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locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

Duane
 

It's not necessarily one or the other. If this implemented, and made optional as suggested, then fig leafing may be useful on some groups that choose to disable "send to me."

Duane


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Duane
 

I think this clears it up. In order for "always want" to do anything, you'd have to post via gmail, as well as receive via gmail. Posting on the web will always show the post because gmail hasn't seen it before. As far as I know, this setting only applies to gmail, but possibly services using their platform. This was clearly understood back when it was implemented last year, but I can see that there should be a better explanation for new folks on the site.

Duane


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

and by that I mean, efforts by marketing claiming the customers want it. Of course, now I'm a customer. And I don't want it. I'd rather have, first, a really well-functioning product.

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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:59 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

Maria,
If that's what the beta group description says, then my bad. I was actually just about to go look it up. It's not my understanding (having worked as a senior software engineer/designer for 15+ years, before quitting the rat race to become a musician) - it's not my understanding of what beta is. Also, as part of many development teams I would, of course, fight efforts to pull new features out of us when the first release of the product was not even baked yet.

Despite that, I still feel as a matter of principle that 'keep it simple stupid' is a really good motto, beta or otherwise.

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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:53 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

I hear your concerns. Obviously, bug resolution is always a bigger priority than ideas for new features.

That said, the invitation to join @beta states: "Help Us Improve Groups.io. Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group..."

When one is actively testing and using the platform is when one is most likely to encounter issues that need fixing, as well as ideas that may (or may not) be helpful ones to share. There are many ideas on the Trello list. Who knows which ones will take effect and which won't - but I think it's cool people have shared them.

As for the bookmark idea: It's an idea for a feature (one I've seen on other platforms) and as far as I know @beta is an appropriate place to share that.

Maria



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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

Maybe we are more meta than beta :)

BTW I think the bookmark idea would work nicely with your "stuff I've liked idea" which I am pleased to see on the Trello list:

https://groups.io/g/beta/message/6662

Discourse groups those together in the profile area of users and I think that would be cool too.

Maria


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Maria,
If that's what the beta group description says, then my bad. I was actually just about to go look it up. It's not my understanding (having worked as a senior software engineer/designer for 15+ years, before quitting the rat race to become a musician) - it's not my understanding of what beta is. Also, as part of many development teams I would, of course, fight efforts to pull new features out of us when the first release of the product was not even baked yet.

Despite that, I still feel as a matter of principle that 'keep it simple stupid' is a really good motto, beta or otherwise.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:53 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

I hear your concerns. Obviously, bug resolution is always a bigger priority than ideas for new features.

That said, the invitation to join @beta states: "Help Us Improve Groups.io. Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group..."

When one is actively testing and using the platform is when one is most likely to encounter issues that need fixing, as well as ideas that may (or may not) be helpful ones to share. There are many ideas on the Trello list. Who knows which ones will take effect and which won't - but I think it's cool people have shared them.

As for the bookmark idea: It's an idea for a feature (one I've seen on other platforms) and as far as I know @beta is an appropriate place to share that.

Maria


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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

J

I hear your concerns. Obviously, bug resolution is always a bigger priority than ideas for new features.

That said, the invitation to join @beta states: "Help Us Improve Groups.io. Have an idea for a feature? Join the Beta group..."

When one is actively testing and using the platform is when one is most likely to encounter issues that need fixing, as well as ideas that may (or may not) be helpful ones to share. There are many ideas on the Trello list. Who knows which ones will take effect and which won't - but I think it's cool people have shared them.

As for the bookmark idea: It's an idea for a feature (one I've seen on other platforms) and as far as I know @beta is an appropriate place to share that.

Maria


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

 

Brian,

I'd like to "Like" this twice. I don't know what's going on here. The product is not even out of beta yet and feature after new feature is being proposed - chat rooms? bookmarks? and ad infinitum.

There are still bugs, there are still major issues to settle with the existing functionality, let alone adding new things (fig leaf, reply mixups, and one other, can't remember right now what it is).

When I state wishlist items, they are asking for minor enhancements or improvements to existing features, not suggestions for new room additions. I think some of the creativity shown here is boundless and admirable but my feeling is agreement with you that much of it is inappropriate - for now, at least, and also into the future. I love streamlined products that work very well and predictably. Not ones that throw in the kitchen sink (to mix metaphors) and crawling with bugs and "issues."

FWIW. See signature line.

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locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Maria,
It was perfectly clear.

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On Jul 11, 2016, at 9:06 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

J

In case my prior post wasn't totally clear. I am not in favor of this feature- for our group - regardless of if/which limits if any may or may not be linked to it. For the reasons I shared ( as well as others).

Maria


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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 08:43 am, Duane wrote:
I don't understand the question.

 Clearly, you don't.  I said:

  1. I turned on the "All Messages" subscription for the purposes of this test.
  2. I turned on the "always want" feature.
  3. I posted.
  4. I turned off the "always want" feature.
  5. I posted.
  6. What I get in my e-mail is precisely the same whether or not the "always want" feature is on or off.

If the "always want" feature is supposed to be doing something when someone is using Gmail and when "All Messages" is their subscription option, it does not appear to be doing whatever it is supposed to do, since there is zero difference in behaviors as far as e-mail messages go when I'm posting (and that was from the web forum).   If this is something that comes into play only when one is both posting via e-mail and reading via e-mail it would be good to note that in some way, because context is critical.  If it's supposed to come into play always, then it doesn't seem to do anything.

