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locked Possible bug - Words in brackets at start of subject line

Jennifer Christian
 

Maybe I found a bug while fiddling with the settings for one of my groups.   

The MAIN group is called Praxis.  I had set up a sub-group called "Members Only".   When emails arrived, the subject line began [MembersOnly] which was too generic.   It wasn't clear the messages were coming from a Praxis-related group.

So I changed the name of the sub-group to "Praxis Members Only" and revised the email address to which messages are sent so it begins with PraxisMembersOnly@......com .  That has worked fine.  I thought that would also change the words in brackets at the start of the subject line.     However, it STILL begins with [MembersOnly] -- no Praxis.  Is this a bug?


Jennifer


locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Shal,

Exactly the same as it would have had I received the message by email when it was first sent. No difference.

It's not the same. Here you go on to state the difference:

Mark may need to put some limits on Send To Me to prevent automated harvesting of the group's message archive

Yes, and even if it's not automated. The argument for the fig leaf was always, "The email is fleeting, but the archive stays there." If the archive suddenly becomes sendable, that argument no longer holds. 
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Photos Wish List

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

Another wish from my group is to have the ability to sort all the albums like we can sort the photos inside an individual album.  Currently the albums are in alphabetical order, we would like the option of sorting them by those who have most recently been updated with new photos added.  As professional long arm quilters, we share our work with others and we all love to see what others are doing.  If a person adds photos but doesn't post a message mentioning it, we miss an opportunity to view some great quilting.

Janice B

New Statler Siblings Group with members from all over the world

I'm in AZ


locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

J,

Of course, that would create a problem with the groups that insist on
the fig leaf for hiding posted email addresses, because the sent email
would drop the fig leaf.
Exactly the same as it would have had I received the message by email when it was first sent. No difference.

That said, Mark may need to put some limits on Send To Me to prevent automated harvesting of the group's message archive. I'm not sure what form those limits might take; one possibility is to allow it only for messages posted since I joined the group (messages I in principle could have had by email).


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

J,

I can definitely see why this would seem desirable at first glance. But
imagine a 100-message long thread with a title match but no message
matches within it. You'd have all 100 messages appearing.
No, of course not.

That's not what happens now - the subject match appears once. I'm not asking for that to change. Rather, I'm asking for that not to change (I don't want the subject match to disappear altogether).


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Of course, that would create a problem with the groups that insist on the fig leaf for hiding posted email addresses, because the sent email would drop the fig leaf. You would probably have to make "send to me" disable-able so that those groups could maintain their (so-called) privacy. 

(At last count, as I recall, Mark had agreed to make the fig leaf an optional setting. At this point it's still universally in effect. I don't know what the plans are at this point.)
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

Great idea.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Shal,

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 02:52 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

in the case of a thread where only the subject had a match I would not want that result to disappear from Messages View

I can definitely see why this would seem desirable at first glance. But imagine a 100-message long thread with a title match but no message matches within it. You'd have all 100 messages appearing.  In a foods group with a thread entitled, "What's your favorite fruit? Mine is kumquats," and 100 responses all of which have to do only with other fruits (no kumquats), I think a search that returns all of those 100 messages if someone in the group searches on "kumquats" is a bad search.

I see why, if you want to include messages with a title match in the message-view search, you'd include just the threads themselves there, as Mark is now doing, rather than all 100 (essentially unmatching) messages.

I would still prefer that those threads to show up only in threads view, along with all of the other threads displayed. I think that would seem logical and reasonable. But I can see an argument for both sides.

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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Transfer Partial List of Messages from Another Groups #suggestion

 

David,

I'm considering transferring my group from Yahoo Groups, but I don't
want to transfer all the messages.
Mark has been willing in the past to do partial copies:
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/7248

However, members of the old group may be interested in saving old
messages that are important to them. I want to let them be able to do
that before I choose to delete the old group. I don't see a way to do
that.
Point them to PG Offline. It is a commercial product but the free trial should be sufficient to that need.
http://www.personalgroupware.com/

Neither do I see a way to perform a bulk deletion from a groups.io
group.
Nope. Here's another person with the same request:
https://groups.io/g/beta/thread/494463


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Download partial message list #suggestion

 

David,

It would be nice to be able to download, for example, messages between
given message numbers. Individual messages are a problem because of the
"View Source" feature. I can't find a way to do this, but it would be a
valuable feature.
That could be handy.

Right now the ability to retrieve a copy of the Messages archive is limited to moderators (it is a tab of the group's Settings page). I assume you are proposing to add some form of messages selection controls to that.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Send To Me (a candidate for the More menu) #suggestion

 

In #9828 David wrote:

As a moderator of groups, I seldom have the need to download all the
messages. It's more often that I need to download a small group of
messages: for example, messages that I missed for one reason or another.
https://groups.io/g/beta/message/9828

For the specific purpose of catching one or a few missed messages I'd like to have a "Send To Me" option on messages in the Messages archive. This would send the message to me as an individual message, exactly as it would have had my subscription been set to Individual and I had not muted that thread (or a hashtag) when the message was first posted. That is, the email to send is neither a reply nor a forward, it is the original message.

