense, since you have the whole page to look at.

At the [GMF] group I was advised to hashtag this as a #suggestion, but it doesn't seem to be getting appropriate attention. I'll be adding the #bug hashtag to raise its visibility.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 03:26 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

- Only the person 'on the hook' to pay for the group should be able to change the group plan.

- If you want to set yourself as the person paying for the group, we need a credit card. That's how it works when you initially upgrade your group. If we don't have a credit card, we can't charge you

I do see the logic here, though it may need to be tweaked a little.  I believe that the group we were discussing on GMF wanted to downgrade to Basic, but the owner had died.  First, the 'new' owner removed the member, but wasn't sure that would keep the card from being charged.  There was a flurry of activity to be sure the credit card he used was canceled, even though his widow was using the same card.  The 'new' owner couldn't understand why he needed to enter CC information to downgrade.  All worked out okay though.  He entered the CC, did the downgrade, and removed the CC.  Now we should be prepared with the correct information if/when it happens again.

Thanks,
Duane

And now I can't reproduce this. Sorry. I could have SWORN!!! :-)
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2020 at 12:25 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

This is great (sort of;). Is it possible to have that at the top of the individual message page as well? That would be closer to what I was hoping for at the beginning, where Liking a message would cause you to follow the topic. You still can't do anything with the message that causes you to follow its topic except reply to it (assuming you're on auto-follow replies). You still have to go outside of the message itself to create a follow. Call me greedy...

Done.

Mark,
I wanted to follow a topic from the individual message page today and did not see "follow this topic" there. I had to go to "see all messages in this topic" and go to the top of that page. Did I miss something?
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On Fri, Aug 28, 2020 at 09:46 PM, Mark Fletcher wrote:

The RSVP Only button in the Calendar

in calendar format view, still displays RSVPs that you have set to Will Not Attend. "RSVP Only" should only show Will Attend and Not Sure?

This group
https://groups.io/g/IMDCD/topics
shows "1 topic" on the home page but there are three topics. Before the addition of two topics, it was showing "-2" topics.
This bug (negative topic count) was mentioned years ago and I don't remember what happened with it, but it's evidently still around.
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On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 03:57 AM, Laurence Marks wrote:

This picture shows the problem and also shows how well white would work.

Is there an SI Unit for serious weirdness? If not then perhaps there ought to be.

In doing "other stuff" on a couple of occasions I have finished up with 4 Groups.io tabs open. Now look at this screenshot:


The above was taken while I was writing this message; note that the 2 right hand "unselected" tabs use a white background for the envelope; the icon in the left hand one (and "this" tab if I select a different one) are transparent making the icon hard to see.

Quite what triggers the difference is a complete mystery to me.

Chris

The email is entitled "Confirm your groups.io subscription." If you or anybody else doesn't want to that a "confirmation email," then Houston, we have a problem. :-) Granted they're not confirming the account itself. But the email is identica in every way to the "confirmation email" they do receive upon applying to their first groups.io group.
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Duane,
Possibly a matter of semantics. Yes, that's what I'm referring to, and they need to respond to it. They receive an email asking them to "confirm" that they want to join the group. The group/mods are not made aware of the application until after the "confirmation" or whatever you want to call it.
Perhaps the language needs to be sorted out as well.
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On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 09:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

Case 1: member with an existing gio account applies via email --> mod does NOT receive the pending notice unftil after the member confirms

If that address already has an account, it should never receive a confirmation email.  Are you possibly referring to the email to verify that they want to join the group?

Duane

On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 07:20 AM, J_Catlady wrote:

Case 2: person without an existing gio account applies via the web --> mod DOES receive the pending notice before the member confirms, and the member goes in with an NC badge (note: this allows a mod to "resend confirmation notice" to the person, unlike in case 1)

should read as corrected above ^^^
 
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There's some inconsistency in the sequence in which mods receive a pending member notice relative to when (before or after) the member confirms. I don't know if some of the inconsistency is intentional or inadvertent and wanted to get a handle on it and discuss what we actually want to happen, vs what happens now, if unintentional.

Case 1: member with an existing gio account applies via email --> mod does NOT receive the pending notice unftil after the member confirms
(Possibly this is intentional?)

Case 2: person without an existing gio account applies via the web --> mod DOES receive the pending notice, and the member goes in with an NC badge (note: this allows a mod to "resend confirmation notice" to the person, unlike in case 1)

Case 3: person withot an existing gio account applies via email --> I have not tested this and don't know what happens in this case, or should

The advantage I see of mods receiving the pending notice before the person confirms, regardless of the existence or nonexistence of a gio account, is that the mod can resend the confirmation message. Also, they are at least made aware of the application to the group. In the case, or cases, where mods don't receive the pending notice until after confirmation, neither of those is the case. I would prefer to be informed whenever someone applies to my group, even before they confirm, not only when they happen to apply via email and have no existing gio account, but in all cases.

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Mark -- I was using one of my email addresses for system testing of an inquiry from some folks in GMF (or Group_Help, not sure which). In the course of doing so, I deleted and re-created that account a couple of times.

This morning, that address is no longer subscribed to my test group; but when I attempt to send it an invitation, I get an error message that it is "already subscribed." When I post a message to the group, that address does not receive the post; and when I attempt to log in under that address using "email me a link," the email never arrives. When I send a +subscribe message from that address to another group I have, nothing comes back.

I wish I could provide the exact sequence on my end that led to this problem, but I cannot reconstruct that a day later. Sorry. Wondering now if you witnessed this activity and implemented a system-wide ban on the address. Please contact me off-list if you need the group name and email address.

FYI,
Bruce

Based on your (Mark's) reply at https://beta.groups.io/g/main/message/27017 I've done a little further checking (with assistance from Shal).  It turns out that if anyone has made a payment for a group, none of the other owners can see the View/Change Plan page without entering a CC number to set themselves as payor, removing the original payor.  Until a payment is made, any owner can see the page.

Thanks,
Duane

I think Mark has been at work!  I now see a Ban Sender button at the bottom of the offending emails.  I am sure it was not there before but I could be wrong.

Anyway...... Thanks Mark for all the wonderful work you do looking after all of our grievances and petty problems.

Pamela

Unfortunately - or fortunately (however you look at it) - our group is a Charity.  Although it is privately listed on groups.io,  I get a lot of enquiries from 'word of mouth' sources from individuals offering support but not wanting to join the group.

Catch22 situation

Pamela