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locked Re: Reminder for "Following Only" Digest/Email Recipients that there are more/new topics?

ro-esp
 

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 05:47 am, HR Tech wrote:

Maybe if the digest is for someone who is "following only" or similar, it
could say:

"This is a digest for xxx @groups.io. There are xxx new topics in your group.
Follow New Threads and Hashtags, Change Your Subscription"
I don't think anyone cares to be told how many new threads there are. You'd want to be notified about their *subjectlines*

(where "follow new threads/hashtags" would link to "all messages" and "new" refers to in past 24 hours")
It should have clickable links to the threads you want rather than to "all messages".

As to the "24 hours".. not everybody gets their digest daily. I'm thinking the list should include the new topics since the previous digest (maybe even those since the digest before that), or after 3.5 or 4 days. Whichever comes first.

or in an individual email:

"You are following this thread/hashtag on xxx @ groups.io. Change Your
Subscription, Follow New Threads and Hashtags."
I think people who choose a digest don't want extra individual mails. I think the list of new topics should be included in the digest one gets anyway, or separately after 3.5 or 4 days of not getting any digests at all.

it sounds like a lot of programming to me, but do you understand where I'm coming from?

groetjes, Ronaldo



Or maybe there can be a section at the bottom of the messages followed - but
before the footer - that lists linkified titles only of all new topics in the
past 24 hours. A "More recent topics: Please click here to follow them"
section that brings you to the "all messages" section where you can read
and/or start to follow them.

Maria


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

p.s. It's hard to understand what the problem with partial matches could be. Does there need to be a space after the search term in the message??? Why does "meeting" match in a message that says "The meeting is at 2:00" but "meeti" not match?
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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Mark,

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 03:54 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:

Does Yahoo search do true partial matching of arbitrary length queries?

I don't know about "arbitrary length," but I just tried it one of the few yahoo groups I'm still in, for various words with between about 5 and 15 letters, and it did produce the matches.

What about the approximate matches? That's my main gripe. In combination with no partial matches, what we're getting is (a) no matches for strings (parts of words) that ARE actually contained in messages and on top of that, (b) matches for strings that ARE NOT contained in the search term! It's a double whammy! Is there at least the possibility of making search terms in quotation marks return only exact matches? Isn't that standard, or am I just really behind the times? Is that also a problem with the search software? Yes, maybe you either need to hire these guys or (better yet?) use different software...

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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

J,

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 2:32 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Here's a little thing to complain about: entering only part of a word brings up no results. For example, if there are messages with the term "supercalafragilistic," that word works fine as a search term. But "supercala" brings up nothing. Etc. I tried this for a bunch of words - "messa" instead of "message," "wate" instead of "water," etc.

Shal brought this up as an issue with activity search as well. It's not a bug in that it's doing what it was programmed to do. Doing partial matches is a tricky thing. Does Yahoo search do true partial matching of arbitrary length queries? I'd be shocked if they do. It's a question of storage space and processing required. 

That said, it definitely needs to happen for at least some things. Unfortunately, the software I use for search, ElasticSearch, has somewhat impenetrable documentation and despite a few hours playing with it, I haven't found the right incantation to get partial searches working yet. I'll most likely have to hire them to help me figure things out (which is their business model.... hmm, now I think I understand the bad documentation.....). All this is to say that: it's a big project, it's important, but it won't happen right away.
 
In search results, thread matches now always display message count badges, even for threads of one message. 

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Here's a little thing to complain about: entering only part of a word brings up no results. For example, if there are messages with the term "supercalafragilistic," that word works fine as a search term. But "supercala" brings up nothing. Etc. I tried this for a bunch of words - "messa" instead of "message," "wate" instead of "water," etc.

I think this is wrong (and my guess is that it's a simple implementation bug).

If intentional policy and not a simple glitch, I think requiring whole words in order to register a match is especially contradictory or inconsistent, in light of the policy of returning highly approximate (rather than just exact) matches in general.

I think both should be eliminated/fixed.

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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

Just doing a cursory check so far. Trying to find something to complain about and having a *really hard time*:-) But here's what I would say so far:

1. The search still returns approximate results. For example, I did a search on the word "disabled" and also got all messages containing the word "disability." I was specifically looking for that one particular word. Even if I put it in quotation marks, I get back all the other stuff. I understand my issue is not specifically related to the new version of search, but I am taking the opportunity to bump it up because I have found it very annoying. WHY can't I get back all messages, and only all messages, containing the exact term I am looking for?

2. After collapsing, threads with only one message get no number after their titles. I think they should get a "1" to make it very clear. I realize that this, too, is not related to the new version of search (or to search at all), but rather to the way threads are displayed in general. But I find it disconcerting in the context of search (and not otherwise) not to specifically have a number displayed for every thread, even if that number is "1."

I am still trying hard to find other things to complain about. Nice job.;) 

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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 5:22 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Also: what happened to the setting for fig leafs? I thought that was one you'd decided to implement. 


It'll happen, just haven't gotten to it yet. Nobody mentioned it when I put out my mid-year update. 

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:16 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
p.s. If all I care about it testing the new search function, can I do that from test version on a laptop? That's all I really need to know. Thanks. :-)

Yep. You want to use the test version.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Feedback on New Desktop Version:

 

On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 10:05 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I just noticed what I think is a bug with regard to date/time display.  In my Profile I have set my Time Display to "Absolute" which shows, as its example, "Jan 13, 2016, 4:47pm".  This is actually what I wanted, a full date-time stamp.