The More menu seems a fine place for this.

The idea is that you might find (in a Digest or on site) a message that you don't have in your email, but you want to save it. Or perhaps you want to reply to it but prefer to compose your reply in email rather than on site.

It would also be useful in cases where a message was dropped or bounced by your email service, or where you inadvertently deleted it and can't now undelete it.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Visibility Controls for Profile Fields #suggestion

 

Maria,

True... Perhaps not a necessary choice then? Seems odd that a profile
would be viewable only to the member ...
I'm not talking about the whole profile. My suggestion was to have those privacy controls per profile item.

The key exception would be Display Name. That one needs to be available to all members of all one's groups (at least until such time as there are per-group identifiers). And to everyone if you've set a User Name (I would say that there's no point in setting a User Name if you don't have at least that minimal ID showing).

But one's Photo might be shown or not depending on permissions. Likewise if you set a User Name you might still want to be able to control who can see your About Me, Location, and Website.

Setting a permission of "only me" might be thought of as redundant with simply deleting the info. I included it for completeness, and because sometimes you may want to set something like your About Me to that level of privacy while you're updating it and deciding what it should say.

... on restricted groups that require pre-approval.
Again, Without added complications (like multiple profiles), your profile is the same no matter how many or what type of groups you're in.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

J,

The new idea gets rid of this, since only a threads view search would
show threads, period.
Not my idea.

I still want the subject line matches showing in Messages view.

For example, in the case of a thread where only the subject had a match I would not want that result to disappear from Messages View.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Photos Wish List

weebeequilting <weebee.1@...>
 

Many members of my group would like to be able to set a personal default of having photos always displayed in a specific order--we prefer newest first.  Right now, that is a sorting option when viewing inside an album but it always reverts back to the default setting of sort by name when you leave the album and go to a new album.  Perhaps there is a way to have Groups.io remember the sort last used and automatically sort in that manner each time you view photos until another sort order is chosen by the viewer kind of like how it is with Messages.  We rely heavily on the photos section.


Janice B 

AZ


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 01:14 pm, J_catlady wrote:
There would be zero duplication.

because the criterion for a match in threads view would be "contains a message with a match or title has a match" and each satisfying that would be displayed, once.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Shal and Maria,

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 01:07 pm, Shal Farley wrote:

Right now, the only issue I see with the search results is that I see
duplicate messages if a search term is both in the title/subject of a
thread and in the message content.
Arguably that could be combined to a single result showing the matching term bold in both the Subject and body. Not a big deal though IMO.

This problem disappears if only threads view searches include title matches. The title is a function of a thread, not a message. Message view would display just messages that contain a match. Threads view would display (a) threads that contain a message that contains a match and (b) threads that have a match in the title. There would be zero duplication.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Maria,

Right now, the only issue I see with the search results is that I see
duplicate messages if a search term is both in the title/subject of a
thread and in the message content.
Arguably that could be combined to a single result showing the matching term bold in both the Subject and body. Not a big deal though IMO.

I think if the first message of the thread had not contained the match in its body then I wouldn't combine the result, because the subject match result shows a snippet of the first message in the thread. The same argument, but on the other end of the thread, if Threads View is changed to display a snippet from the most recent message instead. That is, if the subject line match has a different snippet than any of the body matches then I wouldn't combine it.

But, it is important to me (I gave an example in a past post) that
search finds results for me even if the search term is only in the
thread subject.
Agreed. And in the case above it is important that the subject match be "combined" with one of the body matches (showing the search term bold in both the subject and the snippet) rather than merely discarded.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Download partial message list #suggestion

 

Sorry. I'm thinking of two things. I meant "message list".


locked Transfer Partial List of Messages from Another Groups #suggestion

 

I'm considering transferring my group from Yahoo Groups, but I don't want to transfer all the messages. Message before a certain date some years ago are best left out of the new group. However, members of the old group may be interested in saving old messages that are important to them. I want to let them be able to do that before I choose to delete the old group. I don't see a way to do that. Neither do I see a way to perform a bulk deletion from a groups.io group.


locked Re: File Upload Notification?

LeeAnne
 
Edited

Hi Janice,

I need to know when ever a file or a photo is uploaded, not just the ones that members choose (or remember to) notify us about.  Besides even when members use the notify button the notifications just  clog the messages of this Announcement Only message section.  Someday I'd like to have the option to remove the notify button. However that is secondary to monitoring the uploads. It is lucky we don't tend to attract the type of people who would post inappropriate content. 


Shal, thanks for the 2nd and for finding my older request.  I thought I had but clearly I am a useless at searching.  
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-LeeAnne

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