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locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 
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On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 07:41 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
issue that I hadn't thought of, which will probably bug people (and may be bugging J): sometimes there are a lot of threads with a match in the subject, and that pushes the first of the message body matches way down the list. I was visualizing the subject match list being short.

Yes! That's what's bugging me! In the search I did this morning, I was presented with more than a page of threads (which could not be simply clicked away in one click, but rather scanned individually to know when the actual posts started) until I got the first actual post - which was all I wanted to see. And all of them were from May of this year, which was incomprehensible because I knew there were some posts just last night containing the term. (This, by the way, was in a group other than my own.) I was sure there was a bug and was about to report it when I saw this change had been made.

Bottom line, if there is no way that I can *immediately* see *all the most recent posts* that contain the search term, in reverse chrono order (which is my choice), without having to scan through who-knows-how-many relatively ancient threads first, the search is a failure IMO. A total thumbs-down.

That was my number-one, bottom-line request and the only one I felt was necessary: that search returns all the most recent posts containing the term, in reverse chrono order (if that's what I select). That is not happening if all the threads appear first!

I don't see the problem with returning threads only if the search is performed from within threads view. I'd actually like to have the ability to get all the threads as threads that can be acted on (e.g. to merge, close, etc.). But not at the expense of what I consider the number-one essential thing about search.

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J

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locked Re: Preventing Reply to Group/Sender mixups

Maria
 

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 05:55 pm, Shal Farley wrote:
I also prefer the term "Offlist" to "Private", as the word "private" carries a lot of baggage.

I was just on instagram and noticed their mechanism to make a comment not be public (sort of their reply to group equivalent). It's a greyed out arrow button to the left of where you write your comment, that turns green when you click it, and then adds the words " sending as direct message" above the comment area where you type.  This makes the comment go in to an inbox rather than on the group/public comment thread. I had forgotten that there "private" messages are referred to as DM's / direct messages.

I think they are referred to as Direct Messages on twitter and slack too.

Maybe that's useful info.

Maria


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Mark,

- Thread matches are always included, even if there's also a message
match.
Good!

- Thread matches are always grouped at the top, before message matches,
regardless of search ordering.
Also good, except I think I see an issue that I hadn't thought of, which will probably bug people (and may be bugging J): sometimes there are a lot of threads with a match in the subject, and that pushes the first of the message body matches way down the list. I was visualizing the subject match list being short.

I'm not sure what the right solution is. I kind of favor having a checkbox or other control (Filter) to remove the Subject matches from the list. And/Or one to merge them back into the single sort ordering rather than pulled to the top.

Another other approach would be more like what I think I remember from old: an explicit demarcation between the Subject match list and the Body match list, and perhaps show only the first few subject matches (with an expander to see more) so that the body match list doesn't get buried.

- When toggling between Relevance and Date, it should now remember your
last date sort and display that.
Um, sort-of, in a distracting way. In the test version, desktop, I'm seeing the Date arrow flip when I click on Relevance, then flip back when I click on Date. so the effect is correct: the date order is unchanged when I click and click back, but the visual is disconcerting.


Shal
https://groups.io/g/GroupManagersForum


locked Re: Feedback on New Mobile Test Version

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

> - There's a paperclip button in the editor toolbar now to add attachments.
> - I've removed the 'Insert Quoted Message' button and replaced it with a
> button in the editor toolbar.

I think these changes would be welcome also in the Markdown and Plain Text modes, even though those modes don't have any other tools in the toolbar. They feel out of place to me as buttons next to Send, Preview, and Discard.


I've made this change. Now when composing a plain text or Markdown message or reply, there's a toolbar with buttons to add attachments and insert the quoted message (if a reply). Please let me know if you see anything weird.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

There is actually one scenario in which I want to get threads, rather than messages, back from a search: namely, sometimes I want to find all threads (not single messages) involving a certain subject (usually, a cat, so containing that cat name) so that I can merge them. Returning threads would be very useful for that (and possibly other) purposes. (Someone may want to close all threads containing a term, or make them stickies, or otherwise act on them.)

However, even in that scenario, I don't care at all about the thread *title*. Group  members can be really sloppy about their titles and they are most often barely meaningful, at least in my group. I'd want the threads that contain some post that contains the term. And to have threads returned from a search in messages view with "date" chosen as the sort order is extremely frustrating. To find the posts, I have to slog through a bunch of old threads, with dates older (possibly much older) than the newest individual posts containing the term.

I think the the threads could be returned only if the search is done from threads view. I think returning the individual posts in order of date is more important than having threads and messages view return the same results, if those results are going to be "threads first, no matter what."
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: searching activity log for "joined" brings up blank screen #bug

 

Very good point about changing the group's status. 
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J

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It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Bug report: approving members via the web interface using screen readers

 

Hi Hannah,

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 11:06 AM, hannah day <tiggerfan23@...> wrote:

I am submitting a bug report as I suspect something is wrong with approving members via the web interface using a screen reader. In this report, the latest NVDA as of today and Windows 10 was used. The browser used was the latest Firefox as of today.

Please try to duplicate the following.

1. In any of your own groups or groups you moderate and have been given permission to approve/reject new members, click on members, then pending.

2. Try to check (tick) one or more checkboxes (tickboxes). Click action and accept the verification by clicking yes.

3. In my case, the status from "pending" to "approved" never happened.


Unfortunately I'm unable to duplicate this using Firefox, Safari or Chrome. Has anyone else seen this?