I'm not getting "relative" results, but partial absolute.  For things from today the threads show the time of last post added, which is fine because I get that today is implied, but for anything older all that's showing is month and day.


For awhile I've been moving towards the shorter display that you're seeing and ignoring the user preference. It's not everywhere yet, but that's the direction. This type of display is more consistent with other sites and is easier to deal with on mobile (because's it's shorter). You can still see the absolute date/time by hovering over.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: Feedback on New Desktop Version:

 

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

> Can you send me some URLs of this happening (either on-list or direct to
> me is fine)?

Go to beta@ in Expanded View and scroll down trying to find a message that /doesn't/ have a word broken across lines. Ok, there are some, but many messages have at least one.


The word wrap issue with Firefox and the new version should be fixed (I was not able to duplicate the problem with Chrome).

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: New search options

 

I did but the window didn't work for me. I'll try again later after taking a cat to the vet. :-) Thanks.

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:15 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:
On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 09:45 am, J_catlady wrote:
There's a magnifying glass but it doesn't seem to allow a search.

Click the magnifying glass search icon. 

It will open up a search window.

Maria



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locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

p.s. If all I care about it testing the new search function, can I do that from test version on a laptop? That's all I really need to know. Thanks. :-)

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
So test version = mobile version right now? It doesn't detect if I'm on a mobile device and switch to another version? Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

As you know, I've been working on a new version of the site that's better suited for mobile browsers. Along with those changes, additional changes and fixes have been made that affect viewing the site on desktop as well. While not perfect (yet!), the new version is much better than the existing version of the site. Also, having two version is confusing for everybody, so I want to switch over to the new version as soon as possible, which I hope to do on Friday. I'd encourage you to play with the new version before then, on either desktop or mobile, and let me know if you have any feedback.

To switch between versions, go to https://groups.io/test

Thanks,
Mark

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locked Re: New search options

Maria
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 09:45 am, J_catlady wrote:
There's a magnifying glass but it doesn't seem to allow a search.

Click the magnifying glass search icon. 

It will open up a search window.

Maria


locked Re: New test/mobile version

 

So test version = mobile version right now? It doesn't detect if I'm on a mobile device and switch to another version? Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2016, at 9:53 AM, Mark Fletcher <markf@corp.groups.io> wrote:

Hi All,

As you know, I've been working on a new version of the site that's better suited for mobile browsers. Along with those changes, additional changes and fixes have been made that affect viewing the site on desktop as well. While not perfect (yet!), the new version is much better than the existing version of the site. Also, having two version is confusing for everybody, so I want to switch over to the new version as soon as possible, which I hope to do on Friday. I'd encourage you to play with the new version before then, on either desktop or mobile, and let me know if you have any feedback.

To switch between versions, go to https://groups.io/test

Thanks,
Mark

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locked New test/mobile version

 

Hi All,

As you know, I've been working on a new version of the site that's better suited for mobile browsers. Along with those changes, additional changes and fixes have been made that affect viewing the site on desktop as well. While not perfect (yet!), the new version is much better than the existing version of the site. Also, having two version is confusing for everybody, so I want to switch over to the new version as soon as possible, which I hope to do on Friday. I'd encourage you to play with the new version before then, on either desktop or mobile, and let me know if you have any feedback.

To switch between versions, go to https://groups.io/test

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: New search options

 

Thanks. I think this is going to be hard on my iPhone, which is still a5S (I'm skipping 6 and 7 on advice and waiting for 8), and I don't have an iPad. But I will soldier on for the cause LOL. :-)

While I'm at it: meanwhile I did go to the test version on my laptop, and I can't search at all from threads view. There's a magnifying glass but it doesn't seem to allow a search. This is probably just in a state of flux so I will ignore...
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locked Re: New search options

Maria
 

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 09:20 am, J_catlady wrote:
...p.s. If that even makes sense. I don't use many mobile apps, as you can probably guess. :-)

The new mobile version isn't an APP. It's mobile web via your mobile browser - just like before but an updated improved version. 

What you are seeing at that test URL that you can toggle to is (i think)  what I see and I'm enrolled in the new desktop / new mobile version.

Try entering that URL in to your iphone's browser and your desktop and I think you will see what I see and the new search options.

I see the check boxes in both the desktop and mobile version because I'm in the new test version.

Maria


locked Re: New search options

 

...p.s. If that even makes sense. I don't use many mobile apps, as you can probably guess. :-)

On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 9:18 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:
Thanks, Mark, I know how to switch to test. But is that the same as mobile, which I think is what you wanted me to test? (You said the new search was in the mobile version.) I was assuming I had to download some app to get the mobile version but was hoping there was a way to get it on my laptop...???
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locked Re: New search options

 

Thanks, Mark, I know how to switch to test. But is that the same as mobile, which I think is what you wanted me to test? (You said the new search was in the mobile version.) I was assuming I had to download some app to get the mobile version but was hoping there was a way to get it on my laptop...???
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locked Re: New search options

 

J,

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 8:37 PM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Do I have to sign my email up to get the test mobile version? I was searching messages (ironically wishing that I could get threads back;) to see how I could test it, and all I found was one post saying I had to sign up for it. ?? Thanks. 


Just go to https://groups.io/test to toggle it. I believe the 'undefined' bug is also fixed in the test version.

Thanks,
Mark