I'm also posting from the test system at the moment and was during the experiment, but this feature isn't new and I wouldn't expect it to behave differently in production versus testing unless a bug of some sort has been introduced.
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locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

Maria
 

J

In case my prior post wasn't totally clear. I am not in favor of this feature- for our group - regardless of if/which limits if any may or may not be linked to it. For the reasons I shared ( as well as others).

Maria


locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 08:45 am, HR Tech wrote:
I think it's enjoyable to stay within the interface and for the interface to give me other ways to interact with it/ use it.

 And that's just fine.

And I think that implementing something like this, while it might be very nice, is something that I'd put way down the list because the mechanisms already exist.

One of the things I've observed here is that there are a lot of people, and I will include you (I'm not trying to be offensive), who are the sorts who promote what many of us who've been in or are in the software business call "feature bloat."   One can implement all sorts of things, and one can replicate functionality at various places, but in the end there are decisions to be made.

I always favor simplicity, and clarity of function, over feature richness.  One need only look at any Microsoft Office program to see where feature-richness run amok gets you.  There are lots of other examples as well.  Change for change's sake is also something to be avoided and once you've got something that's wildly popular and widely-used one should think long and hard about "new and improved."

I don't think that Groups.io is well served by trying to be all things to all people and having "15 thousand knobs and switches" that one can twiddle.  It succeeds at its core functions quite well, and when features asked for are already largely available via other means, and commonly known ones, it should take a really, really strong case to justify their replication here.

One of the things I do like overall about Groups.io is its combination of flexibility with a distinct lack of frippery.  For myself, and others who feel similarly, I will continue to present this case as best I can.
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locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Maria et al,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:59 am, HR Tech wrote:

(I imagine limits would be placed to ensure you can't really harvest emails).

In fact, if one is able and willing to place those "limits" on harvesting emails, then the whole fig-leaf argument goes out the window. If you can place those limits, whatever they're imagined to be, then place the limits and drop the fig leaf.

It's one of the other. You can't argue "we need the fig leaf" and then claim that "limits can be placed" on harvesting emails to avoid the problem with "send to me." It is the same issue. If you can fix one, you can fix the other.  
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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

I feel it would be very pleasant and useful to have a "my bookmarks" page within the groups.io interface. I love staying within the design of a platform for as many needs as I can.

For those on mobile web this would be especially useful. Bookmarks via browser in mobile web are no fun at all and take several steps. Whereas the way i envision a bookmarks button on the groups.io interface would take one click.

It would also mirror a feature I've seen on discourse and big tent as well as on other web forums.

I think it's enjoyable to stay within the interface and for the interface to give me other ways to interact with it/ use it.

Maria


locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Duane
 

I understood your report. I was trying to make clear that it would only effect your own posts via email, and then only if you receive every message individually. If that doesn't answer it, I don't understand the question.

Duane


locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Maria,

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 05:59 am, HR Tech wrote:

(I imagine limits would be placed to ensure you can't really harvest emails).

And that creates yet further complications. 
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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 07:33 am, Duane wrote:
The difference with Gmail will only show up on your own posts, with an individual messages receive setting.

What part of my detailed initial report, describing every possible tweaking of combinations of "All Messages" and "always want" resulting in precisely the same result with regard to my own posts was unclear?

That's the whole reason for my questioning what's happening here.
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locked Re: Possible bug with "I always want copies of my own messages"? #bug

Duane
 

The difference with Gmail will only show up on your own posts, with an individual messages receive setting. All others should work the same regardless of the "always want" setting.

Duane


locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Maria,

It may not be the only or primary reason. But if implemented, 'send to me' does negate the argument in defense of the fig leaf that emails are 'temporary' (the word you used rather than 'fleeting'), whereas the archives are permanent. That was my only point. There may be plenty of other reasons you or other groups would not want the feature. 

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On Jul 11, 2016, at 5:59 AM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 08:50 pm, J_catlady wrote:
That was what I'd predicted. Groups concerned about the fig leaf would want to bypass this. 

That would not be the only or primary concern for our group when it comes to this feature request (I imagine limits would be placed to ensure you can't really harvest emails).

There are other potentially more serious reasons why this simply wouldn't work for our group. Without getting in to specifics they have to do with ownership and usage, as well as participation term, changing these terms retroactively (without the consent of a large number of authors), and being forced to set new terms that we don't even agree with. Similar to the "forwarding" issue, doesn't work for us.

Again, this feature might be great for other groups. Just not for us.

In our group, if one want's to "save" a past post in order to refer to it one can bookmark it in one's browser.  If you want to reply to it, the web interface facilitates that and lets the person receiving your reply know that you "come from" groups.io. In Y! if the member is no longer in the group, the reply gets circled back to the mods.

Separately, I think I suggested bookmarking within the site in another thread (not following) actually bookmarking so that each member can have a page for his/her bookmarks from the archive and ideally could even organize these in a manner they find useful.

Maria



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locked Re: Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Maria,

             Most of this functionality, though not all, is supported by the Bookmarks/Favorites/Reading List or whatever the web browser you're using calls it.  I use bookmarks and create folders for them to separate them out, do these sorts of sorts, etc., in both Firefox and Chrome.

             This is another of those situations where I personally feel that adding functionality that actually exists as a native feature of virtually every web browser to the actual site interface is "reinventing the wheel."
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locked Ability to Bookmark Posts within the Interface

Maria
 

I'd love the option to be able to bookmark a post within the groups.io interface.

I would imagine the "bookmark" to be in the "more" menu of the reply bar.

I would imagine a "Bookmarks" page in the user menu.

I'd love the ability to sort the bookmarks by author, date, or hashtag or even to be able to categorize these posts in a way that feels useful to me.

Also to be able to search from within the bookmarks for specific terms.

Maria