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: searching activity log for "joined" brings up blank screen #bug

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 7:35 AM, J_catlady <j.olivia.catlady@...> wrote:

If possible, I would remove "joined" from the search items in a restricted group - or preferably, log it as the time the membership was approved and the person DID actually join. Less importantly, because it causes no confusion, I would also remove "applied for membership" as a search item in a non-restricted group. 

What about when you start a group as restricted and then change it to unrestricted (or vice versa)? You wouldn't be able to access the corresponding activity records that way.

Member approvals/rejections are indeed logged. They're under Moderator Activity. Look for Approved Member and Rejected Member.

Thanks,
Mark


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

Personally, were I in message view, and any messages that contain search terms are included, there is no reason to include threads that contain those messages in the results at all, and if including threads with the search terms in the subject which do not also have messages with the search terms those would most logically be placed at the bottom of the list.

That would be whether sort order is date or relevance.  The likelihood of a thread title ever being the search objective in a messages search is very small.

Even in a threads view I'd separate out threads with the search term only in the subject, but not in any messages, particularly if there's some clear way of marking the returned threads at the end that are "in the subject only" items.  That way I can immediately distinguish one from the other.  There are times when I'm looking for a specific thread, that is, I know what I'm looking for is part of the Subject/Title, while others I know I'm trying to find either a thread or threads where the search terms are in messages.

If the search itself doesn't give me a mechanism for specifying look at subjects, message bodies, or both there should be some way the results are presented in threads view that indicates whether a thread has no messages in it that match.

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Brian

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locked Re: Why is there a 2 beside "New Topic" in my left menu? #bug?

Maria
 

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 03:27 pm, Mark Fletcher wrote:
I have separated out the Drafts into its own menu link. It's only displayed if there are any drafts. Please let me know what you think.
 

It's great. 

Maria


locked Re: Why is there a 2 beside "New Topic" in my left menu? #bug?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

The ticker did increase when the last message was a draft and decrease after being sent.

I also quite like that the Drafts navigation only appears when draft messages are actually present.  Otherwise it's just clutter, but I will add that it's clutter I'd prefer be a permanent fixture rather than going back to the combined New Topic with hidden drafts button.
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Brian

A lot of what appears to be progress is just so much technological rococo.  ~ Bill Gray


locked Re: Why is there a 2 beside "New Topic" in my left menu? #bug?

Brian Vogel <britechguy@...>
 

On Tue, Jul 5, 2016 at 03:30 pm, J_catlady wrote:
just noticed the Drafts tab and am loving it.

Seconded.  I have just created a test draft and this acts precisely as I would expect it to.

This message was also "drafted" and the ticker went up, just as it should as well.  Now lets see if it goes down once I hit the "Send to Group" button in the production system.
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Brian

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locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Another alternative is to do this only if "revelance" view is selected.

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J

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locked Re: Why is there a 2 beside "New Topic" in my left menu? #bug?

 

just noticed the Drafts tab and am loving it.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: Why is there a 2 beside "New Topic" in my left menu? #bug?

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 8:36 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

I've never liked this setup either.  Either the navigation should read "New Topic/Drafts" (way less preferable) or there should be navigation strictly for "New Topic" and another for "Drafts" which shows the number, if greater than zero, of the drafts you have.


I have separated out the Drafts into its own menu link. It's only displayed if there are any drafts. Please let me know what you think.
 

P.S. Does anyone else consider it "something that needs to be fixed" that if a hashtag is a part of a Subject that involves a question, and the question mark is not separated from the hashtag, that the hashtag is not recognized as a hashtag?  This thread being the second example in the last week or two that pops immediately to mind.

I've made that code smarter. It will ignore question marks and exclamation marks at the end of hashtags when parsing subject lines now. 

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Mark,

Would you consider doing the new order only if the search was initiated from threads view? These new results are so inconvenient that they're driving me crazy now. I would like to continue see the most recent posts containing the the search term at the top. That is no longer happening!

Begging here. If you have to put threads at the top, maybe do that only from threads view?

Thanks for your consideration.
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.


locked Re: After making a poll can you be sent back to "messages" #suggestion

 

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 5:42 PM, HR Tech via Groups.io <m.conway11@...> wrote:

I just made a poll in our test group and noticed that after i was done it kept me on the new poll page as if i needed to make another.

Instead, can it send me back to "messages"?


Done!

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: Testing the test version

 

On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Shal Farley <shals2nd@...> wrote:

I've been keeping a browser tab aside for the /test page, using the back button immediately after switching modes (and then refreshing the page so it shows my current mode). I kind of wish it didn't dump me Your Groups page, and refreshed itself instead. 
 
Done.

Thanks,
Mark 


locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

p.s. It was fine before! What happened???
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J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

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locked Re: search within message view returns threads #bug?

 

Ok. So by "thread matches," you mean threads with the term in the title? I have no problem with that because to me, having the term in the title is the same as having it in the post. (And I thought you *already* included all threads that had at least one post containing the term. So this change seems unnecessary?)

What I don't like is the threads with the term in their titles always grouped at the top. This is resulting in very old matches at the top, which is counter-intuitive when I have my sort order set to "date." 

--
J

Messages are the sole opinion of the author. 

It's dumb to buy smart water.

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